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Repairman w/o mask (by JulesKY [KY]) Apr 21, 2020 1:23 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by WMH [NC]) Apr 21, 2020 1:38 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by DJ [VA]) Apr 21, 2020 1:49 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by JulesKY [KY]) Apr 21, 2020 1:49 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by fred [CA]) Apr 21, 2020 1:54 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by JulesKY [KY]) Apr 21, 2020 2:02 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by NE [PA]) Apr 21, 2020 2:04 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by JKJ [MA]) Apr 21, 2020 2:07 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by fred [CA]) Apr 21, 2020 2:10 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Lynn [MA]) Apr 21, 2020 2:15 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Homer [TX]) Apr 21, 2020 2:19 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by myob [GA]) Apr 21, 2020 2:20 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by NE [PA]) Apr 21, 2020 2:26 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by myob [GA]) Apr 21, 2020 2:31 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by J [FL]) Apr 21, 2020 2:33 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 21, 2020 2:34 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by NE [PA]) Apr 21, 2020 2:40 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by RB [MI]) Apr 21, 2020 2:52 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Sue [IL]) Apr 21, 2020 2:58 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by myob [GA]) Apr 21, 2020 3:18 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by 6x6 [TN]) Apr 21, 2020 4:29 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by WMH [NC]) Apr 21, 2020 5:13 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 21, 2020 6:52 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Apr 21, 2020 6:57 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Apr 21, 2020 7:28 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Apr 21, 2020 8:57 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Vee [OH]) Apr 21, 2020 9:14 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Apr 21, 2020 9:24 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Mickie [OH]) Apr 22, 2020 8:21 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by WMH [NC]) Apr 22, 2020 8:26 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by PG [SC]) Apr 22, 2020 9:33 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Apr 22, 2020 9:35 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Apr 22, 2020 9:42 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by allyM [NJ]) Apr 22, 2020 11:30 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by allyM [NJ]) Apr 22, 2020 11:30 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Apr 22, 2020 11:38 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Nicole [PA]) Apr 22, 2020 2:23 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by pg [SC]) Apr 22, 2020 5:23 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Apr 22, 2020 7:47 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Apr 22, 2020 7:49 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Apr 22, 2020 9:27 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Apr 22, 2020 10:13 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by gevans [SC]) Apr 23, 2020 7:31 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by WMH [NC]) Apr 23, 2020 7:41 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Apr 23, 2020 9:48 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by LindaJ [NY]) Apr 23, 2020 12:57 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Apr 25, 2020 1:15 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Apr 25, 2020 1:18 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Apr 25, 2020 2:00 PM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Cjo’h [CT]) Apr 27, 2020 3:36 AM
       Repairman w/o mask (by Cjo’h [CT]) Apr 27, 2020 3:45 AM


Repairman w/o mask (by JulesKY [KY]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 1:23 PM
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I have a tenant that needed his kitchen sink repaired. After trying to fix it myself without success I called a plumber and got an appointment for first thing the next morning. Mr. Tenant refused to let him in to do the repair because he didn’t have a mask. Plumber left saying I could call someone else. I was furious that I needed to locate another plumber! This tenant cannot possibly be that fastidious about germs and hygiene with the condition of the top of his stove and the general condition of the apartment! ARGH! --74.132.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 1:38 PM
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I think the Tenant was correct: it's his home, apparently he's physically distancing himself and to let some stranger who enters LOTS of people's homes all day long in without the most basic of protection would give me pause as well.

This is not a "germ" and it is not grown on a dirty stove top. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 1:49 PM
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I can see it from both sides.

Too bad they couldn't have figured out how to get it done rationally. Like the plumber promise not to touch anything unnecessarily, the tenant could step out & sanitized after, etc.

I guess the repair is not that critical.

Recently, I needed to do a plumbing repair in a house where the lady tenant is quite feeble / sickly. Tenant opened the back door before we (plumber & I)came and we entered that way - right into the kitchen by the sink. She stayed in the front room. Her man or other family member could sanitize anything they deemed necessary after we left. --68.10.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by JulesKY [KY]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 1:49 PM
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WMH, you make a valid point. I guess I’m just frustrated at the incident. It’s a good thing for all of us to be aware of with the “new normal” we’re now dealing with. --74.132.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 1:54 PM
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JulesKY,

Did you wear a mask when you tried to fix the problem? --99.59.x.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by JulesKY [KY]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:02 PM
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Actually, I did wear a mask when I was there attempting the repair, but the tenant wasn’t home. --74.132.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:04 PM
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I'd get rid of the tenant. --174.198.x.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:07 PM
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The plumber should’ve been wearing some form of face covering, be upset with the plumber. The general condition of the tenants apartment has absolutely ZERO to do with COVID-19. This is the tenants home, he doesn’t know who the plumber has been in contact with. --174.192.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:10 PM
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So Jules, I recommend asking any repairman who works for you, if he had a mask, and if he doesn't, give him one.

