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Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 29, 2020 9:52 PM
       Rapist in the house (by LisaFL [FL]) Jul 29, 2020 10:02 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Jul 29, 2020 10:13 PM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 29, 2020 10:35 PM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 29, 2020 10:39 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Jul 29, 2020 11:05 PM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 29, 2020 11:26 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Jul 29, 2020 11:45 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Jul 29, 2020 11:50 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Jul 29, 2020 11:56 PM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 12:06 AM
       Rapist in the house (by Steve [MA]) Jul 30, 2020 5:24 AM
       Rapist in the house (by JKJ [MA]) Jul 30, 2020 5:31 AM
       Rapist in the house (by myob [GA]) Jul 30, 2020 7:16 AM
       Rapist in the house (by Hammer [TN]) Jul 30, 2020 7:22 AM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 7:38 AM
       Rapist in the house (by Adam [CT]) Jul 30, 2020 7:51 AM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 7:53 AM
       Rapist in the house (by myob [GA]) Jul 30, 2020 7:58 AM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 7:59 AM
       Rapist in the house (by Hammer [TN]) Jul 30, 2020 8:02 AM
       Rapist in the house (by J [FL]) Jul 30, 2020 8:33 AM
       Rapist in the house (by razorback_tim [AR]) Jul 30, 2020 8:38 AM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 8:46 AM
       Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Jul 30, 2020 8:53 AM
       Rapist in the house (by S i d [MO]) Jul 30, 2020 9:01 AM
       Rapist in the house (by myob [GA]) Jul 30, 2020 9:16 AM
       Rapist in the house (by J [FL]) Jul 30, 2020 9:35 AM
       Rapist in the house (by PG [SC]) Jul 30, 2020 9:35 AM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 9:44 AM
       Rapist in the house (by S i d [MO]) Jul 30, 2020 9:52 AM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 10:18 AM
       Rapist in the house (by LisaFL [FL]) Jul 30, 2020 10:44 AM
       Rapist in the house (by RentsDue [MA]) Jul 30, 2020 11:23 AM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 11:25 AM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 11:53 AM
       Rapist in the house (by RentsDue [MA]) Jul 30, 2020 12:26 PM
       Rapist in the house (by J [FL]) Jul 30, 2020 12:55 PM
       Rapist in the house (by J [FL]) Jul 30, 2020 12:55 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Jul 30, 2020 1:54 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Nicole [PA]) Jul 30, 2020 1:55 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Nicole [PA]) Jul 30, 2020 1:56 PM
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       Rapist in the house (by Allym [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 2:37 PM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 4:09 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Frank [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 4:31 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Jul 30, 2020 6:14 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Barb [MO]) Jul 30, 2020 7:32 PM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Jul 30, 2020 8:45 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Jul 30, 2020 9:06 PM
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       Rapist in the house (by laura [MD]) Jul 31, 2020 11:59 PM
       Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Aug 1, 2020 6:54 AM
       Rapist in the house (by Nicole [PA]) Aug 1, 2020 9:42 AM
       Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Aug 1, 2020 9:44 AM
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Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 9:52 PM
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I rent to a group of 12, male and female college students. Today, one of the girls at the house told me they discovered one of their male housemates, has had multiple sexual assault allegations made against him . She said they are afraid to be living with this accused sex assaulter and asked me if I could take some action to assure their safety, while they live in the house with this accused sex offender.

I doubt a landlord can act against a person who is accused, but not convicted of a crime. But tell me if you think differently.

Any thoughts, on actions I could take to make the girls feel safer living with this guy? The bedrooms have privacy locks, but I could change them to keyed locks. I donít think cameras in the house would make anyone feel safer, but I donít know. What do you think? Thanks!

--70.158.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 10:02 PM
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You canít assume responsibility for tenants actions in their personal life. If the offense occurred on your property you could get rid of him. I wouldnít even attempt to imply I was responsible for somehow protecting them from a what if. If theyíre that scared I would offer them the option of moving out without penalty. --216.186.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 10:13 PM
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Did they pick there roommates as a group or do you rent individual rooms to people who dont know each other until they are roommates? --104.229.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 10:35 PM
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Lisa, I can not take responsibility for how my tenants act towards each other. However, I do what I can to facilitate my tenants living peacefully together.

