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Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 22, 2020 10:42 PM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Nicole [PA]) Sep 22, 2020 11:06 PM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Robert J [CA]) Sep 23, 2020 4:08 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by DJ [VA]) Sep 23, 2020 8:04 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by bet [MA]) Sep 23, 2020 8:08 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by S i d [MO]) Sep 23, 2020 8:25 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 23, 2020 8:56 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by RentsDue [MA]) Sep 23, 2020 9:17 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Scott [IN]) Sep 23, 2020 9:59 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by MikeA [TX]) Sep 23, 2020 10:15 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Busy [WI]) Sep 23, 2020 10:36 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Allym [NJ]) Sep 23, 2020 10:39 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by GKARL [PA]) Sep 23, 2020 12:02 PM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Annie [IN]) Sep 23, 2020 6:23 PM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 23, 2020 10:27 PM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by J [FL]) Sep 24, 2020 6:14 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by J [FL]) Sep 24, 2020 6:44 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 24, 2020 9:18 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by J [FL]) Sep 24, 2020 4:28 PM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 25, 2020 2:53 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 25, 2020 2:55 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Sep 25, 2020 9:12 AM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Jane [TX]) Sep 25, 2020 4:12 PM
       Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Hoosier [IN]) Sep 26, 2020 2:39 PM


Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2020 10:42 PM
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Have any of you ever had a showing turn into a concern for your safety? Or a home visit? Would be interesting to hear about these.

I enjoy showings in person and prescreen interested parties prior to meeting them using facebook, court records, fast people search, google search and anything else I can find on them. Twice surrounding showings I was concerned about my safety. I'm taking measures to keep my current tenants safe by not advertising the address in ads, just the general area and inside pictures but not the outside. With the crop of dicey calls we're getting at this time in history, recently I was reminded I should be concerned about my own safety. Other than a thorough prescreen, are you prepared if a showing goes south? If so, how?

--75.11.xx.xx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2020 11:06 PM
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the chorus of lock boxes will come up. BUT I like personal showings. there is no document or piece of paper that can screen like personal contact. You know, the single mother swears it's just her and her child living there but whose boyfriend tags along and announces "this room is great for a man cave". Out of control kids bouncing off your kitchen cabinets. The smell of smoke on non smokers. And no matter how good they are (and some of them really are), the majority can be seen through in a heart beat if you've been at this for a while.

So to answer your question .... I've never been in a situation that made me uncomfortable. Probably a combination of the prescreening like yours, my area, and a healthy dose of good luck. I rented "city" properties for many years. I then migrated to "city limits" for the majority of my years.

Curious as to what made you not feel safe. --72.70.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 4:08 AM
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This is a serious matter. For myself I studied martial arts, have carried guns in bad areas but have a large pepper spray can and a Taser Dart Stun Gun -- non lethal.

But for people showing units for me, I never allow them to do it by themselves. There is safety in numbers.

One married friend lives in a condo development and owns his unit. His wife became manger of the complex. Over 100 units. One half square block in West Hollywood. The wife made the mistake of showing a unit and allowing people to see her return to her unit. The door was kicked in and she was almost rapped. --47.155.xx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 8:04 AM
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Also:

Tell someone the time you are meeting who & make sure they know where to find the applicant's info. Text / call them at the time you expect to be done.

Let the applicant go in ahead of you. Stay outside and let them look around inside, or at least keep yourself positioned closer to the door - harder with multiple people. --70.160.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 8:08 AM
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we wait outside the building, we dont need to go in. Never put your self in that vulnerable position --73.227.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 8:25 AM
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Dee Ann, not sure how long you've been here, but many of us use lock box showings for the very reason you are discussing.

There is no end of weird people out there today who would just as soon bash your skull in or do other horrific things to a person just to get a few likes on social media. Don't believe me? Do a quick Google search on "violent social media for likes" and read the stories.

Your health and life are MORE IMPORTANT than if someone forgets to wipe their feet. I'll even go far out on a limb and say safety is more important than if you get a squatter. There are ways to minimize the chance of a squatter that are cheap, easy, and highly effective. There is no way to undo a person who decides to do violence against you for a quick thrill.

Now, more than ever, land lords must be careful. Plus, lock boxes make you able to show multiple properties at the same time, any time of the day, without having to coordinate schedules and drive for 30 minutes only to have someone not show up.

