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NYC is Toast (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 6, 2020 4:56 PM
       NYC is Toast (by Ken [NY]) Aug 6, 2020 5:06 PM
       NYC is Toast (by WL [CA]) Aug 6, 2020 5:10 PM
       NYC is Toast (by Robert J [CA]) Aug 6, 2020 5:22 PM
       NYC is Toast (by GKARL [PA]) Aug 6, 2020 5:36 PM
       NYC is Toast (by NE [PA]) Aug 6, 2020 6:06 PM
       NYC is Toast (by J [FL]) Aug 6, 2020 7:41 PM
       NYC is Toast (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Aug 6, 2020 8:11 PM
       NYC is Toast (by Still Learning [NH]) Aug 6, 2020 8:18 PM
       NYC is Toast (by small potatoes [NY]) Aug 7, 2020 12:48 AM
       NYC is Toast (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Aug 7, 2020 12:01 PM
       NYC is Toast (by Libi [NY]) Aug 7, 2020 10:52 PM
       NYC is Toast (by Wilma [PA]) Aug 8, 2020 8:46 PM


NYC is Toast (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2020 4:56 PM
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My area is about 80 miles from Manhattan and is a beneficiary of this flight from density. The market is hot as hell here. We've had in migration from NY and NJ for years and that's simply accelerated. I have a place I'm going to sell right into this flight. It won't last a day once I list.

Manhattan apartment deals plunge 57%, suburban real estate surges

Apartment contracts in Manhattan fell by more than half in July, while deals in many New York suburbs more than doubled, showing a continued flight from the city over the summer.

The number of signed contracts for co-ops and condos in Manhattan — the best real-time measure of activity — dropped 57% in July compared with a year ago, according to a report from Miller Samuel and Douglas Elliman. The high-end of the market is getting especially hard hit, with co-ops priced at $4 million to $10 million down over 75%.

As deals dry up, the number of apartments listed for sale is surging. New apartment listings jumped by 8% in July compared with a year ago. The number of unsold apartments is now at the highest level in almost a decade, according to Jonathan Miller, CEO of Miller Samuel. At the current sales rate, there is more than a 17-month supply of apartments for sale — more than twice the typical Manhattan average of about eight month

Miller said the lockdown in the city — which prevented brokers from showing apartments until late June — combined with hundreds of thousands of affluent New Yorkers fleeing the city for the suburbs during the coronavirus pandemic made for a tough July, and potentially the summer.

“The city is less of an anchor now,” he said. “It’s going to take longer for the city to recover than the suburbs.”

Suburbs around New York had a banner July, as New Yorkers purchased second homes for escape — and possibly a new primary residence. Sales contracts in the Hamptons more than doubled in July, with 267 deals. Signed contracts in Westchester County, New York, also more than doubled to 987 deals.

Connecticut has been an especially large beneficiary of New York City’s troubles. There were more than 1,200 signed contracts in July in Fairfield County, Connecticut, while Greenwich saw an increase of 72%.

“Anything within a two-hour radius of the city is as busy as it’s ever been,” said Scott Durkin, president and chief operating officer of Douglas Elliman. “There’s just this fear of density right now.”

Still, New York real estate brokers say the city will recover quickly, once there is a vaccine and companies start bringing workers back to the office. They point to Sept. 11 and the Great Recession as proof that the city always rebounds. And they say the deep discounts that many buyers are hoping for aren’t likely to materialize since sellers have so far balked at big price cuts.

“We had price cuts before Covid,” Durkin said. “With interest rates so low, prices may not be as negotiable as some buyers might hope. But there will be people in different situations, and some might need to sell.”

One segment that will likely have to cut prices is new condo developments. Brokers say new developments, which listed with sky-high prices during the past few years, will have to adjust to the more competitive market.

