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Nursing Home Evictions (by WL [CA]) Sep 20, 2020 2:08 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Richard [MI]) Sep 20, 2020 2:34 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Allym [NJ]) Sep 20, 2020 3:03 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Robert J [CA]) Sep 20, 2020 4:24 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by WL [CA]) Sep 20, 2020 5:12 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by JAC [OH]) Sep 20, 2020 8:48 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by plenty [MO]) Sep 20, 2020 10:19 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Deck has splinters [MO]) Sep 20, 2020 10:20 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Lana [IN]) Sep 20, 2020 11:35 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by A.R. [ID]) Sep 21, 2020 10:14 AM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Allym [NJ]) Sep 21, 2020 10:46 AM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Bill [KY]) Sep 21, 2020 11:35 AM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by WL [CA]) Sep 21, 2020 12:22 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by JKJ [MA]) Sep 21, 2020 4:08 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by JAC [OH]) Sep 21, 2020 7:12 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 22, 2020 9:35 AM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Allym [NJ]) Sep 22, 2020 10:33 AM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by MikeA [TX]) Sep 22, 2020 4:43 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by JAC [OH]) Sep 22, 2020 7:19 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by JAC [OH]) Sep 22, 2020 7:42 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Sep 22, 2020 9:35 PM
       Nursing Home Evictions (by Lana [IN]) Sep 22, 2020 9:35 PM


Nursing Home Evictions (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2020 2:08 PM
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Across the United States, nursing homes are looking to get rid of unprofitable patients — primarily those who are poor and require extra care — and pouncing on minor outbursts to justify evicting them to emergency rooms or psychiatric hospitals. After the hospitals discharge the patients, often in a matter of hours, the nursing homes refuse them reentry, according to court filings, government-funded watchdogs in 16 states, and more than 60 lawyers, nursing home employees and doctors.

The practice at times violates federal laws that restrict nursing homes from abruptly evicting patients.

Federal law requires nursing homes to follow strict guidelines when they intend to evict someone: They must give 30 days’ notice and come up with a plan to transfer the resident to a facility that can meet his or her needs. If a resident goes to a hospital, the facility must hold the bed for a week.

But nursing homes frequently flout these rules, according to employees and state-funded ombudsmen who help oversee the industry. The New York Times reported in July that nursing homes were evicting an increasing number of low-income — and therefore low-profitability — residents into homeless shelters and run-down motels, apparently in violation of federal law ...

--174.65.x.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2020 2:34 PM
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Just like we, as landlords, do not want tenants that cannot or will not pay and those who make trouble, these nursing homes are doing the same thing to protect their investment and cash flow.

Like us, if their operation is losing money they must stop the losses or go out of business.

What do you suggest to cure this problem?

If you, via the govt, FORCE them to take tenants/people that cause a loss, are you responsible for the loss? For making them whole? How do you do this other than TAKING money from other taxpayers? Is it fair that the reward for making money, organizing your affairs, saving for retirement and having insurance to cover this should be penalized?

SO, what do you propose as an answer to your complaint?

Perhaps, just perhaps, the nursing homes could create a pool of money to buy/operate places that could serve these people who need it. Perhaps by doing this they could spread their costs/losses among a larger group and thus limit the loss of one of them.

There is NO FREE LUNCH! --75.7.xx.xx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2020 3:03 PM
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I have only heard old news about Medicaid patients being put in back hallways and not given the same care as others. Seems like Medicaid needs to be beefed up to keep these folks with a roof over their heads and adequate care. Sounds like we need a Mother Theresa here in the US. She cared for homeless dying people in India. --71.104.xx.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2020 4:24 PM
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It goes something like this:

Once a nursing home guest stays beyond 30 days, then they gain curtain tenancy rights. Can not be just thrown out like the garbage, but need a formal eviction. The "homes" try every which way to skirt these rules.

Here in California, if a nursing home guest runs out of money, there are a dozen Federal Programs that can kick in and help out -- depending on the guest age and "status".

