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Covid= No rent (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Mar 12, 2020 12:21 PM
       Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 12, 2020 12:25 PM
       Covid= No rent (by David [NC]) Mar 12, 2020 1:40 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Barb [MO]) Mar 12, 2020 1:44 PM
       Covid= No rent (by John... [MI]) Mar 12, 2020 1:45 PM
       Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Mar 12, 2020 1:51 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Barb [MO]) Mar 12, 2020 1:53 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Still Learning [NH]) Mar 12, 2020 2:39 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Mike45 [NV]) Mar 12, 2020 2:40 PM
       Covid= No rent (by fred [CA]) Mar 12, 2020 3:25 PM
       Covid= No rent (by CX [WA]) Mar 12, 2020 3:54 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Barbara [VA]) Mar 12, 2020 4:02 PM
       Covid= No rent (by fred [CA]) Mar 12, 2020 4:05 PM
       Covid= No rent (by RB [MI]) Mar 12, 2020 4:07 PM
       Covid= No rent (by WL [CA]) Mar 12, 2020 4:18 PM
       Covid= No rent (by fred [CA]) Mar 12, 2020 4:23 PM
       Covid= No rent (by fred [CA]) Mar 12, 2020 4:26 PM
       Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 12, 2020 4:32 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Steve [MA]) Mar 12, 2020 4:42 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Jkj [MA]) Mar 12, 2020 5:32 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Chris [VA]) Mar 12, 2020 5:38 PM
       Covid= No rent (by JB [OR]) Mar 12, 2020 5:40 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Johnny B. [MA]) Mar 12, 2020 5:46 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Natasha [MD]) Mar 12, 2020 6:32 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Dave [MO]) Mar 12, 2020 7:02 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Mike [TX]) Mar 12, 2020 7:18 PM
       Covid= No rent (by GKARL [PA]) Mar 12, 2020 8:32 PM
       Covid= No rent (by AllyM [NJ]) Mar 12, 2020 8:55 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Lynn [MA]) Mar 13, 2020 7:09 AM
       Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Mar 13, 2020 8:08 AM
       Covid= No rent (by Still Learning [NH]) Mar 13, 2020 8:39 AM
       Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 13, 2020 8:56 AM
       Covid= No rent (by tryan [MA]) Mar 13, 2020 9:20 AM
       Covid= No rent (by AJC [MA]) Mar 13, 2020 9:45 AM
       Covid= No rent (by Nicole [PA]) Mar 13, 2020 12:36 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Susan [MI]) Mar 13, 2020 3:28 PM
       Covid= No rent (by KEVIN [OH]) Mar 13, 2020 3:49 PM
       Covid= No rent (by KEVIN [OH]) Mar 13, 2020 3:49 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Mar 13, 2020 6:35 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Small potatoes [NY]) Mar 13, 2020 7:40 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Mar 13, 2020 8:01 PM
       Covid= No rent (by PG [SC]) Mar 14, 2020 9:30 AM
       Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 14, 2020 9:34 AM
       Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Mar 14, 2020 9:37 AM
       Covid= No rent (by Jason [VA]) Mar 14, 2020 10:20 AM
       Covid= No rent (by Susan [MI]) Mar 14, 2020 10:25 AM
       Covid= No rent (by orit [MI]) Mar 14, 2020 11:48 AM
       Covid= No rent (by orit [MI]) Mar 14, 2020 11:48 AM
       Covid= No rent (by JB [OR]) Mar 14, 2020 12:54 PM
       Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 14, 2020 1:03 PM
       Covid= No rent (by JB [OR]) Mar 14, 2020 2:34 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Mar 14, 2020 6:36 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Mar 14, 2020 6:37 PM
       Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 14, 2020 6:55 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Mar 14, 2020 9:20 PM
       Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Mar 15, 2020 8:06 AM
       Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 15, 2020 8:24 AM
       Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Mar 15, 2020 12:51 PM
       Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 15, 2020 12:58 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Mar 15, 2020 2:41 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Mar 15, 2020 3:08 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Jkj [MA]) Mar 15, 2020 3:09 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Jkj [MA]) Mar 15, 2020 3:17 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Mar 15, 2020 3:44 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Mar 15, 2020 3:55 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Jkj [MA]) Mar 15, 2020 4:17 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Mar 15, 2020 4:30 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Mar 15, 2020 4:54 PM
       Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Mar 15, 2020 4:55 PM
       Covid= No rent (by razorback_tim [AR]) Mar 15, 2020 6:42 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Mar 16, 2020 6:11 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Beth [KS]) Mar 17, 2020 5:54 AM
       Covid= No rent (by Susan [MI]) Mar 17, 2020 8:24 AM
       Covid= No rent (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Mar 19, 2020 5:51 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Orit [MI]) Mar 19, 2020 7:59 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Danno [IL]) Mar 23, 2020 2:19 AM
       Covid= No rent (by Danno [IL]) Mar 23, 2020 11:28 AM
       Covid= No rent (by JulesKY [KY]) Mar 23, 2020 9:59 PM
       Covid= No rent (by Mick [CA]) Mar 24, 2020 8:05 AM
       Covid= No rent (by Karmen [OR]) Mar 26, 2020 2:17 AM
       Covid= No rent (by mike [CA]) Mar 27, 2020 2:38 PM


