I would file as soon as the courts open. Get your hearing. Appeal. I think once the courts open back up, you'll see a lot of this type of fluff fade away pretty quick.

"I do have a right to make a profit after all the work I've put in."

That has been true and the default way of thinking for most of our country's history, but recent laws have changed regarding statewide rent control in Oregon and "compassionate" liberalism this is not a surprise. It's the new reality.

"You didn't build that," our former Prez told us. That's the modern default thinking. You do NOT have the right to make a profit by default. Government dictates what ability you have via things like price controls, anti-hoarding laws, "price gouging" (i.e. supply and demand) prohibitions, limiting your ability to seek recourse thru courts, etc.

Linda-- we filled out the form on line and all of ours have been frozen. 90 days and no bad reporting to credit bureaus.

Did you go to your mort co's website?

I think if we loose rental payment because our president stated that rent would be frozen for 3 months, should we not be able to claim that loss on our tax return as a loss revenue write-off (government expense)?? :-)

Linda FL,

Some lenders offer 90 day delay in mtg payments, so contact your lender.

Of course you have a right to make a profit.

But what has changes is the rules, and to make a profit, you must stay within the rules. Not every entrepreneur will have the ability to be successful under the changing rules.

The basic principle of business is the ability to adapt under changing circumstances, sometimes under rapidly changing circumstances. Under the new rules, your financing requirements are under pressure, including your cash flow circumstances, some entrepreneurs will have to improve their personal approach in order to survive, and the legal remedies available have been narrowed. Not everyone will be able to realize their "right" to make a profit. Only the good businessmen will succeed.

People like to trash my state but we are not nearly as bad as others. May rent isn't due to 7/1, but its still due it is not a rent holiday, it is a rent postponement. I believe June rent is still due on time.

Rights should only be limited when the government can prove a compelling public interest. It must also be the least disruptive method of limitation practical. That is an important consideration.

Today, we are not allowed to evict because courtrooms are closed, and in some states, they have forbidden evictions for at least 90 days. Given that people are still allowed to buy groceries and liquor, and to go to Lowes to pick up potted plants, I would say the Govt has a hard time proving it's case that courts are acting reasonably and following the principle of "least disruptive method".

In short, a person can still be arrested today for shop lifting a bag of groceries, but they can stay without penalty for the time-being. Housing is essential, but so is food. Why the disparity?

From what I am seeing locally - the number of places for sale has not changed much at all. So no death an destruction here yet.

When I start seeing cats and dogs living together - I'll let you know.

Ken this is wording: "payment will continue to accrue and not forgiven". (of course we're not tenants) Mortgage company "will work with you" Mortgage company will work with you on all options"

I swear these people use the same words they used in mortgage debacle--- "work with you" -- sure. Same wording as we're the gov't and we're here to help!!!!!

Please note it says this at the beginning of the form-- for the forbearance: you have been personally impacted by the C-19. Impact includes loss of income. We had 4 who only paid half their rent. (we have loss of rent-- so JB doesn't flip out with name calling.

It's good for 3 months and will be reviewed then IN CASE YOU NEED MORE. You all should look at the offer so IF YOU NEED IT YOU'LL KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTING.

From what I read online about mortgage payments being put onhold is that they will be tacked onto the end of the loan, so they will be paid, it's just that your current tenants will not be paying them and will be living there for free while you pay later. What about the taxes, insurance & wear and tare for those months?

George get use to the idea-- almost every state has said no evictions can be processed. NONE said the tenant should not pay. People are interrelating this.

Sid, I offer the following ideas about your posting. I am concerned that your point of view misses the basic issues involved in the present housing orders.

Do you really doubt that there is a compelling public interest involved in orders temporarily preventing evictions?

Any business will experience ups and downs in operations. Anyone who calls himself a businessman will recognize that what he does for a living is to resolve the ups & downs and produce a profit in the end. Those who cannot do that are not businessmen, but amateurs.

The compelling public interest today is to preserve the fabric of American life so that when the present crises is over, there will be an America to rebuild. Without such preservation, rebuilding would be so difficult, it might be impossible. More than 20,000 deaths so far (probably 25,000 by Wed or Thurs), unheard of levels of unemployment, stores empty, no traffic, industry operating on skeleton crews without production or sales. If this is not a recession (and a huge one), then invent a name for it. If widespread homelessness is added, what else would be in store? Do you think that the government can just flip a switch and just turn everything on again when infection rates die down?

As for the least disruptive method of limitation practical, what would you propose? Other than forbidding eviction while maintaining rents as debt? It sounds reasonable to me. And considering the profits that rentals have brought in over recent years, its also reasonable to consider some obligations on landlords.

You had a chance to refuse tenancy to tenants who buy liquor. If you are now taking some (small) loss now, think about that strategy when life gets more normal.

Sorry if my outlook is a little more sophisticated than yours, but from society's needs, its all necessary.

No one is calling Sid an idiot, but another username suggests itself.

It seems that you cannot distinguish between what you call a tenant advocate and a college level discussion of very real issues.

Moshe Webster definition of ADVOCATE:

advocate noun

ad·vo·cate | Čad-vY-kYt , -Ěk
t

Definition of advocate (Entry 1 of 2)

1: one who pleads the cause of another

specifically : one who pleads the cause of another before a tribunal or judicial court

2: one who defends or maintains a cause or proposal

an advocate of liberal arts education

3: one who supports or promotes the interests of a cause or group

a consumer advocate

an advocate for women's health

He has paid respectful attention to the home schooling movement by meeting with its advocates and endorsing their cause.