If you, a hard working American runs out of money and are under 62 year of age, then out the back door you go, loaded into a meat wagon and deposited on someone's else's door step.

On the other hand if you are a mooch, never paid taxes and are an illegal immigrant to California, even with a criminal record, then this sanctuary State will find a way to accommodate you by forcing costs onto the Fed's. --47.155.xx.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2020 5:12 PM
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Not just nursing homes - have heard of hospitals having to evict patients who like free food and being waited on hand and foot with free utilities . . . One patient pretended to be sick to get a free "apartment" in the local hospital then had to be evicted after several months . . . --174.65.x.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2020 8:48 PM
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Illegal immigrants are ineligible for most government programs. Your assumptions are faulty. --50.5.xxx.xx




Nursing Home Evictions (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2020 10:19 PM
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Had simular experience and our bill was paid, to the tune of $8k a month. The care facility sent motherinlaw to the hospital. Told the family she is in ambulance headed to "A" hospital, we drive there, they don't have her, call care facility,,, they say oh she is at "B" hospital,,, we go there and find her. At midnight they release her, we drive her back to Care Facility, they will not let her in!! We had to host her for the night, with no extra cloths, no medicines, and only love for directions! We did it of course, but geez what they heck is goin on,,, she lives at the Care facility address and that is where HOME Is for her and all her help. That is what is paid for. We had to go up the food chain to get her back into her own room/residency. This was four years ago. Not sure much has changed or what the issue was. What do people do who do not have family or kids or resources to deal with such. She was not a difficult to care for person either, we were totally confused. --99.203.xx.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Deck has splinters [MO]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2020 10:20 PM
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do you do anything special ?? shouldn't a renter who gets a splinter once LEARN TO WEAR SHOES!? Why are they complaining to me. It's wood, it's a deck, wear your shoes! Just venting. Carry on. --99.203.xx.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2020 11:35 PM
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I spent 40 years working with nursing homes, admitting and doing ongoing care. Yes, there are patients who get evicted from every nursing home. Usually a combination of very bad behavior and feces. Patients on Medicaid are at the bottom, as Medicaid does not even cover overhead. Some nursing homes largely cater to people who negotiate placing much of their sometimes substantial assets with a home in exchange for care to the end of life. These homes may also take a per cent as indigent patients on Medicaid. Hospital and nursing home social workers are some of the hardest working people I have ever worked with. The ones I have known try their best to get everyone a place to go. They facilitate getting indigent patients on Medicaid.

The problem is Wall Street ethics meeting medical care. In my 40 years I went from a self employed Family Doctor to an employed Hospitalist. I was hospital employed at the end and the hospital I first worked at was taken over by a huge multi hospital corporation and my second hospital was the VA. I have placed nursing home patients by the thousands.

You can look at nursing home residents as tenants, but I have always viewed then as patients. As patients, I and nursing homes have a duty to provide care. Health Care comes with an ethical standard of behavior. You do not abandon a patient. Wall Street firms managing massive hospital corporations have only one ethic...profit.

Profit has overtaken ethics in every hospital corporation I have dealt with. Nursing Home Corporations are no better.

40 years is long enough to perceive how the business of Medicine has managed to destroy the Profession of Medicine.

--216.23.xxx.xx




Nursing Home Evictions (by A.R. [ID]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2020 10:14 AM
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Wow - Lana - you have tremendous experience and insight. What you have described and explained is exactly how I’ve come to believe how it all works. Another subject is big pharma- talking about profit. Seems like everyone of those thousands of t.v. drug ads say “tell your doctor.....” Patients told to tell doctors to sell big for pharma. Creeps me out! --160.3.xx.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2020 10:46 AM
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Somebody has to let our Pres know about this. Can I copy your post Lana and put it where someone can find it? Seems like people who put their hospital care business on the stock market are making it a bigger deal than it has to be. No personal oversight. So YOU are a Mother Theresa, Lana. --71.104.xx.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Bill [KY]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2020 11:35 AM
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Lana’s experience is correct, however, healthcare is a business. The same basic business principles that keep small businesses ‘in business’ apply to your medical providers office, the hospital, the surgery centers, etc. Like your Rental business, they too must profit. Fail to make a profit, cease to exist. Simple really.