Covid= No rent (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 12:21 PM
Message:

THIS is why debt is dangerous. Stuff happens outside our control which reduces our income.

Had our first covid related job loss by a resident. She texted to say she cannot pay rent this Friday. Her employer's volume dropped due to flu fears and they laid off many folks.

We can argue all day long about panic, testing, etc but the reality is her employer's business dropped, she's out of work, and I might not get the rent.

I read a big article this morning about the port in LA, truckers, etc. the article suggested the first categories to feel the pain: Chinese products and shipping, hospitality/travel, and factory temps (last in = first out).

I suggest reviewing your res' employment (pull their application) and anticipate who might be on the bubble.

Tape up!

BRAD --174.231.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 12:25 PM
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That's her story and she's sticking to it. --174.201.xx.xx




Covid= No rent (by David [NC]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 1:40 PM
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so how's that zero tolerance going to work Brad?

Zero tolerance or exception made? --71.217.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 1:44 PM
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In a situation like this, my first response will be to provide a list of organizations in the area that will assist with emergency rent payment. If rent is due on Friday, and they have already notified you of the lack of funds to pay, then give them a pay or quit notice with the amount due to take to agencies right away. Provide it first thing tomorrow, in hard copy, so that they can go get help.

A lot of charities and agencies will assist in times of need, particularly with new clients. People who normally pay their own way SHOULD be the first to receive aid in a situation like this. --67.43.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 1:45 PM
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She just got laid off this week and can't pay her rent this Friday? Shouldn't she already have the funds for this week? Seems odd to me. Most pay periods don't work that way. And, even if they did, she'd be out like one maybe two days of work?

Sounds like a "story" indeed, but ok.

I'm also very curious about David's question... You start the eviction paperwork then?

- John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 1:51 PM
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Zero tolerance will bite you now. You never horse traded before with a tenant-- well good luck.

Frankly our office has been discussing for a week how we're going to proceed with eh "gee I only worked 2 weeks this month" or "I can't pay the full rent next month on the first".

So if half of my 63 have problems-- boot them all for no tolerance or use my plan. Who can u put in the units--??? some booted out from their recent place? --99.103.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 1:53 PM
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My guess is the resident has no savings at all, they are completely paycheck to paycheck.

They probably get paid every Friday or every other Friday, and are on a payday rent plan. So, they get paid Friday, Brad drafts the account.

But, since they have been laid off, the pay on Friday will be short. Of course, if Brad drafts first on Friday, he may get paid and something else may not be paid.

Meanwhile, I hope this person has already gone in to sign up for unemployment and SNAP assistance. Those two take some time to process to start. --67.43.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 2:39 PM
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MYOB, please share some of your thoughts on how you will handle this. This has been on my mind. I think most of my residents are not in the hourly jobs that will disappear first. I do have some grad students and depending on university stipends and parent finances this may or may not be a concern. We began in 2011 so missed the 2007/2008 timeframe that I hear local landlords talk about that rents only just recovered to a few years ago. --73.17.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 2:40 PM
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Not yet, but I fear it will be happening soon.