No biggie.

--99.59.x.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by Lynn [MA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:15 PM
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I had a plumber refuse to do a service call today because of the pandemic. --66.30.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:19 PM
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Tenant is right. The plumber should care enough about others to wear protection. I wear one when I go to a rental to do work. My wife who just returned to the medical field after retiring 5 years ago, wears one all day at the hospital. Plumber should know better with all thats going on . --66.169.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:20 PM
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100% wrong. You are placing you, your tenant and the plumber at risk. We wear them whenever we're working with any non family member-- that includes the MMan. What a nerve to place someone at risk. We require the tenant and any family members to vacate the room-- preferable the house while we work.

Some laughed when I gave the MM the snorkel mask coverage. Yea know maybe he hasn't even worn it-- I don't ask---- I supply it for protection. So don't come back later and say the boss didn't give me anything. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:26 PM
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Why is it all of a sudden the landlords problem to micro manage a 3rd party vendor????????

No wonder the plumber said to get someone else to do it!

If I called my 15 year pro HVAC company and demanded they wear a mask, they may. I could also expect them to tell me to find someone else.

Now if they want to wear one, fine. But if a tenant refused entry for it, they would be moving sooner or later. --174.198.x.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:31 PM
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Maybe the tenant has it?

Maybe since the tenant doesn't know the repairman-- they don't want to take a chance.

I don't understand why anyone would risk it?

There is more than just an idiot plumber from the posts here. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by J [FL]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:33 PM
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Why couldn't the tenant go in the backyard or go grocery shopping or something while this work was being done? I suppose they would claim then that the repair guy would steal their stuff if they weren't there? --72.188.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:34 PM
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As a licensed contractor I am fully 100% responsible for providing any and all necessary protective gear needed on a job. I provide for all employee's Personal Protective Equipment (PPE). I also test surfaces to be disturbed before any work begins. I use PLM (Polarized Light Microscopy - Microscope).

I have more money invested in safety and testing equipment than I paid for my new car!

Your tenant was right not to allow a untrained or unobservant working into her rental.

--47.156.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:40 PM
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Robert J, you test work surfaces for microbes before starting work? Pre-Covid? Come on.

This forum is turning into the twilight zone. --174.198.x.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:52 PM
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One- upmanship. --184.53.x.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by Sue [IL]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 2:58 PM
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We had a plumber come to a vacant property today. He wore a mask and gloves, and my husband, who went inside, wore a mask. I stayed outside and did some yard work.

Last week we had an HVAC repairman at one of our properties. The tenant has some significant health issues. She asked (politely) in advance if the worker would have mask, gloves, and shoe coverings. We asked the repairman and he said "absolutely."

I believe it's part of doing business in this environment. Neither party should be offended. It's not difficult to put on a mask. We are all trying to protect each other, aren't we? (Well, most of us.) --73.110.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 3:18 PM
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Sue that was beautiful! --99.103.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 4:29 PM
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I know that some people realize, I mean think, that this whole thing has gotten out of sorts and people are scared and panicking and are therefore not concerned themselves(repairmen). However, due to the current circumstances and the fact that people are concerned I think that the repairmen, that are supposed to be professionals and are going into peoples homes as such, at least for the time being, should have and wear PPE. I would say that this plumber is careless and not very professional and obviously doesn't need work.

I would not use him again even after COVID-19 because he has shown his lack of respect for all parties involved. He obviously doesn't need or want the work. I bet he is loosing a lot of business over this. He has every right to not be worried about COVID-19 himself but he is going into peoples homes who have a right to be worried and expect professional curtesy.

--73.120.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 5:13 PM
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6x6, exactly. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 6:52 PM
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No NE (PA)! I test for:

Asbestos fibers in stucco, flooring tile, pipe insulation and acoustical ceilings (cottage cheese type). I do this with my microscope and polarized lens on a turn table. I also use other color filters to confirm the presents of asbestos. The testing is quick and only takes minutes.

I also have testing methods for "Lead" in paint.

And I have some immediate "Mold" testing kits. To categorize the type of Mold, not that this is that accurate.

For accuracy, I have air sampling kits to test for Mold Spores and other toxins. Those have to be dropped off or mailed into a lab.