I too work in healthcare. I respect the skill set of our bright physicians but stop short of praising them as mother Theresa! --107.77.xxx.x




Nursing Home Evictions (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2020 12:22 PM
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Interesting to compare the US socialized medical system to the Mexican system - in Mexico, when you go to the hospital, before the doctor sees you, the nurse takes you to the cashier where you prepay for the hospital care in advance. If you are in an accident and unconscious, the hospital cares for you then security guards keep you from leaving until your family pays the hospital. Many stories about Americans who have accidents in Mexico then discover that Mexico is very strict about people paying their bills - car accident with no insurance? You go to jail to make sure you are around to pay the damages . . . --174.65.x.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2020 4:08 PM
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This happened with my father-in-law. He was diagnosed with early onset Alzheimer’s at 53. We had him move in with us, he was with us about a year, raised his voice to me a couple times but nothing major. When he got aggressive with my wife and kids we had to get him into an assisted living home that specialized in memory care. He private paid and everything was fine. This was after all what they dealt with being a memory care facility, nothing they haven’t seen before they told us. All was good until his savings ran out, then Medicare paid and they moved him to a shared room. Then we got a call 1 day that he was transferred to the ER because of an outburst, (the same type outbursts that they told us were not an issue when he was privately paying, he was yelling and not wanting to do something) and he could not come back. At the hospital he became very agitated, understandably. He had an unknown allergy to the medicine the Dr’s in the ER gave him to sedate him and he passed away 4 days later at 59. This sort of thing with nursing homes kicking out low profit patients is nothing new from what I’ve seen. --70.20.xx.xx




Nursing Home Evictions (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Sep 21, 2020 7:12 PM
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You know just maybe a comprehensive health plan for the US would prevent this nonsense. I don't see news stories about people being evicted from Canadian nursing home... well because it doesn't happen. --50.5.xxx.xx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2020 9:35 AM
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Never heard of anyone getting evicted from a nursing home here. When income from pension is insufficient to cover monthly costs for service there are government programs people can apply for that happened when it transferred from provincial to federal. We have universal medical care here which is not free as there higher taxes to pay for. Lottery winnings are tax free. There is a 13 per cent HST sales tax in Ontario along with natural gas, electricity is taxed as well along with taxes on every litre of gasoline where a litre of gasoline varies around a dollar a litre. During the Covid 19 crisis there were a lot deaths in long care homes where at one point the military was called in. Now the amount of people with the Covid 19 crisis is low along with few deaths on and off. There are places for tests. Wearing masks is required in all indoor places. Now after crisis people who work at long care can not work part time at different long care homes where higher wages will be required. --147.194.xxx.xx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2020 10:33 AM
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Bill, Lana helped dying people like Mother Theresa did in India. Mother Theresa, a canonized saint now, would get them off the streets and bring them to their hospital and care for them until they passed. I would hesitate to call physicians who do not work directly with dying people, Mother Theresa, as that does not apply. Understand now? She said "I have placed nursing home patients by the thousands." --71.104.xx.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2020 4:43 PM
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JAC, you should do some digging into socialized healthcare. I'll give you a start with this recent report from the Canadian military that was sent in as a stop-gap to the Pandemic. It's from politico, a left leaning organization so I doubt that they are swaying their reporting to make a political statement against socialized medicine. Pick your poison, socialized system that lacks resources for basic patient care or what we have now. Neither is without it's problems.

www.politico.com/news/2020/05/26/canadian-military-details-horrific-conditions-in-nursing-homes-battling-covid-19-282605 --64.130.xx.xxx