Ken, I rent to groups, so they select their housemates. They do need complete an application process. --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 10:39 PM
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Lisa, I can not take responsibility for how my tenants act towards each other. However, I do what I can to facilitate my tenants living peacefully together.

Ken, I rent to groups, so they select their housemates. They do need complete an application process. --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 11:05 PM
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You rented to the group so they have to live with there choice of roommates,dont let them make there problem your problem --104.229.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 11:26 PM
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Well, like I told Lisa, I do what I can to facilitate my tenants living peacefully together. And it is my problem, if some of the students move out. The college is on-line semester, so off-campus housing is not selling like hot cakes. --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 11:45 PM
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Keyed bedroom door and/or some type of slide lock or chain on the inside of the door. We all know this wonít keep someone out that wants to get in but that person will have to work a little harder and louder to get in than just popping the lock on a privacy knob. My niece went through a similar thing (No assault but entering apartment, finding doors opened, etc) but the landlord hadnít changed the locks. They got the locks changed, police were involved and then there were no more issues. The girls did install interior locks for their piece of mind. --73.17.xx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 11:50 PM
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You donít want to get too involved, but here are other suggestions. The two girls could also use one bedroom to sleep and the other to study/hang out. Safety in numbers.

Tell them to get RAD training. Sound alarms are very noisy. I have a clip on sound alarm and pepper spray for my keys when I go to the apartments although I must admit with great tenants I have been letting my guard down. --73.17.xx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 29, 2020 11:56 PM
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How involved would you get if a female tenant told you that her husband was smacking her around? i rent housing,i am not a social worker. --104.229.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 12:06 AM
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Thanks Still Learning. I'm not sure I made clear: the girls are living with this accused person in the same house. Your suggestion were great. I like the idea of suggesting to them that live on the same floor. And get some pepper spray.

Ken, interesting question. Off the top of my head, I might look up some organizations for her to contact, and share those with her. Hmmm...makes me think I might do that with the situation at my house. Thanks for helping me solve the problem! --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 5:24 AM
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Bill W, a can of wasp / hornet spray shoots further, more accurate to shoot, is less likely to blow back on the user & is easier to acquire.

--71.174.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 5:31 AM
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Are these just allegations, or has he actually been charged and/or convicted? It matters, I say this because unfortunately in todayís society there are people that will allege things like this to get what they want or retaliation. If it were me, Iíd stay out of it other than to offer personal safety suggestions as Ken mentioned. --174.242.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 7:16 AM
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Allegation's?

I allegedly speed? Or I have several speeding tickets. BIG DIFFERENCE.

When you did the check out-- did you really check them ALL OUT? My take now that this is in the light you need to do some research-- because if something happens to any of the women (or men) in your place the first person who's getting sued is the LL for putting the criminal in the place.

When allegation's are made just keep Judge Kavanaugh hearings in mind. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Hammer [TN]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 7:22 AM
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I would add a deadbolt to each bedroom and remove the bathroom style locking doorknob. Go with a straight passage latch/closet door knob.

No locking themselves out. Secure way to lock their rooms.

DO NOT get personally involved in the composition of the roommate mix if at all possible.

You DID screen each tenant? Did any of the charges show up against said roommate?

Could be that female roommate had a fling with guy roommate and now it has turned sour.

--137.119.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 7:38 AM
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Yes, these are allegations, multiple allegations. The person in question is on the lease and pays his portion of rent but is not currently residing at the house. I have tenants who are concerned for their safety and I want to do what I can to help them feel safer.

At this point, per Still Learning's suggestions, Iím thinking of suggesting the women in the house move to the top floors and declare the top floor ďoff limits to the guysĒ. Iím also looking up some resources at the college, e.g., counseling, legal, etc, that can give them some advice. And considering adding keyed locks on the bedroom doors.

