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Complete Eviction Ban (by WMH [NC]) Oct 4, 2020 3:19 PM
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       Complete Eviction Ban (by 6x6 [TN]) Oct 4, 2020 5:26 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Oct 4, 2020 5:33 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by Richard [MI]) Oct 4, 2020 6:10 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by Del [MD]) Oct 4, 2020 6:58 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by Tonia [RI]) Oct 4, 2020 7:03 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by J [FL]) Oct 4, 2020 7:45 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Oct 4, 2020 9:19 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Oct 4, 2020 9:57 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by Nicole [PA]) Oct 4, 2020 11:43 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Oct 4, 2020 11:56 PM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Oct 5, 2020 6:12 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by PG [SC]) Oct 5, 2020 6:46 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by Bill [KY]) Oct 5, 2020 6:48 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by Lynn [MA]) Oct 5, 2020 7:55 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by WMH [NC]) Oct 5, 2020 8:53 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by S i d [MO]) Oct 5, 2020 9:03 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by RentsDue [MA]) Oct 5, 2020 9:19 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Oct 5, 2020 9:34 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Oct 5, 2020 9:37 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by MikeA [TX]) Oct 5, 2020 9:44 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by J [FL]) Oct 5, 2020 9:44 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Oct 5, 2020 10:12 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Oct 5, 2020 10:34 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Oct 5, 2020 10:41 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by WMH [NC]) Oct 5, 2020 10:46 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Oct 5, 2020 10:48 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by CJ [MO]) Oct 5, 2020 11:01 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 5, 2020 11:27 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by GKARL [PA]) Oct 5, 2020 11:32 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by WMH [NC]) Oct 5, 2020 11:34 AM
       Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Oct 5, 2020 11:35 AM
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       Complete Eviction Ban (by Joe [CA]) Oct 5, 2020 2:30 PM
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       Complete Eviction Ban (by Bill [KY]) Oct 5, 2020 9:22 PM
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Complete Eviction Ban (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 3:19 PM
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w w w .bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-03/house-coronavirus-relief-bill-would-ban-evictions --50.82.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 3:49 PM
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The connection between the two is so obvious. Hang on as we make our final descent. --174.198.xx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 3:55 PM
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Well this is not good...does this have any chance of passing? --72.188.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 3:58 PM
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Not again. If this one passes, there will be a load of Landlords without income. I thought my 7 months of no rent from my evicted gal was terrible. Ruined me almost, (my 2 little rentals pay my mortgage), and had friends bringing me food, etc. I can't imagine a full year MORE of this free housing for whatever reason. --72.199.xx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 4:50 PM
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Agree with NE.

This whole mess just doesn't add up. Doesn't it seem odd how everything is playing out and the timing of it all.

The housing market is definitely being held up fictitiously and has to come crashing down at some point. How much longer can this go on.

Are our assets safe in any form at this point?

--73.120.xx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 5:03 PM
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That's right 6 x 6, it doesn't add up. And the more that you look at, the more does not add up.

There is a housing BOOM right now and houses are flying off the shelves, people are moving all over the place. What's the difference between moving when you're buying a house or moving if you're being evicted when it comes to not spreading the bogeyman germs?

If stopping evictions stops the pandemic, then they should also be stopping house sales. There's absolutely no difference. You are still physically moving the human body from one location to another.

The only difference is the capitol gains tax that pours into Washington as a result of a house sale. No money to be made from an eviction. But a voting base to gain. --70.44.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 5:26 PM
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That is another good point NE.

Property taxes are not forgiven either. It is exactly as you are saying in that any aspect that is making the government money is not being halted or forgiven but other things that cost private owners money are fare game. --73.120.xx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 5:33 PM
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The trouble with the whole thing 6 x 6, is that we really cannot navigate this. Investors by nature are problem solver's. However, there is no end in sight to this madness and there are conflicting rules all the time. We don't know where to turn to solve these new problems.