On Wednesday, the Getty Residences — a glamorous new condo building in downtown Manhattan designed by Peter Marino — announced price cuts of more than 50% on some units. One full-floor unit, with more than 3,800 square feet, had once been offered for over $20 million and is now listed for $10.5 million. The penthouse of the building was sold in 2018 for $59 million to hedge fund billionaire Robert Smith

cnbc.com/2020/08/06/manhattan-apartment-deals-plunge-57percent-suburban-real-estate-surges.html

--70.158.xxx.xx




NYC is Toast (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2020 5:06 PM
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I am 2 1/2 hours north and we are hot like never before,i have a rehab being finished in the next couple weeks,i started this house before covid and expected to get $130000 tops,now i am thinking $150000 is a reasonable expectation --104.229.xxx.xxx




NYC is Toast (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2020 5:10 PM
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All the liberal rent control lovers are moving out of the disaster zone they voted for into your neighborhood. What could go wrong? --201.140.xxx.xx




NYC is Toast (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2020 5:22 PM
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I heard about a 35M Upper East Side Flat now listing at 17M. I told my brother in Manhattan, but that's too rich for his blood.... --47.155.xx.xxx




NYC is Toast (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2020 5:36 PM
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Manhattan is the playground of the rich. Seventeen million is no big deal for many of these guys, but there's only a small number of these folks and since that's the case, the high end collapses quickly when they decide not to buy. Prices could drop 90 percent and still be out of my league. --172.58.xxx.xx




NYC is Toast (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2020 6:06 PM
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If you list, hang a couple days before you accept an offer. You may get multiple ones. My partner just had 11 showings and 2 offers in two days.

Conventional with money down is big right now, at least in my area. I would not mess around with any federally back mortgages or anything like that at this point. --174.249.xx.xxx




NYC is Toast (by J [FL]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2020 7:41 PM
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I used to live there and it's so sad to see it go down...but it may be to your benefit GKARL. --72.188.xxx.xxx




NYC is Toast (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2020 8:11 PM
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G,

Argh! That means more liberals who voted for those silly lawmakers will be moving to the midwest. We're getting from both sides - west coast now east coast!

Whenever we try to hold taxes at bay people from these areas proclaim "That's cheap! I paid much higher taxes in Cali."

Might not call it a DROP, maybe call it "Back to normal".

BRAd --73.102.xxx.xxx




NYC is Toast (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Aug 6, 2020 8:18 PM
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Real Estate is on the rise here too. All the just out of college kids we know living in NY in March moved back into their parent’s house, are not renewing leases since many are permanently work from home or at least for long enough to find another job that is work from home or local to here. Space, outdoors, ocean and family win over city living at the moment. Similar flight to here after 9/11. The pendulum will swing back in time. --73.17.xx.xxx




NYC is Toast (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2020 12:48 AM
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NYC can take care of itself. I believe there are more reports of people buying 2nd homes and keeping their city digs. The market that is affected deals w/ rich foreigners buying pied a terres. After 9/11 people migrated out of manhattan to brooklyn, then they redeveloped south of chambers st and battery park; it all sold. Brooklyn is full of young google types that split apts and bank their cash. Brad they all came from the midwest to be here, you can have them back. Every boundary has been pushed, in my opinion, some contraction is not a bad thing.

--24.194.xxx.xxx




NYC is Toast (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2020 12:01 PM
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[[[[........All the liberal rent control lovers are moving out of the disaster zone they voted for into your neighborhood. What could go wrong?.....]]]]]]]

Before they get a chance to vote, they will carry the pandemic with them everywhere they flee. That's how pandemics get spread around the country: people from infected areas move to non-infected areas attempting to escape the infection and they carry it with them and spread it around.

NYC will recover. People have short memories. Unless 1/3 of the country's population dies, all those New Yorkers will move back to New York because whatever reason they chose to live in NYC still remains a thing that they want.

Although perhaps if you hanker to own a multi-million dollar condo in NYC, now is the time to start shopping. --98.146.xxx.xxx




NYC is Toast (by Libi [NY]) Posted on: Aug 7, 2020 10:52 PM
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Well... maybe some rich folk are buying second homes in suburbs. I don’t see a crowd from Manhattan trying to rent in my area, which is less than 40 minutes from NYC by public transportation.

I feel that the reporter was showing more drama than the reality. --74.90.xx.xx




NYC is Toast (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Aug 8, 2020 8:46 PM
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Hmm... maybe I WILL sell that little 3br sfh that I'm considering unloading in an HOA neighborhood that is beginning to slide downhill a bit. Just about 80 miles from NYC myself. --98.114.xxx.xxx





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