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. Itís been helpful.

--100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Adam [CT]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 7:51 AM
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Hopefully you rented to them all as one unit

with one lease. This way they have to absorb the sharing of the rental amount if they decide to kick that person out. When I rent to students I get the parents to co-sign the lease and when this type of issue comes up I call the parent and remind them of the responsibility of paying for all those listed on the lease. --67.186.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 7:53 AM
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Hammer, my last post was before I read yours. Interesting idea, adding deadbolts. More secure than keyed door handles, but Iíd need to add a hole, and any keyed lock is not legal per the city, but I was thinking of risking the fine. Probably, at my three-year inspection, theyíd just tell me to remove them.

Iím happy to tell you, I do not get personally involved in the composition of the roommate mix. This is a good reason not to, that I hadnít considered before.

Iím not happy to tell you, I do not screen the tenants for criminal records, I just check credit. I will add the criminal record check to my application process.

I don't think it's a personal think, as mentioned in your last sentence, but I don't know for sure. I was told this guy was kicked out of a fraternity because of these allegations. But I'm getting my information from a single person. I should talk with some others in the house. Thanks for helping me come up with some solutions!

--100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 7:58 AM
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DIG A HOLE!

Now your going to take these alligations to the public forumn? The school?

If these Alligations are false and this person finds out you have been spreading them around-- well dig a deeper hole.

Contact your attorney-- no not the closing attorney a criminal atty and get legal advice.

Move them to the top floor-- yea that would stop a rapist? Oh you made it off limits--- well thats different.

You are legally responcible for the safty of these tenants. protect yourself and get legal advice. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 7:59 AM
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Adam, I do rent to them as a group on a single lease. They select all members of their group.

As for them kicking the person out, that is a very interesting idea, that I may suggest to them. But like self-help evictions are not allowed by landlords, I don't think the tenants can force the person to leave, only suggest and apply pressure to the person to leave. --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Hammer [TN]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 8:02 AM
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Bill,

Tighten up your screening process. I realize students might/should not have extensive backgrounds which can be verified, BUT the cost to screen properly is pennies while the cost to screen poorly is immense.

Taking action against a student based on allegations is a dangerous road. If it turns out to be false, they may sue you. You are not a criminal judge and jury. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. Could just be heresay and gossip.

OR the dude could be a monster. IF you want to get involved, then rescreen everyone in the building.

Otherwise let them know that they need to handle it in house and vote him off the island. --137.119.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 8:33 AM
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I'd definitely start checking criminal background. And not just for NJ, do a nationwide search.

When I first started this I got these three roommates and one of them called me and accused the other of being a pillhead and having an anger management problem. But it turned out the one who made the allegation was the troublemaker, and he moved out while the others stayed on. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 8:38 AM
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IMO, this is their problem to sort out. They chose their own roommates. Perhaps they should have made better choices on the front end.

That being said, I would have a conversation with a local attorney to make sure you don't have an obligation. But it seems to me that since you didn't play matchmaker you wouldn't have a liability here. --98.174.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 8:46 AM
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Thanks myob, I didnít fully understand digging a hole and taking allegations to a public forum, but your point about protecting myself is well taken.

Hammer, I completely agree with your statement to tighten the screening process and not acting based on allegations. And my wife and I both got a good laugh on ďvote him off the islandĒ, but your point is well taken. Thanks.

Tell me J, do you think I can just run the person in question's application again, this time adding the background check? Thanks. And funny on the accuser being the problem, same thing just happened to me recently.

--100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 8:53 AM
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I dont see how the owner has any liability or responsibility here since they came as a group.12 college age kids,did anyone think something like this wouldnt happen? --104.229.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 9:01 AM
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Stay out of it. They all signed the lease. They picked their roommates. They are responsible for doing their own due diligence. If any of them move out early, the whole group of 12 is responsible to pay the rent until they find you a replacement.