— Elizabeth Drew

advocate verb

ad·vo·cate | Čad-vY-Ěk
t

advocated; advocating

Definition of advocate (Entry 2 of 2)

transitive verb

: to support or argue for (a cause, policy, etc.) : to plead in favor of

They advocated a return to traditional teaching methods.

a group that advocates vegetarianism

intransitive verb

: to act as advocate for someone or something

… a tradition of advocating for the equality and civil rights of all people …

— Fred Kuhr

Look at #3 definition under noun.

You are clearly and tenant advocate on a landlord website ...go figure. FYI I have a masters degree from a major university. You are the one who isn't able to distinguish the difference between advocacy and an appropriate place for an advocacy discussion.

Moshe again with the "my perspective is more sophisticated".

Laura, I'm not a tenant advocate, but I do advocate intelligent thinking about serious issues. I thinks that Sid'a assertion that what's happening with forbidden evictions is unreasonable and that one only comes to that conclusion by selfish logic.

First of all, its not the court that is doing it (except in CA) its the executive branch issuing orders to the court. Second, its not unreasonable considering what has to be accomplished, and without a better proposal, it is the least disruptable remedy to the very serious problem. Will it cost landlords money? Yes, but intelligent landlords will survive (some less intelligent landlords may not) and America will go on to recover, and that is the design. Too many landlords here are selfishly concerned with their own nickels and dimes, and refuse to acknowledge that we are in a crisis and we all have to take our share of losses. We have all made good money in this business for the last 10 years, and by engineering the recovery, we will go on to make more good money in the next 10 years.

I didn't call anyone an unsophisticated idiot, by I do call those who refuse to understand, unsophisticated thinkers.

NE, how do you think the problem is to be solved? Unsophisticated thinkers think only about the own local inconvenience, others think globally about America's great crises, and what to do about it.

When America was attacked after Pearl Harbor, the government ordered the draft, and I am sure that there were men who complained that "why do they have an obligation to give up" whatever they had to give up. But thats how America resolved its problem and recovered. These are war circumstances and sacrifice is needed, and with everyone pulling together, e can resolve the present crisis and recover just as we did after the war. If you are a good businessman (unsophisticated as you seem to be) in 10 years you won't miss whatever small losses you may incur now. I know that I won't.

This is NOTHING compared to Pearl Harbor. The bombing of Pearl Harbor left no doubt in the majority of people's minds that there was a greater issue to solve.

This American wound is self inflicted. (The reaction, not the virus)

There are businesses deemed essential and businesses deemed non essential.

Some businesses on both sides will gain and lose as a result of this. Housing is essential. I owe free rent about as much as Walmart owes me free toilet paper.

What vacancies do you have? If I have any non-payers, I'll do my part for the "greater good" and rent them a moving truck and you can house them for free.

Sorry, NE, but I think that the majority of university-educated Americans realize how serious this problem is and what its implication are for America and its future.

I don't have any vacancies, but I do have 3 families who have lost the main breadwinners job, at least for the time being. The are all concerned about what they will do for the future, but I believe in them and I expect that they will all ultimately perform their obligations. After all, I chose them.

Putting a vast number of families out of their homes is not a good move for American society. They continue to owe the rent, and those who have filled their vacancies haphazardly may take some losses. Some landlords who have tried hard may also take losses, but remember that they are no longer individuals, but are housing providers who will have to average losses with profits and maintain appropriate lines of credit. Those who cry over nickels and dimes will never understand what business is all about.

Moshe...I will remain silent on the validity of your argument.

Moshe is teaching us how to be humble. Ray Charles can see the irony in that.

I am embarrassed to say I graduated from grad school from out in Orange County. I left that area because I couldn't understand why so many close minded people can think that they are better than anyone else.

I don't understand how any governors' executive order can partial close down the legal system within a state. Perhaps the President should follow that same logic and shut down the SCOUS because this is an emergency.

Since I don't see myself giving my tenants anything for free, I will help them plan their way out of this mess as best as I can.

Thanks, All.... *grins I'm used to Moshe's method of calling people fools without using the word fool.

I set up two premises in my argument:

1) Govt must have a compelling interest

2) Govt should use the minimally invasive, practical methods to limit rights.

Notice, I never said Govt doesn't have a compelling interest. Moshe incorrectly inferred that I said this when I said nothing of the sort. But to spell it out clearly, I think the Govt DOES have a compelling interest in this case, so they meet criteria 1.

I focused my critique in paragraph 2 on the "least invasive methods" using those exact words. I do not think Govt is using minimally invasive methods, so they would not meet criteria 2.

My decades of real life experience has shown me that, by far, the majority of tenants will get out of paying if they can and that very few people, tenants or not, have any real honor anymore.

I consider it to be tough love to make the tenants pay as they go instead of allowing them to build up a large debt of unpaid rent.

I predict that the majority of tenants who have lived without paying rent for 3-4 or 6-9 months rent, however long this thing lasts, will pack up and move instead of paying the back rent. They won't care about ruining their credit or care about getting a future rental as long as they can get out of paying what they owe.

If I am tough with my tenants, they always find a way to pay, which keeps their debt load lower and keeps a roof over their head. It is not a kindness to allow them to run up thousands of dollars of debt when they could actually pay if they know that is their best option.

Moshe might consider me to be unsophisticated and I consider him to be sophomoric. I tend to ignore him because I will never believe he is older than 20 or that he has ever owned any rentals, nor that he has ever lived in the real world. Thus no value to his opinion, although its a free country ( sort of, still ) and he is entitled to his opinion.

" I do not think Govt is using minimally invasive methods, so they would not meet criteria 2 "

Sid, do you have a better suggestion for what govt should do to satisfy their compelling interest? A more minimally invasive method to achieve this important goal?