Nursing Home Evictions (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2020 7:19 PM
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I know you have been programmed by your faux and tube nonsense but I know many Canadians for up to 20 years. I ask them on a regular basis. All of them have stated they have no issues getting health care in Canada, ever. All of them state they would never want a health care system like ours. Yes their taxes are higher but their health care costs are much lower and it is not any worse than ours. All that aside, the current rate of premium rise

and deductible cost year over year is unsustainable. Unless salaries rise significantly no one below the $60K threshold will be able to afford the $10K per year which will only get worse. Health care policy by presidential Executive orders is stupid and you and I pay for it. PS I bet there are more nursing homes in the US falling apart over Covid than anywhere else. --50.5.xxx.xx




Nursing Home Evictions (by JAC [OH]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2020 7:42 PM
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freopp.org/the-covid-19-nursing-home-crisis-by-the-numbers-3a47433c3f70

At the time of the politico article (may) about 6600 people had died in all of Canada for Covid. The freopp article was written in the same month and 12,500 people had died of Covid in nursing homes in TX. That was 42% of the overall deaths for Covid in TX at that time. I think Canadas numbers speak for themselves. --50.5.xxx.xx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2020 9:35 PM
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The problems in the nursing homes were due to staff working part time at a few different nursing homes where the pandemic spread. The military was called in to run the nursing homes until staff was available. Now part time workers will not be allowed where full time staff only. During the pandemic the hospitals were at limits. Between Europe and other countries it between to systems where not as socialist here as Europe then not as right as other countries. No matter income or working or not everyone here gets basic medical care along with more specialized treatment like surgery, ICU and so on. Modern medicine is expensive where health is essential. Remember watching Fox news who came up here to trash the health care system here where never the majority people here if would not trade for another system. Some countries have two tier health care system of public and private where people can elect to go to private insurance. Some feel they can get better treatment with a private plan. --147.194.xxx.xx




Nursing Home Evictions (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2020 9:35 PM
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Ally no Mother Theresa here, sinning is too much fun and I can be real mean. You are welcome to my words.

Mother Theresa made it clear that prayer came before patients. She would leave the patient no matter how bad off they were when it was time for God.

Bill is right, Medicine is a business. As an FP(Family Physician) for 17 years we battled hard to keep overhead expenses below 75%, we battled insurance companies constantly. Health insurance companies have no morals at all and they do business like no other type of business would ever try to get away with. Things like changing mailing addresses every 4 weeks so claim forms always arrive at the incorrect address.

Big pharma is true evil as well. Purdue Pharma knew exactly what they were doing when they brought OxyContin to the market in 1991. The three Sackler brothers were all experts in addiction medicine and they made their first fortune on the addictiveness of Valium. 30 years later the death toll staggers. The cost of basically cheap drugs staggers the imagination too. Novulin Insulin being under $10 a vial in 2000 and now nearly $200. Yikes!

This year Marketwatch online published an article in Aug 2020 entitled "Private-Equity takeover of Nursing Homes has reduced quality of care at critical moment"

It says:

"In particular, private-equity ownership of nursing homes across the U.S. has coincided with cost cutting, declining quality of care and increasing violations discovered in government inspections."

The same corporate takeover has caught up hospitals, physician practices, and nursing homes. Massive corporations control hundreds and thousands of facilities. Staff is replaced with new graduates at lower pay(think cute young nurses versus seasoned warriors),staffing is cut, replacement of doctors with extenders, slashing inventory to the bone(not as if a pandemic will come along), forcing expensive Electronic Health Record systems with glitches galore into the exam room(does your doctor or PA or NP have to type all the time?). But, PROFITS ARE UP!

This is a large part of why Hospitals and Nursing homes are dumping people. Profit is valued over ethical duties and they are failing to meet industry standards without any repercussions, and the other part is the prevalence of homelessness, alcohol dependence, drug addiction, mental illness, dementia.

There are people nobody wants.

--216.23.xxx.xx





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