--47.156.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 6:57 PM
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J [FL]: To answer your question, the problem is that the virus can stay alive for days on certain surfaces. Therefore, just having the tenant leave while the plumber -- without a mask -- works in their kitchen is simply not a viable/safe solution.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 7:28 PM
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“ In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.”

Straight from the CDC website.

If the tenant could stay more than 6 feet away from the plumber, and the plumber was not showing signs of COVID, a cloth face covering is not necessary.

--98.13.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 8:57 PM
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JR: That statement from the CDC is about in PUBLIC SETTINGS (as you quoted).

That is very different from someone in your home -- especially your kitchen.

The plumber could easily be infected and not know it. People working in other people's homes right now should be wearing masks. I am one of those people and do it. I'm touching other people's stuff all the time as part of my job. I wear a mask when I do it -- for their protection.

Again, that CDC advice is about public settings where no one is long-term touching or interacting with someone else's stuff. The plumber, in their home, is not like that at all.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 9:14 PM
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I get a lot of requests to come fix the -fill in the blank- not only do I want them masked I ask them if they can tell me where they record their temp daily, that produces several stalls so I mention that I will call and all the occupants will have to sit outside for the duration, I worked on a sink today - sprayed bleach water all around before during and after I went into the cabinet. There are a few people I hear thinking this is like smoking - it will just blow away in a few seconds, it would not have left the market district in China if that were the situation. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2020 9:24 PM
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John, did you see where the CDC says to wear masks in private settings?

I have never seen it.

I searched the OSHA website too, which would classify this work situation as low risk and no special PPE is required.

If I am wrong, I really would like to know it, but I just haven’t seen the advice that many say “is necessary” but then cite their feelings on the matter rather than advice from credible authorities. --98.13.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by Mickie [OH]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 8:21 AM
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Although I tend to take the virus numbers with a grain of salt I’m still cautious. My guy who does most of the work on my properties is older and isn’t working on anything that has tenants in it. So I go instead and use a mask. My electrician needed to make a repair and I ask ahead of time that he wear a mask. The tenant a little 83 year old lady greeted him at the door with her mask on. I wear a mask when I go into homes because even though I’m taking the incomplete numbers in my state with a grain of salt if I’m wrong I wouldn’t want to put someone else at risk. Other than that I continue to what’s needed to run my business. --71.213.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 8:26 AM
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JR, wearing the mask protects others. So I wear one for YOU and you wear one for ME. It's going to be the new norm for awhile and is simply the polite thing to do.

If the plumber was that rude about it, I'd be perfectly happy to work with another, more cooperative, professional.

Per Jeffrey's teachings, I value cooperation as my #1 quality in a tenant AND the professionals we engage with. --50.82.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 9:33 AM
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Any poster

Is the mask a one time use and if it isn't how do you clean it? Does the repairman disinfect any surfaces he touches?

Let's say you had to meet with the tenant would it be better to meet outside? --72.173.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 9:35 AM
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JR: I'm not sure why you are confused by this. This is a person, who may be infected, that will be working in someone's private residence. The virus can survive for DAYS on surfaces that would commonly be found in the kitchen that they would be working in.

Therefore, it makes perfect sense to require a worker, in a private residence, to wear a face mask while working. They should actually also wash their hands thoroughly before they start after they've put the mask on.

You might not find that exact situation from the CDC, but it can be easily implied. They are recommending face masks when you might come into contact with other people. In this situation, even if the tenant leaves temporarily, they would still come in contact with where the plumber had been -- and the virus would still remain if he had it. Therefore, the mask should be worn even though there is no "plumbers in rental units" document from the CDC.

Also, of course it isn't going to be under any OSHA stuff on this right now. Any classifications of "low risk" or "no PPE required" from OSHA are generally about protecting the WORKER. Face masks for COVID-19 aren't mainly about protecting the worker -- they are about protecting others nearby.

So, we can agree to disagree, but I think there is plenty of guidance from "credible authorities" on this situation -- even if you have to extrapolate a bit. It seems pretty obvious to me on why this would be a situation where a mask should be worn.

To better understand your view, why do you think that there isn't a threat here? For the sake of argument, let's assume that the plumber might actually be infected -- since we wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him. Don't you think it only makes sense to require him to wear a mask while working in someone's kitchen and breathing on all of their stuff?

Or, heck, for the sake of argument, what if we KNEW that he was infected? What if a plumber told you that he had tested positive for COVID-19, but was still willing to work. Would you allow that plumber to go into a tenant's apartment and work on their stuff without a mask then?