One day we're doing this, the next day we are doing that. So until they stop shuffling the deck, it's anyone's guess.

Once there is a greenlight on everything, then we can be able to start to digest all of this including the new permanent changes and move forward. --70.44.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 6:10 PM
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NE, A good, rational assessment, I think. Well done. +1 --24.180.xx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Del [MD]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 6:58 PM
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All part of the plan to drive mom and pop landlords under. The big property management companies are waiting like vultures for a big payoff.

I paid off my rental mortgage when this stuff hit --174.252.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Tonia [RI]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 7:03 PM
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This is unsettling news. I agree with Del as I see this happening in my state now. I am considering selling my investment property. So sad as I love being a landlord. --99.203.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 7:45 PM
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Well stated NE. The game is now rigged. And we all know that anyone choosing to live rent free for months on end is just taking advantage and will never come up with that back rent even if the law says they have to.

And what Del said is true. But I don't think tenants are going to like the results when only the big players are landlords...if it comes to that. There was already an article about one of these huge companies (can't remember the name) in the NYT and how they provide terrible service and nickel and dime the tenants.

In ten years we'll be hearing complaints in the media about these big companies and hedge fund landlords "someone has to do something!"

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 9:19 PM
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Again did anyone read the bill? $50B in rental assistance, prohibits foreclosures for non-payment and automatic forbearance. It's better than the current ban and it's keeps people from getting mingling more and getting infected. I know a group of 10 people recently that got the Covid and 2 of them went to the hospital. 20% hospitalization isn't going to work with our current for profit health care system. --50.5.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 9:57 PM
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It doesn't matter what's in the bill. It's not my cost to bear. --70.44.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 11:43 PM
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I thought the eviction and foreclosure bans morphed from folks spreading the germs to the idea that so many lost their jobs ... although you cannot drive down the street anywhere here without seeing help wanted ads and every person you speak to with a job says they are hiring at their places of employment. --72.70.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Oct 4, 2020 11:56 PM
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The eviction and foreclosure bans serve one purpose. To reduce spread of the virus. And NE is wrong. Its everyone's cost to bear but some pay less because they are connected. --50.5.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 6:12 AM
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Simply foolish. --70.44.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 6:46 AM
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My read on the article it is a House bill - Dem backed - Cancel the Rent - Progressive group. If the Senate remains Republican most of the eviction moratoriums should end or start to phase out early 2021.

If the Senate turns Dem and B goes in you will see more and more of the gov providing housing for the poor or any body who fits the Progressive narrative. It's about votes, housing is just vehicle to get the vote. If you were receiving Section 8 or a Rent Voucher who would you vote for? Please note this article is written by a group that probably pushes the left agenda on housing. Just my 2 cents. --184.63.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Bill [KY]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 6:48 AM
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Donít ask questions, NE. Please stop exposing the hypocrisy.

Just wear your mask and everything will be okay.

Now, thatís better. Be a good little sheep.

--75.90.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Lynn [MA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 7:55 AM
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The article said they would give $50 billion in rental assistance which they said was about up to $80 million per state. If I divide $50 billion by 50 states, my 2nd grade math tells me that should be $1 billion per state not $80 million.

A Massachusetts told me that that this state estimates that it would need around $200 million which is more than double of the $80 million.

It's become political. Most people are working again, they are trying to bankrupt us. --66.30.xx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 8:53 AM
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JAC, my places don't HAVE mortgages. You can bet the rental assistance will go to people with mortgages, so the mortgage company gets paid.

Our sole income is rentals. Where in the law does the government have the right to commandeer my property to house others without compensation? So we will go without income so that others can live free?

People are still moving. When I get a vacancy, it's filled immediately. This bill is not to stop people from moving, this bill is to "cancel the rent." --50.82.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 9:03 AM
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I have recently made changes to my written criteria:

1) "No evictions." I used to allow one eviction if it was at least 5 years prior, the judgment had been paid back, and they'd had a solid lease since then.

