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How long with no income? (by Sisco [MO]) Aug 8, 2020 12:07 PM
       How long with no income? (by JR [ME]) Aug 8, 2020 12:08 PM
       How long with no income? (by Sisco [MO]) Aug 8, 2020 12:08 PM
       How long with no income? (by Deanna [TX]) Aug 8, 2020 12:30 PM
       How long with no income? (by Richard [MI]) Aug 8, 2020 12:32 PM
       How long with no income? (by NE [PA]) Aug 8, 2020 12:33 PM
       How long with no income? (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 8, 2020 12:58 PM
       How long with no income? (by laura [MD]) Aug 8, 2020 1:27 PM
       How long with no income? (by Dave [MO]) Aug 8, 2020 1:32 PM
       How long with no income? (by Robert J [CA]) Aug 8, 2020 1:33 PM
       How long with no income? (by Deanna [TX]) Aug 8, 2020 1:50 PM
       How long with no income? (by JB [OR]) Aug 8, 2020 5:00 PM
       How long with no income? (by MikeA [TX]) Aug 8, 2020 5:24 PM
       How long with no income? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Aug 8, 2020 7:09 PM
       How long with no income? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Aug 9, 2020 1:20 AM
       How long with no income? (by LisaFL [FL]) Aug 9, 2020 9:13 AM
       How long with no income? (by plenty [MO]) Aug 9, 2020 9:45 AM
       How long with no income? (by Pmh [TX]) Aug 10, 2020 5:50 PM


How long with no income? (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 12:07 PM
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How long could you/ would you hold onto your properties with zero income? --70.158.xxx.xx




How long with no income? (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 12:08 PM
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Until after my death. --174.196.xxx.xxx




How long with no income? (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 12:08 PM
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Clarification: zero rent income from said properties. --67.43.xxx.xxx




How long with no income? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 12:30 PM
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Years. But the yard care bill would be discouraging. --96.46.xxx.xx




How long with no income? (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 12:32 PM
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There's a lot of other info to consider, especially as relates to our individual situations. I can give mine, but it will be different from each other person.

I'm retired. I've got enough to last the rest of my life.

My rental properties are completely free and clear. I can get by even if I don't get a penny from any property.

So my problems with tenants not paying is not as serious as others who may have mortgages, high taxes, etc.

They could easily be in serious trouble.

If I was in that situation, I'd start selling immediately. Create a list of the properties and rank them. Get rid of the worst first and then on down the line.

Who can guarantee anything in these times.

If you get to a balanced,manageable position, you can always rebuild, be it in this country or another one. Be it in single family homes, multi's, or something else. Opportunity always presents itself. One year you are the owner mobile homes and houses in the midwest. The next year you are a Bulgarian timber baron or own a coconut plantation in central America or property in Panama, Belize, or Japan.

If things get bad in one place, opportunity opens in another. --97.95.x.xxx




How long with no income? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 12:33 PM
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A few for many many years. Some until I was forced to sell. I would then list the underperforming ones to sell as soon as possible in order to save the better ones.

Of course this is hypothetical. If I/We lost all of the income, on all our properties with no end in sight, we as a nation will have more to worry about than collecting rent on our properties. We're talking apocalypse scenario.

--174.198.xx.xxx




How long with no income? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 12:58 PM
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I think most of us Sisco have reserves to cover expenses & mortgages. the problem is for those LL in cities & states where arbitrary rent moratoriums have been declared & continued extensors. sure if that is constitutional - is “taking” by any interpretation. --107.85.xxx.xx




How long with no income? (by laura [MD]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 1:27 PM
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Decades....but I have had them a long time. If I were a newer landlord an eviction moratorium could end my landlording.

To me this eviction moratorium is poorly thought out. I suspect lots of landlords are going to exit the business because they now know they can be required to provide free housing. No one buys a rental property with the goal or expectation of providing free housing. Once landlords exit, the rental supply decreases and prices will increase. The old supply and demand scenario. The impact of this eviction moratorium will be a dramatic decrease in affordable housing. Who will be hurt the most by that consequence. --108.56.xxx.xx




How long with no income? (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 1:32 PM
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A year maybe? But one thing I did learn from the pandemic is according to the government , people are about 2 weeks away from bankruptcy. --174.234.x.xxx




How long with no income? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 1:33 PM
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I purchased a foreclosure from the Bank as an REO. It had 10 years worth of neglect, vandalism, and 2 years with the tenant paying no rents to the previous owner and the Bank (loan holder). Took me 9 months to Evict and fix up everything from the foundation to the roof. Then re-rent.

My gift for providing low cost housing was an audit from the IRS. I had to fight them too with tooth and nails...