There are too many advantages to doing lock box showings to ignore it. Even professional realtors are using that tool now during C-19. Get creative, get bold, and learn a new technique to staying safe, increasing your freedom and getting more profits!

Search "lockbox showing" ("lock box showing") using the magnifying glass tool above to find many tips and tricks from those of us who have successfully used this strategy for years! --107.216.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 8:56 AM
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Nicole I hear you on being able to see through the lies when you meet in person. Prior to meeting prospects I email the lease and application, ask them to review them and have the application ready to hand to me if they want to go forward with the rental process. Comments made during the showing tell me if they've not done their homework; they would know they can't attach shelves to the walls, or stencil the walls! I will spend a great deal of time during a showing if I think the prospect(s) are good for the property. In that time, they begin to feel comfortable, and to my dismay, they burst my bubble.

I was near the end of a 2 hour showing and conversation with a couple who at first seemed ideal when one of them went "out of character". He mentioned something about the last place they lived, but hadn't listed it on the application. Red flags went up as his girlfriend tried to tamper his talk, while I realized I knew the complex he was talking about, 250 miles away. I politely ended our showing, saying I would let them know.

After the showing, I was able to locate and talk to their "previous" landlord. Turns out they were still living there, had cats (I have a no pet policy) and their lease had ended two weeks prior. I followed up with prospects by saying I would not be renting to them and continued to show the open unit. And then the stalking began... constant driving by each night, stopping, and sitting in their car, in front of the unit. They said they were staying with parents 25 minutes away to find a place! Luckily they only knew the address of the rental and not my home. Eventually I rented the unit and nothing more happened. It was unnerving, as just prior to my event, a realtor had been left tied up in a closet at a house she was showing in the area. --75.11.xx.xx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 9:17 AM
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Your concerns are valid. I have had a regretful showing. I do show in person but do not put myself in harm’s way. I don’t usually go inside at a showing. If I do, I stay close to an open door. As you mentioned, I prescreen and know who is coming before they get there. I do carry but it is much smarter to never put yourself in a situation where that is necessary. --174.192.x.xx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Scott [IN]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 9:59 AM
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I still prefer to show houses in person. It works for me, though if you have a LOT of units, lockbox is the way to go. Like others said, stay outside and let them roam the place. After each showing go inside and lock the door behind you. Then verify that the house is secure. I've had roamers leave the back door unlocked, windows unlocked, and unscrew the back porch light just enough that it doesn't come on.

Ask to see the driver's license or state issued photo ID of adults entering your unit. --107.141.xx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 10:15 AM
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We always show the unit in pairs. Usually, my wife sits in the car while I'm inside showing the unit. If she's not available then Mr. Glock goes with me. --64.130.xx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 10:36 AM
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Just wanted to say, I am very glad to see you post again. I was worried about you , dealing with the corona. Very glad you survived. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 10:39 AM
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I can tell by the way the applicant approaches the situation that it could be a problem. I don't who until i have had a couple of conversations, phone or email, with the applicant.

However, the tenants that just left to buy a house were male and female and the male behaved strangely from the first meeting. He got there first and didn't acknowledge me and sat across the street in his car until she got there. I was outside waiting. I waved to him and he pretended he didn't see me. Trust me, this was odd. As a tenant he broke two doors, one by kicking it at the bottom when it got stuck and the other, I'm not sure but it was off the hinges. There were other incidents where he behaved strangely. She has to know he has a problem but some women just want to get married.

That behavior was not enough for me to reject them and there were few applicants at the time. The next one actually seemed scary due to their emails. People can "fake good" and then be horror shows. I had a couple apply that said they had "Pomeranians". My neighbor heard them say their dogs would "destroy the yard" and reported that to me. Turns out they had pitbulls. Thankfully the male, who was very obese, figured he would not fit in the space in the bathroom where the toilet it. That was a close call. --71.104.xx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 12:02 PM
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I only have MFH and someone is generally around. By the time I've prescreened, I'm reasonably comfortable showing but I've not had many during the pandemic era other than for the rooming house. Can't do a lockbox in that situation and I'm not entirely comfortable doing it generally at this point. I prefer to prescreen down to 2 or 3 showings and group them all together. That also addresses the safety issue. --209.122.xx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Annie [IN]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 6:23 PM
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When I have to show a property, I allow the prospect to go inside by themselves. All the paperwork is on the counter, and I stay outside, saying I have to make a business call, or arrange for a relative or friend to call me, or I call a relative or friend, an "ACT" as if it is a business call. Lock up when they leave.