I recommend that you don't become their Dr. Phil, or you will get tangled up in a mess and end up with "allegations" against yourself, maybe not for the same behaviors, but for sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong.

Welcome to real life, Mr. & Ms. College student, where adults solve their problems vs. expecting someone else to swoop in and save them.

You are a land lord: end of the story. You fix plumbing, roofs, and HVAC. You do not fix interpersonal relationships, especially not alleged ones.

. --107.216.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 9:16 AM
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Bill your statement I only do credit checks not criminal is exactly what atty's thrive on.

Greedy LL only makes sure he's gonna get paid-- doesn't care about who he puts in a home-- even molesters and rapist. This is why so many here stress a full as possible check of tenants. AND they are tenants-- in your home-- on your lease.

Ken to your point: your honor and ladies and gentleman of the jury-- these were just teenagers what did they know? -- BUT the LL knew! -- see he even ran a credit check-- but no criminal history or any concern for the safety of these youngsters!!!!! --99.103.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 9:35 AM
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Bill W:

I think you could get away with running the criminal check now, without his approval. The T isn't going to find out you ran it and there's no adverse action letter required for criminal check, unless NJ has some law about that.

I would run it just for my own knowledge, but if something bad comes up I wouldn't tell the T that I ran it. I'd find another way to get him out and deal with the situation.

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 9:35 AM
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BILL W

You have a range of choices and as you know this site is very good at that.

The first question in my mind about your post was -

What if one of the females was your DAUGHTER?

Not getting involved - when the girl told you about the allegations - sir you are involved.

My advice - you need to call an Attorney ASAP who specializes in this. --184.20.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 9:44 AM
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Ken, I tend to agree I donít have any liability. I just put a call into my attorney to check.

S I d, years ago, I posted here about the same house, where a group of wonderful tenants had a problem with one person in the house. Long story short, they all moved out and I evicted the problem person for failure to pay rent (he continued to pay his portion of rent, but not the full rent). It cost me around $14k for loss of rent and attorney fees. So yes, I can ignore this problem, but I think a stitch in time can save nine, may apply here. Thank you for taking the time. I always value your opinion.

Myob, as I mentioned above to Hammer, ďI completely agree with your statement to tighten the screening processĒ

--100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 9:52 AM
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BillW, of course you're welcome to do whatever, but I do have a few questions....

#1 Were those last group of students signed as "jointly and severally liable?" I would think that out of 12 college students, hopefully at least 1 or 2 graduated with a worthwhile degree and have a career making enough money for you to get paid back some or all of your $14,000 loss.

#2 Are you getting parents to sign on as co-signers? I can't imagine leasing to kids who most likely have no jobs and no income. This too would help mitigate your losses.

I'm not certain how you run your business, so the only way I can answer questions/give advice is "what would I do if I were in BillW's shoes?" I'd have all tenants responsible for the whole rent jointly and severally and also parents on the hook. I live in a college town with one major and one minor university (student bodies of 26,000 and 1,500 respectively) and 6-7 smaller colleges. These strategies are both common practice in my town, and I rarely hear of LLs having the kinds of problems or losses like you described. I offer this as food for future thought if you're not already doing these things.

Best wishes! --107.216.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 10:18 AM
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S i d, I pasted below my 2010 post about the previous problem tenant. On that one, I think I let my emotions get in the way of good business. I had checked this guy's credit and saw problems, but I thought "oh, I got these nice guys trying to help out a church member, I should try and help out too and overlook his non-payments to a hospital" I got hurt, but it was a lesson and it didn't break me.

To answer your questions: #1 my leases are jointly and severally liable, but I just didn't have the heart/guts to go after those guys to pay. They got hurt too by this one bad guy. #2 I do not get parents to co-sign. I know this is pretty common, but I don't. I do get 1-1/2 security and in my 15 years of doing this, I've just about never had a vacancy and I can count on one hand the times I didn't receive rent (including this guy)

But thanks and I'll consider what you said and possibly implement as new procedure.

my 2010 post: "I'm renting a 8 BR SF to a great group of guys, a mix of students and employed, for the past couple of years. Six months ago they helped out a disabled person at their church, by allowing him to move into the house. Now I'm told this person is abusing legal drugs, lying to others in the house and steeling from them. They asked him to leave, but he refuses.