Multiple restaurants have laid off employees. I have several tenants who are restaurant employees.

I haven't heard of casino resorts laying people off, but it is coming!

--71.222.xx.x




Covid= No rent (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 3:25 PM
Message:

You guys have no solutions for this.

To make things worse, if you have mortgages, the monthly payment has to be in on time, or else...

Option one: let them try to get funds from various charities. Good luck with that.

Option two: let tenant issue an I OWE YOU for this month's rent. Good luck with that. You know that you will never see this money.

Option three: post and mail a P or Q notice. Good luck with that. In some cities the courts already said NO EVICTION FOR COVID19 VICTIMS. At the same time, the courts will hold the LLs accountable for all maintenance and repairs needed to keep the houses habitable.

We need real help here!

--99.59.x.xxx




Covid= No rent (by CX [WA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 3:54 PM
Message:

Might have misunderstood but thought the POTUS last night said he was making resources ($$$) available to help small businesses encountering coronavirus-caused difficulties/losses.

Did anyone else hear it? We are considered small businesses, no?

So HANG IN THERE, help is on the way! --174.21.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Barbara [VA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 4:02 PM
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Yeah, I am a little suspicious over her as well.

The big problem for us is going to figure out who is legitimate with their circumstances being related to this disease and who is jumping on the opportunity to use the pandemic to cover their irresponsible behaviour. --174.255.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 4:05 PM
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CX WA,

The "help" will be in the form of a short term low interest LOANS - not grants. And they will come with hundreds of conditions.

As small time landlords, you will find out that you are all alone, forced to keep NON-PAYING tenants until further notice.

It's called redistribution of wealth, coming soon to your town.

AND, if you dream about property tax relief...keep on dreaming, because if you're late, and second payment is due early April, you better believe you'll have late fees and possible tax liens. --99.59.x.xxx




Covid= No rent (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 4:07 PM
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Maybe we will find out who bit off more than they can chew. --184.53.x.xxx




Covid= No rent (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 4:18 PM
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Main solution... Section 8 guaranteed rent. Govt rent check --107.139.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 4:23 PM
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WL,

True, but how many here have sec8 tenants?

I would think not that many. --99.59.x.xxx




Covid= No rent (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 4:26 PM
Message:

WL,

And those who have sec8 tenants will have to settle for what the govt pays only, and if their tenants pay the difference, they will now claim that they have no money. --99.59.x.xxx




Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 4:32 PM
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It's all hypothetical. I don't care why they lose their job. No rent, you're gone. Let's get back to reality here folks. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 4:42 PM
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Fortunately I'm prepared to weather this mess whether or not all of tenants can pay there rent on time & in full. However I do know a lot of LLs who will be in a very difficult spot if this lasts more than a month or two.

IMO as a result of this there might finally start to be some super deals on property for anyone who has the cash to make it happen. --71.174.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 5:32 PM
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I’m with NE and Steve. I don’t own a bunch of units, but what I do own I can pay for with or without tenants in them. --174.242.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Chris [VA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 5:38 PM
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Hmmm... our tenants all have good jobs - nurses, medical office staff, insurance agency, Ferguson plumbing metal fabricator, lumber yard manager, etc.

But if there were a problem, I think we would send pay or quits and file unlawful detainers as usual, but possibly reduce the hefty late fees we charge. Or maybe let them pay twice a month instead of paying everything on the 1st.

Maybe lease renewals would only increase $10/month, or something like that.

But I'm hoping this will blow over within the next couple of months. --71.246.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 5:40 PM
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I'm not so sure charities are going to be able to step in and help these renters who have lost their jobs and can't pay rent. They are talking about closing up the churches to prevent the spread of the disease. If that's the case, there will be very little money coming in to pay for the pastor and church expenses, let alone helping outsiders.

This has the potential to change people's lives and livelihoods. --73.25.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 5:46 PM
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It would be great if there are some good purchase deals on the horizon. Perfect timing with money being on sale. --24.147.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Natasha [MD]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 6:32 PM
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Preparation is key. We have been going electronic with our business for the last couple years as we work long distance remotely. We make sure rents are reasonable and most residents already have a budget. We want residents to feel they are getting a good deal in the beginning.