We tried RENTLY for a while. It did work on one property in a larger city, but most of ours are in small towns, and most of the prospects did not seem comfortable with it.

--209.132.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2020 10:27 PM
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Hi Busy...thanks for thinking of me. Hubby and I are fine now.

So in my protective mode for my tenants, I realize I'm not protecting myself. I show while people are living there if their decorating and furniture makes the place show better. In the last case the tenant was breaking the lease and it looked superb with her decorating. So letting someone walk through with someone else's belongings didn't set well with me. Because she had teenage girls I didn't feel it smart to bring someone through with them or the mother due to my past stalking incident.

I usually show the place when no one is home. I text the tenants when I am done, lock up and leave after the prospect has left. Thinking about what I've been doing is scary. I can't pass on in person showings; what I can change is bringing pepper spray and my husband along to wait in the car or alert neighbors when I have a showing. I thought maybe I was being a bit paranoid, but a few of these stories tell me I'm naive, not paranoid.

Am curious about your regretful showing RentsDue. --75.11.xx.xx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 24, 2020 6:14 AM
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I had one where I told the person it wasn't going to work out, there at the showing (mistake on my part) and she got right in my face, shouting insults. It wasn't fear for my life but it was unsettling. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 24, 2020 6:44 AM
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"I was near the end of a 2 hour showing and conversation with a couple who at first seemed ideal when one of them went "out of character"."

Two hours? Personally, I wouldn't do a showing this long with one applicant. I try to schedule a bunch of showings 30 minutes apart so people will move on.

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 24, 2020 9:18 AM
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J, 2 hours sounds crazy right? If I have several prescreened good candidates I do schedule 30-45 minutes apart. Sending documents via email ahead of time has shortened showings. In the business almost 40 years has pinpointed my mistakes. The time I put into prescreening has cut down on the number of showings to one or two parties. One of the two or both want the place by the time I've talked to them-moreso once being shown. So I have plenty of time to spend with one or two prospects. In the case I mention, my husband was there unbeknownst to the couple, giving me the heads up on them from behind a door, and I too was impressed and would have selected them without the long conversation. I couldn't believe my good fortune! Yet they seemed too good to be true, and the more they get comfortable with you the more they spill the beans. With most anyone. My mistakes in the past with "love at first sight (of the applications, not the people) choosing tenants cost me so much more in time not to mention stress, once they moved in. For me, I'd rather take the two hours and avoid my previous mistakes then spend my time fixing them later. There was a period in time where I could tell who I wanted for a tenant after a lengthy phone call. As I'm aging, something is different. I'm making mistakes, people are more cunning, my perception skills are not as sharp...so I'm being more careful. Sounds crazy, but I'm in this business for the social end of it, and happen to make money doing it. From time to time I have a wine and meal with a tenant...or get a text from a guy tenant I've been coaching (in jest) saying "we got engaged this weekend"! It warms my heart. Now I know you all think I'm crazy! It took a long time to turn this business into one I enjoy. --75.11.xx.xx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 24, 2020 4:28 PM
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I wouldn't trust any applicant who wanted to hang out and talk for hours. Normal people have other things to do -- they look at the place for 15 minutes, fill out an application if they are interested. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 25, 2020 2:53 AM
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Dee Ann,

SID beat me to it - NOW MORE THAN EVER you MUST be concerned with your personal safety. DOn't be naive and think everyone is a decent person. The baddies don't wear a sign and some look good, smell good, and are charming.

Right now every loser is chasing every opening.

We just evicted 3 and 2 of those left horrible messes. Not a single LL called for a reference. And their evictions show on court records so HOW!? did the find a new place? They LIED to the next LL.

After years of traditional showings I reversed the procedure and it works BETTER! App approval THEN a showing.

Good curb appeal, yard sign, great pics online (free), a video walkthru on YouTube (free), $25 app fee (brings in THOUSAND$$$), we screen. Of the one or two that look good we give the lockbox code or you could go open the door for them and wait outside. Check the locks and windows after they leave.