Any ideas on how to deal with this situation?

2010 post: I'm renting a 8 BR SF to a great group of guys, a mix of students and employed, for the past couple of years. Six months ago they helped out a disabled person at their church, by allowing him to move into the house. Now I'm told this person is abusing legal drugs, lying to others in the house and steeling from them. They asked him to leave, but he refuses.

Any ideas on how to deal with this situation?

I don't think this person is violating any terms of the lease, since he is abusing legal, not illegal drugs. I don't have a good feeling about this person, but he has not caused me any problems directly.

I get paid this person's rent through social services and the balance is paid by the other tenants directly. The rent has never been late from any of them.

For the good of all I would like to get this person out, but I'm thinking I may be stuck. Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks." --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 10:44 AM
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Sidís advice is spot on.

I canít imaging involving myself in tenantís drama. The most I would do is consider allowing extra locks or different locks to be installed on individual room doors. I mean whatís next? Hiring a 24 hour room monitor?

If you had issues with roommates in the past how is it possible you donít screen for criminal history? It costs you nothing if it is covered in the application fee.

As a landlord I provide quality housing and some household cleaning instructions. I donít provide financial management training, self defense training, or any other counseling services.

Just wait until a tenant you decided to parent sprays a chemical in someoneís face and causes permanent damage and you are blamed because thatís what you told her to do. Then again I would never rent to children. And I only rent to roommates where one of them is capable of covering the entire rent amount. Solves a lot of problems when they break up over personal drama- one can afford to stay and the other moves on. --216.186.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 11:23 AM
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I just stopped renting to college. I always did like you are, all on one lease. The main reason I stopped is the liability. I realize that any tenant can do stupid things, but young adults who live together in groups are more likely. MYOB makes some good points. I have been on both sides of the court room and realized that it was just a matter of time before the college tenants landed me in a lawsuit. While you may feel you donít have any personal responsibility here ( and I agree with you) , a judge or jury wonít see it that way. When they look at that crying college girl on the stand ( who will be instructed to look like an devastated teenager) they will see their daughters and their granddaughters. They will only see you as a greedy LL who only cared about the rent. They will punish you accordingly. If these girls are afraid, they need to get a protective order or restraining order. Here, that allows you to change the locks to the home. I would present that option to them. If they do not pursue it then they are obviously not concerned he is a threat to them and you are not negligent for their inaction. Put the ball in their court. --68.118.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 11:25 AM
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Lisa as I mentioned to you above: I can not take responsibility for how my tenants act towards each other. However, I do what I can to facilitate my tenants living peacefully together. For example, sound transmission is a big issue in student housing. One student is playing music while the other is trying to sleep. I don't post quiet hours and I don't tell anyone to be quiet. But I do what I can to reduce sound transmission in a house. For example, I use solid core doors and seals around the doors.

I think there's not one right way to provide student housing. But when I look at the testimonials on my website and the reviews on google and yelp, I think I'm doing pretty well and I feel blessed.

Thanks for your input. I appreciate it. --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 11:53 AM
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Thanks RentsDue, I did leave a message with my attorney, and hereís a draft email to my tenant: ďIíd suggest you get with your group and decide if you want to ask xxx to leave the house. Iíd also suggest you contact the xxxx and xxxx police stations and discuss the issue with them.Ē What do you think? I thought about saying restraining order as you mentioned, but I didnít want to get too specific, as neither one of us is qualified to give legal advice, I donít think. --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 12:26 PM
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I would wait until your lawyer responds ( your state laws may be different), but smart to CYA . Iím just looking at it from the liability end, not much different than the domestic violence laws. If a tenant came to you and said she was afraid of her husband/ boyfriend, you would be required to get a copy of RO before you changed the locks. If she does not get an RO, you canít change the locks. The law says you are not required to act on her behalf and he still has rights as a tenant. So does your accused tenant. --68.118.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 12:55 PM
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"I just stopped renting to college. I always did like you are, all on one lease. The main reason I stopped is the liability. I realize that any tenant can do stupid things, but young adults who live together in groups are more likely."

