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Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 9, 2020 6:10 PM
       Deduct or not? (by Jim in O C [CA]) Oct 9, 2020 6:21 PM
       Deduct or not? (by Jane [TX]) Oct 9, 2020 6:23 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 9, 2020 6:32 PM
       Deduct or not? (by plenty [MO]) Oct 9, 2020 7:41 PM
       Deduct or not? (by NE [PA]) Oct 9, 2020 8:02 PM
       Deduct or not? (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 9, 2020 8:14 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 9, 2020 10:05 PM
       Deduct or not? (by DJ [VA]) Oct 9, 2020 10:15 PM
       Deduct or not? (by DJ [VA]) Oct 9, 2020 10:20 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 9, 2020 11:50 PM
       Deduct or not? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Oct 10, 2020 12:16 AM
       Deduct or not? (by myob [GA]) Oct 10, 2020 6:10 AM
       Deduct or not? (by Steve [MA]) Oct 10, 2020 6:22 AM
       Deduct or not? (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 10, 2020 9:04 AM
       Deduct or not? (by RR78 [VA]) Oct 10, 2020 9:32 AM
       Deduct or not? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Oct 10, 2020 9:35 AM
       Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 10, 2020 12:34 PM
       Deduct or not? (by steve [MA]) Oct 10, 2020 1:14 PM
       Deduct or not? (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 10, 2020 1:20 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 10, 2020 1:45 PM
       Deduct or not? (by plenty [MO]) Oct 10, 2020 1:53 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 10, 2020 2:00 PM
       Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 10, 2020 2:21 PM
       Deduct or not? (by Ken [NY]) Oct 10, 2020 2:49 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 10, 2020 3:27 PM
       Deduct or not? (by plenty [MO]) Oct 10, 2020 7:52 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 10, 2020 8:03 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 10, 2020 8:05 PM
       Deduct or not? (by plenty [MO]) Oct 10, 2020 8:05 PM
       Deduct or not? (by ROCKING BEAR [FL]) Oct 11, 2020 12:38 AM
       Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 12, 2020 7:26 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 12, 2020 8:26 PM
       Deduct or not? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Oct 13, 2020 4:59 PM
       Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 13, 2020 5:04 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 13, 2020 5:19 PM
       Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Oct 13, 2020 5:24 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 13, 2020 5:57 PM
       Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Oct 13, 2020 5:58 PM

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Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 6:10 PM
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Tub was brand new upon tenant move in 6 years ago and T indicated "good" condition on his move in sheet. When he moved out there were rust stains and little scratches on the bottom of tub.

I am planning to add a white non-skid mat that I paid $13 for over that area to try to hide the mess after I paint it. Would it be okay to charge the T's deposit for this mat?

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 6:21 PM
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Six years of rent, I would not nickel and dime for $13 item. Save your deductions for big dollar amounts. --99.23.xxx.x




Deduct or not? (by Jane [TX]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 6:23 PM
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No, it's normal wear and tear after 6 years. --70.119.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 6:32 PM
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Thanks...I knew it was a gray area.

I have some other very small deductions (for repairing a hole in a hollow door). I was trying to make it worth my while to pay the $3 for certified mail and trip to the P.O. by adding on this mat. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 7:41 PM
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Six years the tub shouldn't show wear. Just my 2cents worth. Have your tub guy paint the bottem ,spray on a matt and charge that cost. --172.58.xxx.xx




Deduct or not? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 8:02 PM
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Suck it up this time and control the move in inspection sheet. I mark everything perfect and cliffnote any blemishes. They always sign and move to the next page.

Don't let them knit-pick your unit. Also, put the charges sheet AFTER the move in inspection page in your lease. When I used to have that page 1st, they would go through that unit with a fine tooth comb once we got to the move in inspection page. Now they don't even care. --174.198.x.xx




Deduct or not? (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 8:14 PM
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Exactly as plenty said.

--73.120.xx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 10:05 PM
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NE I understand what you're getting at but he did put down "good" upon move in.

Plenty, thanks, if you think that's a good idea I'll have it reglazed and deduct for that. So far I've never had someone come back and try to contest a deduction I've made from their deposit. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 10:15 PM
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I think it was NEW, the inspection sheet should have said" NEW". If judge sees good, they might say it's normal wear and tear. However, a NEW tub should not be damaged in only 6 years.