We approve 1.5 out of 10 apps. Don't waste your life showing every person cuz MOST will not qualify.

Please note: I am not hanging around for 2 hours while every stranger and homeless person walks by and comes in for a look-see. People LIE LIE LIE at showings. They best liars know how to fool a LL, especially one who brags they can "read" people.

LL are sued over what they SAY so less talk if I am not in the room.

The best liars WANT to meet you and sway you.

If you think meeting the prospect and wondering if he/she is "right for the house" you are discriminating. This could lead to huge fines.

You'll know if they smoke when you do the ONE 2 Minute In Home Visit on the ONE FINAL applicant. Smokers know how to hide the stink with fresh clothes to fool the LL during showings.

Re-think the showing.

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 25, 2020 2:55 AM
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PS Any gun instructor will tell you a gun is useless when someone grabs you from behind. Best is to not be in the room with them.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Dee Ann [WI]) Posted on: Sep 25, 2020 9:12 AM
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Brad,

Thanks for some new ideas! With COVID, we had to change things and filled 4 openings using facebook ads and virtual showings done by the current tenants. Interested prospects emailed their applications (I asked them to leave off sensitive information that I later got over the phone). I thoroughly vetted them...met them when they moved in. Saved me lots of time, easiest rental season ever, and am rethinking everything about my procedure.

Couldn't be more pleased with everyone's answers from this group! I have one late opening due to a broken lease. Took one person in at roommate rate, hoping to find a roommate for her as full house prospects had no income Standby roommate applicants (we had one and a backup one) dropped out due to riots and increasing COVID here.

--75.11.xx.xx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Jane [TX]) Posted on: Sep 25, 2020 4:12 PM
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Great Topic!!! Lots of great input!

I don't put any rent sign in the yard for safety or potential break ins. I will also stop posting address from now on.

Pre-Covid, I did

1) Weekend Open Houses, 2-3 hour window, schedule prospects 15 mins apart.. I let them all know there will be other people touring same day and they need to wait in the car if they arrive early. I usually gather 10-20 showings each open house. Fewer than 5 I do lock box showing, since often less than half show up.

2) I have all doors wide open and sit near the door and let them tour on their own (after reading the post, I think I should have just sit out on the patio)

3) only serious prospects gets the appointment ( pre-screening over the phone, and I get their full name and phone number)

4) those who can't make it gets lock box code, I take down their home address first. Couple tenants showed occasionally, that case I will need a picture of their ID and have tenants ID them first-- I stopped tenant showings a year ago for liability.

------------------------

After Covid-- Virtual Showings only, I just rented 2 houses with no physical showing. New tenants never saw the inside until they moved in since both homes were occupied at the time of marketing.

1) had tenants take videos of very room, for very serious prospects, I allow Facetime or zoom with tenant incase they have further questions (luckily didn't have to do that)

2) lots of photos online

3) Vacant home show on lock box only-- I plan to FaceTime with them during the tour if possible.

4) All prospect must pass pre-screening questionnaire before I respond with any video or lockbox info.

5) lease signing over Facetime.

All the best every one and stay safe! --70.119.xxx.xxx




Showing/Home Visit Safety (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Sep 26, 2020 2:39 PM
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I've never had a fear for safety. But if you want to do personal showings here are some ideas:

1) Tell the person that when they come to the showing, you may have cameras positioned within the house and they may be recorded.

2) Bring a friend with you...strength in numbers.

3) Ask for them to send a photo of their driver's license...they can block out SS# or other private info

4) Have window shades/curtains open

5) Schedule group showings, where there are multiple prospects...sometimes encourages people to act quickly to get application submitted also

6) Ask each person to sign in before entering the house, with name and phone number. Yes, they can forge a fictitious name...

7) Only meet during daylight

8) If you have one particular person you are concerned about, just tell them when they arrive "please park over there, as I'm expecting some other people any minute now"...knowing others might come may deter them

9) Don't argue with them. I had one prospect say to me "this is really nice, we could actually create another bedroom in the basement and we'd all have our own bedrooms". Rather than saying "you can't do that because there is no safety egress"...I just let them talk and made a note to myself. --99.92.xxx.xxx





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