If you WOULD allow that -- with a known infected person -- then I think that is insane and we don't even need to try to discuss this any more since we will always disagree. But if you think that you might NOT allow an infected person to work in someone's place (especially without protection), then I think we should continue to discuss why it makes sense to have someone that we are UNSURE of also wear the mask.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 9:42 AM
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PG: To answer some of your questions...

It depends on the mask. Some are intended to be "one use" and throw them away after. Disposable. Others are made so that you can use them all day, then wash them, then use them again the next day. Some you can disinfected with UV light. They tend to break down over time, so eventually you have to replace them. (Also, it makes a big difference if you are a healthcare worker working in the ICU for 12-16 hours a day with known infected patients versus a landlord with a home-sewn mask wearing it for 15 minutes to meet with someone.)

For many masks that you and I would be using for LL stuff, you can clean them by heating in an oven, cleaning it with bleach, microwaving it, and so on. (You can Google some instructions for most of those.)

If I had a worker working in a unit, it would depend on what he was doing as far as disinfection goes. Personally, if I had a plumber in there, I would ask him beforehand to make sure he was going to wear a mask and then wipe down the surfaces he was around after with disinfecting wipes. Or I'd ask the tenant to do that after the plumber left if they were fine with that.

And, finally, yes... If you have to meet with someone right now, the best thing would probably be to have them walk outside and stay 6' apart to talk to them. Of course, I kinda feel like if you only had to talk to them like that, then I'd just make a phone call or text them instead.

Just my thoughts. Hope that helps some!

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by allyM [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 11:30 AM
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The virus is in spit. The plumber has spit and could have the virus from going to many homes. Get another plumber who isn't a pigheaded moron. --173.61.xxx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by allyM [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 11:30 AM
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The virus is in spit. The plumber has spit and could have the virus from going to many homes. Get another plumber who isn't a pigheaded moron. --173.61.xxx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 11:38 AM
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Wow! For once I really agree with AllyM! Someone take a photo! :)

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 2:23 PM
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I don't send workmen to tenants homes without being there initially. Had you been there, perhaps you could have diffused the situation, come up with a work around or given the plumber a mask you carry (I've got a stack of the white dust masks in my truck all the time - nothing to do with this virus).

My guess would be the majority of folks who cover their faces don't do so correctly (disposable masks used one time, cloth masks having a filter and being washed daily. To to me, it's mostly a matter of perception and false sense of protection. --72.70.xxx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by pg [SC]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 5:23 PM
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THANKS JOHN --72.173.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 7:47 PM
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John, I hope you feel that you and I are still having a friendly debate. To answer your question, if the plumber “might” be infected, he should assess his risk. If he is not at elevated risk, he can go about his daily business, and if he can maintain the 6 foot distance, no mask is necessary. If he is at elevated risk, like if he lives with someone diagnosed with COVID, he should stay at home and quarantine for 14 days.

If he has COVID, he should stay at home for the longer of seven days from symptom onset or 72 hours afebrile, with decreasing other symptoms. (Weird, known cases may need to stay home for a shorter timeframe than known cases). All of the above are easily found on the CDC website, without inferring anything.

The case above, plumber, in a private home, able to maintain a six foot distance from others, the CDC does not give specific advice to people about masking. You can infer, and in your house, your rules. Rent on! --98.13.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 7:49 PM
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That’s “Weird, known cases may need to stay home for a shorter period than those with Just COVID exposure”. --98.13.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 9:27 PM
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JR: I think you're still missing it. We're not trying to protect the plumber here; we're trying to protect the TENANT. The plumber doesn't get to "access his risk" and then go in with a chance to infect someone else. His rights ends when hers starts.

Masks today that people wear (not in healthcare) are NOT DESIGNED to primarily protect them. They are designed to protect OTHERS. So, this whole thing about whether or not the plumber should wear a mask is about protecting the TENANT from the plumber, not the other way around.

So, no, sorry, we don't let some known infected person "go about his daily business." At all. If they are known infected, they stay home. Self-isolation. Period. Heck, that's required in most states right now.

And, for a person where we don't know (which is EVERYONE, at this point), then we require them to wear a mask if they are working in someone's home and could spread the virus on surfaces there.

You keep going back to the CDC as if they'd recommend it as being ok. Again, you've listed requirements for public spaces when you keep talking about 6 feet. That isn't what we're talking about here.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2020 10:13 PM
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John, we agree you get to make the rules for folks coming into your house.

We agree that infected people need to stay home. (Don’t know why you insinuated we disagree in your last post)

We disagree if the CDC directs folks to wear masks where social distance can be maintained.