2) Double security deposits on anyone with more than 2 collection accounts; I don't care how small they are or what kind of debt they are.

Why getting tighter? I can't take the risk. I'd rather sit vacant than let someone tear up my house and not pay rent.

Good job, Gumb'mint. Watching out for the little guy! (*grins) --107.216.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 9:19 AM
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I have always had NO EVICTIONS as rental criteria. I denied someone who had an eviction 15 years ago. They claimed I was denying because of Section 8. They didnít have a chance- ad clearly stated NO EVICTION HISTORY . People donít change. I can guarantee that eviction 15 years ago wasnít the only free ride . Iím not going to spend my time or money trying to convince myself otherwise. --174.192.xx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 9:34 AM
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The bill doesn't say people without mortgages won't get rental assistance. People we are in a public health emergency. If 20% of people are hospitalized the economy will completely tank into meltdown. The stats are there and everyone has to do their part to get through it unless you are part of a group that has influence. Socializing their costs through you is what they do best. --50.5.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 9:37 AM
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If I want to donate to a cause or charity, that is my choice. Doing my part is one thing, being forced to do my part with no compensation and no deadline is entirely different.

It is not my responsibility to give up my income for someone else. --70.44.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 9:44 AM
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JAC, can you explain to me why we need the eviction moratorium? If there is sufficient funding in the bill to pay landlords for the rent that those affected can't pay then you don't need an eviction moratorium.

You and I both know that there isn't enough funding in the bill to address the issue of both those who could pay but didn't and those who really do need it. The $50B was just enough to give the left a deflection. The real problem is when the government tries to slice that onion into so many pieces that it makes everyone cry from the fumes but not enough to affect the flavor of the problem. --64.130.xx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 9:44 AM
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OK I'll admit I didn't actually read the bill. I just reacted to what I saw on here.

But 20% hospitalized? In the nation? I think that would have happened already by now if it was going to happen. People getting evicted isn't going to cause massive outbreaks of COVID. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 10:12 AM
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The eviction ban is to keep people from having to mingle more. If we don't do this it will keep spreading and infecting beyond our capacity to deal with it. The rental housing assistance is completely secondary. If you don't think it is enough you should contact your congressmen and congresswomen. They seem to have no problem giving multi billions of dollars to other corporate interests over and over again. Yes it is not fair, yes it sucks, yet it is what it is....

I know 10 people that got the virus because they didn't want to be seen acknowledging the virus exists. 2 of those 10 people went into the hospital. Are you saying that those 2 people are special and have the option to go to the hospital when you don't or going to the hospital when they shouldn't? I suggest the situation is worse than what you think it is.

Mask up and stay 6ft from people. NE, quit your whining. --50.5.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 10:34 AM
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The eviction moratorium has zero to do with stopping the spread of the virus, because of all the other things that are allowed to happen. Turn off your TV JAC. Think for yourself. --70.44.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 10:41 AM
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Wrong again and again. Limiting the spread by limiting contact. Basic epidemiology and common knowledge since like when people have been gathering in groups. How come you don't know this? --50.5.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 10:46 AM
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JAC, this bill was initially proposed by Ilhan Omar BEFORE Covid but modified afterwards. In fact Kamala Harris also proposed a similar bill in 2018.

Omar's bill called for 10% equity to be awarded to Tenants after some period of time (have no idea how that would work) and that LL would need to pay for child care, financial education etc for Tenants *IF* they accept the government assistance with rent. I have no idea if that is still in the bill, I should go read to find out.

"Cancel The Rent" campaigns started before Covid. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 10:48 AM
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Your perspective on this moratorium is total garbage BS. PERIOD.

If they cared as much about you as they want you to believe, then they would stop house sales as well. Please explain to me the difference? How is it spread more during evictions, but not house sales?

As a matter of fact, house sales will spread it tremendously more. Bankers involved, title companies, appraisers, inspections, closings. Evictions can be done remotely. A lot of housing sale stuff cannot.