I so agree Rents Due. The tenants I had who brought in the fire pit and the gigantic portable pool without permission were college age. With that and the revolving door of break ups and people moving in and out, at that age, it isn't really worth it unless it's your only option. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 12:55 PM
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"I just stopped renting to college. I always did like you are, all on one lease. The main reason I stopped is the liability. I realize that any tenant can do stupid things, but young adults who live together in groups are more likely."

I so agree Rents Due. The tenants I had who brought in the fire pit and the gigantic portable pool without permission were college age. With that and the revolving door of break ups and people moving in and out, at that age, it isn't really worth it unless it's your only option. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 1:54 PM
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I wouldnít put anything in writing. I would be more apt to have a voice conversation, mentioning that according to the lease... however if you were all to come to me and ask that someone be removed and someone be added, if everyone agreed including the person being removed I could draw up the paperwork. Or your lease states no changing locks, etc, but if you would like me to swap out your bedroom doorknobs to locking, I would be happy to, but just remember when you lose the key at 2 AM, Iím not coming over. Be careful because accused and convicted are different. I just read an article about a local 26 year old being charged with sexual assault for grabbing the buttocks of a 14 yr old girl as she walked down the sidewalk with her father. The alternate charge they are going for has to do with an age difference of over 5 years. This is a reminder that the term sexual assault covers a wide variety of offenses, not that any are ok. You reference rapist in the house. Again, none are acceptable but sexual assault does not always equal rape. As a parent of a college age girl, I would hope the landlord would be willing to allow for a new roommate if all agreed or add additional interior door locks if requested, however, I would not expect the landlord to solve the problem for my daughter. --73.17.xx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 1:55 PM
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I've never rented to students nor would I ever. Too many issues, including drunks jumping from roof to roof, missing and dying.

I had occasion a week or two ago to be in the area of one of the local colleges. To the best of my knowledge, they've been closed down since late March/early April. Out front of several were beer pong tables... recently used as the plastic cups were littered everywhere. Some had awnings and canopies. Some had benches and shelves/bars built around. All had plastic lawn chairs. These "yards" are between the porches and sidewalks at city row houses. Yards are probably 20-25' wide and 10-15 feet deep.

that said, those in my area who cater to the students make 2 to 3 times a month what I make on identical houses less than a mile away. --72.70.xxx.x




Rapist in the house (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 1:56 PM
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I've never rented to students nor would I ever. Too many issues, including drunks jumping from roof to roof, missing and dying.

I had occasion a week or two ago to be in the area of one of the local colleges. To the best of my knowledge, they've been closed down since late March/early April. Out front of several were beer pong tables... recently used as the plastic cups were littered everywhere. Some had awnings and canopies. Some had benches and shelves/bars built around. All had plastic lawn chairs. These "yards" are between the porches and sidewalks at city row houses. Yards are probably 20-25' wide and 10-15 feet deep.

that said, those in my area who cater to the students make 2 to 3 times a month what I make on identical houses less than a mile away. --72.70.xxx.x




Rapist in the house (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 2:19 PM
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An allegation is not the same as a conviction. I'd let them know that until he's convicted, there's nothing you can do other than let everyone out of the lease and have everyone move out.

If they feel threatened, then they should file a restraining order against him. Having several women file restraining orders while the allegation is going to trial would make him want to quickly move out to avoid harming his case.

I bet he'll go peacefully if they threaten him with multiple restraining orders. --108.69.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Allym [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 2:37 PM
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like you said, no case, no trial. A lot of gossipy young girls could have made this all up. I would say you are in for some upheaval with their leases. Pull the guy aside and talk to him first.