President Trump, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, the news anchors on every network, the head of my state’s CDC (in a Democrat-led state), the head of the US CDC, the lady that does the sign language interpretation for him, the anchors on our local news, the weather lady....they are spending a lot of time together, share the same podium, microphone, anchor desk, etc., and none of them wear a mask in public.

You want to require your plumber to wear a mask in your house, go ahead, but be honest in why you are doing so, and it isn’t because a public health official is telling you to do so. --98.13.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Apr 23, 2020 7:31 AM
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In years gone by, as an HVAC repairman, I have had customers require me to: take off my shoes to come inside, wear booties, wash my hands repeatedly, stay off certain floors, etc.

For me, it comes down to this, and this statement is easily applied to any LL:

1. I am the servant

2. They are the customers.

Give them what they want, and charge them for it. (within reason of course).

It doesn't matter what I think, if a customer wants me to wear a mask, I should wear a mask.

And BTW, I am more in line with NE as to my personal thoughts on the COVID. I don't think any of us found this newsgroup because we are humanitarians. It's because we are capitalists. --69.80.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 23, 2020 7:41 AM
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Gevens, the booties are an equivalent idea, yes? If the resident doesn't like strange shoes on their carpets, they ask that you wear booties. Some contractors do it on their own volition when they are in and out of a house on a job.

It doesn't protect the contractor, it protects the resident's floor.

Mask: it doesn't protect the contractor, it protects the resident.

--50.82.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 23, 2020 9:48 AM
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JR: But the CDC has recommended face masks for people that work with other people's stuff. You keep talking about their comments on social distancing when in PUBLIC. Again, that isn't what we're talking about here.

As an eaxmple, here's the CDC saying that pharmacists need to wear face masks regardless of social distancing:

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/pharmacies.html

It reiterates: "Individuals without coronavirus symptoms (“asymptomatic”) and those who eventually develop symptoms (“pre-symptomatic”) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms. This means that the virus can spread between people interacting in close proximity—for example, speaking, coughing, or sneezing—even if those people are not exhibiting symptoms."

It also states: "Everyone entering the pharmacy should wear a face covering for source control (i.e., to protect other people in case the person is infected), regardless of symptoms."

Clearly, their guidance is for face masks to be worn just to be safe because they are basically working on everyone's stuff -- people who could then get it after touching or ingesting what the pharmacists prepared.

I actually think that is a very close example to having a plumber work in someone's kitchen.

I think if you asked the CDC that question specifically, they would clearly state that the plumber should wear a mask. Just like they tell pharmacists to wear masks -- regardless of their social distancing.

Social distancing is about not infecting others in public. It isn't as much about getting the virus on other THINGS that people would touch LATER. THAT is what we're talking about in the case of a plumber working in a unit.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Apr 23, 2020 12:57 PM
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Tenants home, it is not unreasonable for them to make that request. The plumber should have some respect for others.

--108.4.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Apr 25, 2020 1:15 AM
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Jules,

Your res had every right to turn him away.

Dumb plumber. Does he live under a rock? It's obvious he does not care about the res or your work.

I would not pay his trip charge because he did not come prepared to do the job, just as if he left his tools at home.

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Apr 25, 2020 1:18 AM
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PS

Tell yoru res to search Youtube for a solution.

Also, we provide ZIP IT tools ($3) at every home. Quick and easy drain unclogger.

We have one home with a leak under the kitchen sink. We told them the governor has us all under a Stay at Home order so we are not doing minor repairs right now. Put a bucket under the drip.

They questioned that so we responded "We do not have a way to test repairman to make certain they are not bringing the virus into your home."

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Apr 25, 2020 2:00 PM
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Don’’t worry, Brad. If you don’t pay the plumber’s trip charge, you will never see him again when you need a plumber so you won’t have to worry about his not wearing a mask.

Remember, the owner (geven’s “customer”) didn’t care that the plumber didn’t have a mask, the tenant did.

Although I would do the same as you, that is not send out another plumber until the COVID craziness is over and tell the tenant to use the bathroom sink instead.

--98.13.xx.xxx




Repairman w/o mask (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 27, 2020 3:36 AM
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Dr.Mike,where are you in relation to Fort Kent...............................charlie. O’H..................... --32.214.xxx.xx




Repairman w/o mask (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 27, 2020 3:45 AM
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Spent 6. Months mixing lead into paint to make it more durable,got it all over me.dont think it did anything to my memory .we’ll see in another 50 years or so...............charlie................................. --32.214.xxx.xx





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