This covid has changed how we live and do business from now on and it is important to communicate quickly and effectively. Technology is key. We focus on good properties and pass the savings on to residents. Sure they might lose a job and can't pay rent but we move on and get a new resident. Also owning multi-units helps for economies of scale.

We haven't had any problems so far but I am not worried. Everything is temporary and with the right business model everything works out fine. They leave and another one comes along because we are priced right. --5.62.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 7:02 PM
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CX, I heard the same thing as you did last night. I do hope workers will get paid that get the virus or laid off because of the down turn in the economy due to the virus.

Things will get worse before they get better.

LL, will either have to practice ZT or work with tenants. --173.216.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Mike [TX]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 7:18 PM
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I think you need a better class of tenants or either learn how to screen.Seems like your days are filled with problems....always on here complaining. --73.166.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 8:32 PM
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Well, I sold one just in time and I'll hopefully be closing in the next couple of weeks. As far as the rooming house is concerned, I can get them out quickly on the one hand however, the potential for someone getting the virus and it spreading is greater, however, that's the case in MFH in general. In my area, MFH is generally a smaller rent and is more affordable and that can mean a far less steeper problem. Depending upon how bad things get will determine how I manage it. If there's a true pandemic, I may have to work with tenants. I can easily see schools closed and tenants forced to be off work to stay at home with kids, workplaces being shut down or folks getting infected and not being able to work at all. It really depends on how bad it is. If 80% truly have mild symptoms, it may not be so bad. The worst part of this is the economic fallout from quarantine efforts rather than the virus itself. --209.122.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 12, 2020 8:55 PM
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Supposedly there are jobs out there looking for people. They need to get online and find something or learn how to offer a service. Amazon has plenty of jobs and I don't see them losing people as it's safer to order online. Restaurants need to offer take out for people who don't want to go to stores or out to eat. Buy a rake and go offer spring cleanups. Stores will need stockers since the shelves are getting bare. Start a shopping service for people who are older who are not safe going out shopping. It's spring. Go work at a nursery for plants. Walk dogs. Paint fences. Sell stuff on Ebay to people who don't want to go to a store. Sell big size fashions for which there is a demand on Ebay. --173.61.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Lynn [MA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 7:09 AM
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The economy is definitely going to slow down. Tenants who work in restaurants, uber, hotel, airline industry and retail will be hit hardest. A lot of class b/c rentals. People will slow down their spending. I haven't over extended myself so I should be good but I do intend to see some tenants in trouble. I'd also be careful of buying more properties until this coronavirus is under control. We don't know how long it will last. --38.142.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 8:08 AM
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A few items we're doing. We are cutting back on maintenance visits except for life issue items. Stove not working toilet problems. Things that need --NEED to be working. Maintenance will be when no one is home or with only one person present to let man in.

Rent issues. Everyone will need to make AT LEAST HALF THE RENT on the first or close to it. Something must be paid or the court action will begin. Balance will be due based on situation and determination of manager-- part balance in 10 days- part in another 10 days. No late fees to be applied. This is for the first 2 months--- from the time they call with an issue. Our's are SFH's so the tenants don't speak to other residents of ours. This avoids the gee your doing this for them why not me? Reviewing the tenants hsitory and file is imperitive to determine how to proceed. No answer can be given without reviiew-- PERIOD. Don't put your foot in your mouth-- by JUMPING OUT THERE with a statement without considering all options.

No decision will be made without an updated employment form. No decision will be made without a copy of Residents last pay check. This will allow us to verify and update tenant info.

We have a vigorous collection side of or company so we are not worried about collecting in the future.

We have lease renewals with increases going out-- we are holding those and informing the leases holders that due to the economic environment we are holding rents steady-- giving breathing room-- until the situation is stabilized FOR EVERYONE.