--71.104.xx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 4:09 PM
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Thanks for the advice Still Learning. I like the idea of a voice conversation, listing a few options and your perspective of a college age girlís parent.

LotF, interesting idea on the restraining order. I agree on he may go peacefully. You never know how people react.

AllyM, I did verify with the house leader, the story of the other tenant. I think if I ďpull the guy asideĒ it might be an offer to get out of the lease and getting his security deposit back

--100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 4:31 PM
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Google NJ sex offenders web site search --174.225.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 6:14 PM
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You go to the effort and let him out of the lease i bet the rest of them will refuse to make up the difference --104.229.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 7:32 PM
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I love my college students, but you are in a no win situation.

Have you considered mortise locks with keyed lock and handle sets? That is what hotels use. Key required on the outside, but handle opens even if locked from the inside.

Landlord Locks should be able to hook you up. Stanley makes them. Since you have solid core doors, youíll just need to chisel out to install. --67.43.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 8:45 PM
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Hi Barb, nice to hear from you. Me too, I love my college students.

And interesting option on the door locks. Thank you.

I'll tell you though, I was just thinking tonight, that I'd like to talk to this guy with the accusations against him. I gotta admit, I just assumed there was some guilt, after hearing he had multiple accusations against him, but to be fair, I thought I should getting a better understanding of what's going on.

If for whatever reason, it looks like it won't be good having him in the house, then I plan to offer to let him out of the lease, and give him back his security deposit.

Of course, I'd like to hear your thoughts on my plan, if you get a minute. --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 9:06 PM
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If you talk to him and he wants out or agrees to leave, are you planning to release others as well? Are you dropping the rent amount so the others donít have to pay his share. If you donít drop the rent it shouldnít be your choice unless you rent by the room. If you release him and the next person isnít comfortably living in the house with 10 other people and you donít release them, I think you have a potential issue. Let the kids figure it out. Both my son and my daughter have had issues with roommates wanting out or someone having a mental breakdown and being taken away. We guided our children and their roommates with information to try to negotiate on their own amongst themselves and then with their landlord. Roommates left and still paid their share or were replaced and released. Landlords were responsive when the kids approached with both the problem and solution. --73.17.xx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 9:57 PM
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This probably isnít much help this time around, but we always check Facebook to see if they are on there as part of our screening. It can be very revealing. --71.161.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2020 1:56 AM
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I'll be hte odd man out. I do not want their problem to become mine

BUT...

This IS MY problem. The good people leave. Or the parents sue the LL.

Me? I would talk to the man individually, perhaps with q witness and a recording and calmly ask him to consider living somewhere else before things get ugly. He might want out which helps you! If he is guilty he'll want out before criminal charges are filed.

My trick with suspected drug dealers is to ask them "Joe, why are the police asking me so many questions about you? Something going on?" He's usually out by daybreak.

Future: EVERY OCCUPANT must be screened.

Fuddy Duddy ol Dad me? I know times have changed but hormones have not. Boys and girls together is ASKING for trouble. Even more now than back when I was in college.

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2020 8:33 AM
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Thanks Still Learning, I didnít fully understand your post, but Iím hoping that assuming he leaves, the others will be fine living in the house and one less person will make the house less crowded. Iím not sure about dropping the rent. Since the college is on-line for at least this semester, there not high demand for off campus housing, so I need to be flexible. I think I will just leave the ball in their court and wait for response. Iím hoping that, like you said: they will ďnegotiate on their own amongst themselves and then with their landlordĒ

Nellie, I completely agree with your idea on Facebook and thanks for the reminder. Funny how a person might seem mature and you go to Facebook and itís a different story.

BRAD 20,000, I hear you on mixing boys and girls, but these big houses are hard enough to rent and if I had a boys/girls requirement Iíd cut out at least some of market.

I do plan to talk to guy today, but Iím thinking what if heís innocent? That would be a tough one as everyoneís minds seem made up.