I would charge them at least for professional re-glazing, even though that only has a life expectancy of a few years. --70.160.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 10:20 PM
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BTW: My opinion is that those non-skid things just hold germs and VERY quickly look dirty and cheap.

Definitely NOT making you whole for the loss of a new tub. --70.160.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 9, 2020 11:50 PM
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Thanks. I'm glad I posted on here. I'm definitely going to do this. And I do have the installation receipt for the tub from right before tenant moved in in case tenant tries to challenge it. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 12:16 AM
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Once you get the tub reglazed, have your reglazer give you a page with "how to use your reglazed tub". Those no skid mats with suction cups on the bottom are not allowed on reglazed tubs. They suck at the new tub surface and can cause it to not adhere in places. Also there are products not to use on a reglazed tub, etc.

I would and have deducted for improper use of reglazed tubs. No metal cans or bottles should be placed on reglazed surfaces...metal leaves rust, and bottles in the corners leave the area wet and prone to mold.

And "yes" to "NEWLY REGLAZED" on inspection sheet! --75.11.xx.xx




Deduct or not? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 6:10 AM
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If a judge were to see that charge-- your case would be history in my eyes. 6 years? REALLY? 13.00 charge?

COM'ON MAN!

THE tub had rust spots????? Did the tenant cause the rust? CHEAP TUB. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 6:22 AM
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Even if your move in statement of condition stated new tub, I personally wouldn't ding them for a new tub. IMO the most it's worth is maybe $100.00 to clean, seal the rust & touch up the paint. Damage such as this is why inexpensive steel tub really don't work in a rental. When you factor in the cost of removing & replacing a damaged steel tub, it's actually much less expensive to just start with a better grade of tub. --71.174.xxx.xx




Deduct or not? (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 9:04 AM
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myob, would it not be the tenants fault that the tub was scratched and thus caused the rust?

Steve, what type of tub do you recommend and why?

I have a fiberglass/acrylic shower/tub combo in my rental and have not noticed any problems as of yet. It is Lasco brand I believe. --73.120.xx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 9:32 AM
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I find life spans of steel tubs to be hit or miss. Even with a brand name.

Was it because it was a cheaper steel tub, not installed correctly so it flexed and cracked the porcelain. Did the tenant drop something heavy? Who knows.

I myself would feel better if I got a free estimate from a

re glazing company. And ask them if they can make their best guess. And put in writing what caused this.

Chances are they cant tell either. But cant hurt and may get some additional info.

--73.40.xx.xx




Deduct or not? (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 9:35 AM
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We have 4 reglazed tubs at this time, done long ago. Two are at least 20 years old looking as good as when done. The other two look good as well, with no rust, but because directions were not followed after given proper care instructions, only one of them used abrasives to clean which etched the surface, therefore is not as clean...but no rust or chips.

I haven't had to deduct for anything on them. Wish we could all see a pic so we know how bad this really looks.

Like carpet that shows some wear over the years, to be safe, you could amortize the damage...I was told by the reglazing companies that a reglazed tub should last 20 years with regular use...6 years out of 20...charge for that, and you say you would need to just reglaze the bottom which should be cheaper than the whole tub. Get backup data from the reglazer or a couple glazers, stating how long the tub should last under normal use following directions given. --75.11.xx.xx




Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 12:34 PM
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6 years renters & you wanting to collect $13.....? --72.180.xx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by steve [MA]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 1:14 PM
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6X6, I like the Kohler Sterling Vikrell tubs with their surround kits> you can also just get the tub and use cement board & tile for the walls. We set the tub in either expansive foam, plaster or lightweight mortar. --71.174.xxx.xx




Deduct or not? (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 1:20 PM
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Thank you Steve. --73.120.xx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 1:45 PM
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Unfortunately this is the tub the plumber provided 6 years ago before I knew better, to select my own and have it delivered separately. I put a cast iron tub in another one recently instead of this plumber-supplied steel type.

RR78 it is small hailine-like scratches that almost look like straight lines, with rust surrounding them. Doesn't look like cracks. So it doesn't look like something was dropped to cause this, but maybe someone tried to clean the tub improperly and caused this damage. I don't see how just plain water from a shower head could cause this.

The idea of sending photos to a repair guy and getting backup to charge the tenant for the reglaze sounds like a good idea.