You cannot explain that from a scientific standpoint. It is because it's completely political.

Mark twain said it's easier to fool someone than it is to convince him that they have been fooled.

Keep believing that they have your best interest in mind as they tiptoe us in to tyranny. --70.44.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 11:01 AM
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Why do not the government help the tenant to pay rent? The whole problem will be solved if the government help whoever needs the help. --104.186.x.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 11:27 AM
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This will dampen demand for multi-family and investment property. The first thing is how are banks going to respond to financing requests? I got to think they're going to be hesitant to finance any sort of loans for the purchase of multi-family or investment property. On top of that, this will sap demand just generally for investment real estate. I agree that this is will drive out the smaller under capitalized landlords and is very favorable for the big guys. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 11:32 AM
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Section 8 may be the way to go right now. I say that because this move is going to force landlords into a subsidy program anyway. Also I think that you can't protect yourself by buying a class or b class property here. This thing is going to affect all classes of property across the board if it gets passed --172.58.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 11:34 AM
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Here's the details of the original bill:

/ / omar.house.gov/sites/omar.house.gov/files/documents/Omar%20-%20Rent%20%26%20Mortgage%20Cancellation%20Act%20-One%20Pager%20and%20Legislative%20Framework_1.pdf

--50.82.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 11:35 AM
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GLarl, if that truly is the case, my places will become shanties until I am ready to sell them. I will do nothing beyond what is required to pass their inspections. --70.44.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by J [FL]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 11:39 AM
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"The eviction ban is to keep people from having to mingle more. If we don't do this it will keep spreading and infecting beyond our capacity to deal with it."

By "mingle more" I assume you mean when they move back in with mommie and daddie after they get evicted. But my belief is that people who are careless will be spreading it anyway. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Joe [CA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 2:30 PM
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Man the koolaid is strong on this one... --76.105.x.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Joe [CA]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 2:32 PM
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What NE said. It couldn't be any more obvious and transparent. Some people need to turn off CNN and MSDNC --76.105.x.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 7:32 PM
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I concur with NE. The eviction moratorium or any other excuse the left uses to provide housing to those that can't afford it is only a cover. CANCEL THE RENT is the goal. Provide some thing to people that did NOT earn it. Pure entitlement. Section 8 - Rent Vouchers all to put someone in a house they can't afford.

BUT let's look at it another way. If the gov stopped all rent support what would happen to rental rates? Probably go down.

Think about food stamps. Who benefits the most - farmer - grocery or the recipient?

In the end the smart investor, such as the LL on this site, will probably come out ahead.

--99.197.xxx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Bill [KY]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 9:22 PM
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CDC COVID-19 Survival Rates (released Sept 10):

Age 0-19 ó 99.997%

Age 20-49 ó 99.98%

Age 50-69 ó 99.5%

Age 70+ ó 94.6%

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." --75.90.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by J-A-C [OH]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 9:42 PM
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214K deaths in 9 months. Heading into flu season with 410K predicted by Jan 1 with 3K per day in Dec. Your stats mean nothing to these people. --50.5.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Oct 5, 2020 10:16 PM
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JAC, it sure is easy to just keep repeating the progressive talking points over and over again than to do any thinking for yourself I suppose. How can you be so consistently wrong about everything? --73.25.xx.xxx




Complete Eviction Ban (by Bill [KY]) Posted on: Oct 6, 2020 8:27 AM
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JAC, you do realize that your death statistics are disingenuous, no? If you die of a heart attack but just happen to be covid+, you are listed as a Covid death. Címon, surely you are aware of this, no?

--75.90.xxx.xx




Complete Eviction Ban (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Oct 6, 2020 9:03 AM
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At the end of the day and regardless where you stand on C19. The one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

No investor in their right mind will see a benefit from it or connection between the two.

No investor in their right mind would agree to take the hit under these circumstances.

By unjustified force it is happening, not by compliance or willingness. --70.44.xxx.xx



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