And I agree, Iíd like to not have the problem become mine, but it is mine if this person is really what they say he is, and he stays and the rest of the group leaves. This is what happened in my 2010 post, that I pasted above. Well thanks for the input! Always great to see your name answering a post of mine! Bill

--100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2020 5:57 PM
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I'd start with the guy. Pull him aside and explain (without naming names) about the concerns. I would listen to his side of the story, because if there were multiple allegations but no conviction it could be one ex-girlfriend trying to get even.

If there's a reasonable explanation, you could talk it over with the girls. If there's anything questionable at all, I'd tell him there are concerns and suggest that he find alternative arrangements. You risk losing all the good residents if you keep the one bad one. --67.2.xx.xx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2020 6:56 PM
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You know Robin, I took me 3 days and absorbing what everyone had to say, to do pretty much what you just said. Here's what I posted last night: "I'll tell you though, I was just thinking tonight, that I'd like to talk to this guy with the accusations against him. I gotta admit, I just assumed there was some guilt, after hearing he had multiple accusations against him, but to be fair, I thought I should getting a better understanding of what's going on.

If for whatever reason, it looks like it won't be good having him in the house, then I plan to offer to let him out of the lease, and give him back his security deposit."

I left a message for the guy today, but I haven't heard back.

So, I completely agree with you that: "You risk losing all the good residents if you keep the one bad one" I just hope if he is a bad one, he will go peacefully.

Thanks! Bill --100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by laura [MD]) Posted on: Jul 31, 2020 11:59 PM
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I would start creating a paper trail showing that you are attempting to get him to leave. I would put in writing (not just a verbal conversation) offering him his security deposit back and end the lease, in writing the offer to add additional room locks. If something happens I want to be able to show that I took proactive preventative actions. Can't do that with just a conversation. --99.203.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Aug 1, 2020 6:54 AM
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What did your lawyer advise? I see the point of view of removing him but does that weaken the contract with the other 11? We have a commercial college rental 20 min away where they can rent as a group but if they read their lease they are actually only renting their bedroom and sharing the common area. In the event a ďroommateĒ leaves, they can replace them from the waiting list. None of the kids read their lease so when one of my childrenís ďroommatesĒ withdrew from school, by the time the friend found out, the bedroom had been filled with a stranger. They were angry, felt it was unfair, etc but when they sent me their lease to review it was all clearly written in an understandable format. The kids just signed without ever reading it. It was a big learning lesson for them and my children. --73.17.xx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Aug 1, 2020 9:42 AM
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rather than asking for his side and discussing "details", why not just be general and say something like "I understand there is discomfort between the housemates and if you want to leave now here's what I'm prepared to do for you." No need to get into a discussion where he "defends" himself to you or accuses others of who knows what. --72.70.xxx.xx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 1, 2020 9:44 AM
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Still Learning, wow, that must have been a real shocker for the student to find out they will be sharing a room with someone they didnít know, when they thought theyíd get to pick someone. I guess thatís the school of hard knocks.

My lawyer said, because I rent to students as groups, and I do not select individual group members and because I provide bedroom doors with privacy locks, Iím ok. He said for example, if I didnít provide secure entry doors and a stranger walked in and assaulted a tenant, that would be a different story.

Iím trying to get to speak with the guy who was accused, but so far, he hasnít responded. I wonder if he doesnít want to speak with the landlord. And I find out, although this guy is on the lease starting on 6/1/2020, he has not physically moved his things in, and he does not physically live at the house. Iím not sure how that affects things.

Thanks for the reminder Laura, regarding a paper trail. Once I decide a course of action, I will let the group know. I do hesitate to put things in writing before Iíve decided what to do.

--100.1.xxx.xxx




Rapist in the house (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: Aug 1, 2020 9:57 AM
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Nicole, after some thought, I think you are right. If I get into the details of the accusations with this guy and I end up thinking heís falsely accused, what Iím I going to do then, go back to the group and say this guy is fine? It is guys living with girls. At this point it makes sense for this guy and the group to separate, and I like you approach to make that happen. Thank you for your perspective --100.1.xxx.xxx



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