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 1:53 PM
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The tub from the plumber supply could possibly be a better tub than over the counter tub. --172.58.x.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 2:00 PM
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Yeah it could be better, that's absolutely true. I have no reason to believe it's a low quality tub. That's why I'm thinking the tenant did something to cause this.

I have one of these enamel tubs in my own home where I live and it doesn't have any of this damage, and I'm pretty sure it is the same tub that was installed 30 years ago when this house was built.

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 2:21 PM
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You collected rents for 6 years. Tub surfaces get scratches. maybe will cost 150 to put a new surface on. expense it & be happy. Ask your renters to refer others to you. What I do & get. you won’t. your post is just nonsensical to me. --107.77.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 2:49 PM
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I agree with PMH,tenant will remember you forever by how you treated him the last time you met or had contact --72.231.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 3:27 PM
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I'm not getting the logic of "he was there for six years so he is not responsible for damage he caused." Where are you coming up with $150 for reglazing? The prices I've seen online so far are higher than that. --99.203.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 7:52 PM
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One year or six doesn't matter to me. Either its housekeeping, damagw or normal wear and tear.. believe me if the tub had started to deteriorate in any way the tenant would have called me asap as they want to keep the property nice. When it's damaged they hide, and dont say anything. When its falling apart they want it fixed. Take pictures. Document and get it repaired. Now i wouldn't suggest you have a new tub installed and bill them that cost but certain restore it best you can. And certainly you should have fiduciary responsibility with the security deposit. So get a bid to replace tub, and bid to restore tub and charge the smaller amount or if its a full new install then depreciate the amount. Hope i explained that right --172.58.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 8:03 PM
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Thank you Plenty, that sounds like a very sensible approach to resolving this situation.

I have a feeling he or one of his guests did damage this because he brought up other issues via text (on the day he moved out) -- the garbage disposal died, etc....in the hopes that he would ne be charged for those problems...but he left out this tub problem and it is very obvious when you look in the tub. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 8:05 PM
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P.S. I do not want to get the tub replaced at this time...I don't think it needs it at this point, and if I do it some of the tiles will get knocked out of the wall and I'll have to deal with that too. I'm just going to look for someone will restore it for a reasonable price. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Oct 10, 2020 8:05 PM
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And while I'm on my rant... if i give you a new house, new tub, new carpet, new appliances, you are renting This New, and thats how it should be taken care of. No excuse to say "but it's a rental house" excuse me that --- insert item here --- is new. If yoy potential renter can't take care of new or know how then dont rent this house. It's my house, repect it, take care if it, and pay my inflated rent that i can ask cause its new and pay the bigget deposit i ask , not cause you can but cause you are responsible. And i will hold you accountable as far as i can according to the lease and the law. I'm not fragile like a flower, but fragile like a bomb! --172.58.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by ROCKING BEAR [FL]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2020 12:38 AM
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I hope you are kidding, just stop now!! --67.233.xx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2020 7:26 PM
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jF: your first post asked about $13. I put out $150 for a DYF. The point is you are missing is the forest for the trees.....nothing personal. I just don’t sweat the small stuff. --107.77.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2020 8:26 PM
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Ok, but this isn't small stuff. The two bids i got to fix this are both around $300. I am going to deduct that off his deposit once work is done. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 4:59 PM
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You are using the word FIX.

Do you fix wear and tear?

It seems at least to me - that you believe this is broken --24.101.xxx.xx




Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 5:04 PM
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the rust stains are bc you have a cheap tub. not sure how “scratches” are not wear & tear on a cheap tub. AGAIN: if you worried about a $300 bill after they have paid you rent for 6 years - a renter who stayed that long could give good references (until nickel & dimes) - then you should consider another line of business. Is LL like you who give the rest of us a bad reputation. --72.180.xx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 5:19 PM
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Are you for real PMH or are you just here to troll?

By the way the refinisher was there today and did the work. He thinks someone damaged the tub by using an abrasive cleaner on it. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 5:24 PM
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obviously I have more experience than you & perhaps you will learn from mine & others experience. good luck to you // --72.180.xx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 5:57 PM
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Ray N Pa:

Yes it is being fixed due to the tenant's negligence. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Deduct or not? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2020 5:58 PM
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Or should I say "was fixed", since it has already been done. And it looks GREAT now -- not the mess I was left upon move out. --72.188.xxx.xxx



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