Another property I purchased from a owner who never ran a credit check and rented to illegals. The apartment property had 25% vacancy, 25% of the tenants paying no rent and the balance of 50% paid in installments. That building took me 5 months to evict half of the tenants and 2 months to fix up the place. So about 50% of the rent from day one...

This is why I got those deals. No one in their right mind would buy a sinking ship....But those 2 buildings made me 1 of my millions in profits after 8-9 years.... --47.155.xx.xxx




How long with no income? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 1:50 PM
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Ah! I was thinking vacant houses, like if we had 100% vacancy and couldn't get things rented, and just had to worry about yards 15 times a year, and taxes once a year, and no insurance for empty houses.

Lived-in houses... no. I wouldn't keep lived-in houses that weren't generating income. The income is what helps me grow, and helps me maintain what I already have. I wouldn't be interested in growing if there was no financial benefit to growth, and I wouldn't be interested in maintaining if I was already providing someone with free housing. A good person with their life together would pay; a person who can't keep their problems to themselves, and lets their problems affect me, needs to find elsewhere to live.

I don't have any debt, so I'm fortunate that I don't have to worry about someone taking my stuff away from me. But each house represents $x of my personal money that's invested in it, with the expectation of an annual return of $y, and the hassle of running the biz is what's necessary to make the math happen in reality. If I get all the hassle, but none of the return, I might as well sell and stick it in the bank for 1% interest. I much prefer the 10-15% I get each year from the rentals... but I wouldn't have to worry about all the roofs, major systems, minor upkeep, and routine maintenance...

So could I? Yes, in theory. Would I? Absolutely not, especially once those major systems started needing attention. --96.46.xxx.xx




How long with no income? (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 5:00 PM
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It's hard to digest that question. Guess I'd look to sell.

I think Laura(MD) nailed the problem. All the do-gooders who think they are saving everyone have no idea how badly this will impact available affordable housing down the road a few months/years.

We went through the same thing in 2004-05-06 when politicians stepped in and said everyone should own a house. The banks started lending money to anyone that could walk into a bank. No doc loans, loans larger than the home's value, variable rate loans, negative amortization loans, etc.

Never did they stop to think what might happen if a recession hits? What if these folks who are living on the edge with no savings and no financial sense lose their jobs?

So, as we all know, those folks got slaughtered. Most lost their homes and were many times worse off because those politicians wanted them to "own their own homes." Many of those folks have never recovered and are among the homeless folks suffering today.

When will we ever learn to stop meddling? Let the free market sort it out and don't force folks into a role they're not suited for. --73.25.xx.xxx




How long with no income? (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 5:24 PM
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The problem with the current situation is that there isn't an end-date. It's like an oil spill, it keeps flowing down hill until it reaches the bottom. Unfortunately we can only see about 1-2 months of the slope and the bottom is not in sight.

Mine are unhindered and I have other income streams that I could live on so not an issue with keeping them. However, if you told me that I was not going to get rent from them for the next 18 months I would sell and invest elsewhere. Unfortunately, the can only gets kicked down the road a month or two. Who knows when it ends. When the vaccine is available? When most have been given the vaccine? When the Socialists are booted? Who knows. --64.130.xx.xxx




How long with no income? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 7:09 PM
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And like they're proposing in Barcelona, it could get worse. The Barcelona government is demanding that landlords fill all vacant properties or the government will seize vacant apartments from the owners and pay the owner half the market value then turn them into public housing.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-16/to-fill-vacant-units-barcelona-seizes-apartments

If things like that started happening here, and the government started to rapidly approach socialism then I'd start selling everything. Maybe buy in another country. --108.69.xxx.xxx




How long with no income? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Aug 9, 2020 1:20 AM
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Sisco,

Have you been looking at my roster of props I boight and have not yet rehabbed them?

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




How long with no income? (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Aug 9, 2020 9:13 AM
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Mine are all paid for. I refuse to spend my savings to keep them long term if they don’t produce income so like Mike, I’d sell them. I didn’t invest in them to become a free housing provider at the risk of my own savings.

My market is hot, as they become vacant, I am selling. Don’t want to deal with new unknown tenants. All mine have always paid- I’m down 10. Just 22 more to go. --216.186.xxx.xx




How long with no income? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Aug 9, 2020 9:45 AM
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Could - until death.

Would - not do that. --99.203.xx.xxx




How long with no income? (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Aug 10, 2020 5:50 PM
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Lisa: that makes little sense to me. I buy for long term roi....there will be hiccups. you are exactly the type of owner I will be buying from (again) so sell...lol... --107.77.xxx.xxx





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