To this point we have not had any calls. All rents were in by the 4th or 5th. We horse trade every months with tenants because we are in the business of profit. We don't fear the filig of court paperwork because we make income from that-- everything is considered an income stream. The phone rings on my desk and before picking it up I remind myself-- this has potential for profit. This will be a first-- just looking to break even. We don't want to be part of the problem people are facing-- we do need to sleep at night. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 8:39 AM
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Thank you MYOB for the information. I like the part about showing the paystub. I feel this is unprecedented and zero tolerance will not be a good choice for me. Jury trials in our county have been put on a 30 day hold. The only situation I had to draw on before was a family when the head of household got leukemia. We needed a partial payment or the welfare paperwork by the 5th and then the full amount of rent paid by the end of the month based on an agreed upon plan. This is going to be difficult situation all around. We use a local bank and they were in meetings yesterday. I needed something notarized and he brought up how the ripple effect of no games at Fenway Park impact the employees, hot dog vendors, food suppliers, parking lot income, restaurants, bars, souvenirs, clothing, etc for blocks around the stadium as one example. All of those people have rents and mortgages. The ramifications will be vast but hopefully the worst impact will be short term and then begin the slow economic rebuild. --73.17.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 8:56 AM
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This whole conversation is absolutely ridiculous. ( no offense Brad )

How are you as a landlord supposed to determine whether or not you are supposed to help someone affected by this? It's not my problem to shoulder the burden of a tenant who contracts coronavirus. Anymore than it is when they get cancer or hurt in a car crash or have a drug overdose or anything else.

If you help one regardless of a layoff from work or actually contracting the virus, that opens the door for you to have to help them all regardless of whether they get laid off now or in the future or contract some other sickness that affects their work.

This is the definition of panic.

And on the other hand, if it actually gets so bad that the majority of our tenants are sick and laid off from work and are unable to pay their rent, the last thing we need to be worrying about is actually collecting that rent. Because at that point it will have gotten so bad, that pretty much the entire society is going to be flipped on its head. And at that point who cares if they're paying their rent? Realistically.

This is ridiculous.

--50.32.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by tryan [MA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 9:20 AM
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Well my S8 looks really good now .... the little they pay is also backed by another guv'ment hand-out (SSI, SSDI, SS, welfare ...).

But the vacation rental is a crap shoot. Booked solid for the summer BUT they can cancel with 60 days notice. Have friend on Nantucket who would normally be booked solid by now. But is 50% booked. There will be some great deals on short notice vacation spots. --24.218.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by AJC [MA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 9:45 AM
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Zero Tolerance --100.0.xx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 12:36 PM
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I agree w/NE. If all of society is on lock down, doesn't matter what you want to do - we will be "told" what to do.

My motto for years has been "cash is king".

My ungarnishable social security and pension check tenants look really good if you are a doom and gloom prophet. --72.70.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Susan [MI]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 3:28 PM
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I keep no shifty tenants. All of my tenants are good hard working people. I will work with my tenants on a case by case basis and see what we can do together to weather this storm. Luckily I also have about 1/2 of my people who have income sources that won't be effected by this. That said, I always keep a healthy amount of backup cash in the bank at all times. You never know when something like this will hit. We had two months warning and I made sure I had enough in the bank to cover at least a couple of months of slim rents if the worst does happen. --97.84.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by KEVIN [OH]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 3:49 PM
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So is there any clarity on the idea that no evictions of non-paying tenants will be allowed due to Corona Virus related situations?

A tenant could potentially stay in a landlords property for a year or more without paying rent --50.4.xx.xx




Covid= No rent (by KEVIN [OH]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 3:49 PM
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So is there any clarity on the idea that no evictions of non-paying tenants will be allowed due to Corona Virus related situations?

A tenant could potentially stay in a landlords property for a year or more without paying rent --50.4.xx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 6:35 PM
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am in hotel business. we are slashing again to the bone as we did after 9.11....hours cut for hourly and no pay days off for salaried. if your long term renter hourly employees cannot pay rent it will be a judgment call. they can file for unemployment though. --107.77.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 7:40 PM
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Many of my tenants work at distribution centers, so I don't see them getting canned.

Ally, dog walkers are taking a hit because people are working from home.

Remember it's tax time. I recently filled against tenant and they are making payments w tax money that they wouldn't have thought of giving to the ll if I didn't hold ground.

If I have an upstanding long term tenant that hits a bump I will work w them if I can verify their situation. At some point though tenants have to regroup or downsize. --99.203.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 13, 2020 8:01 PM
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Don't pay, don't stay.

It's not my job to provide free housing to unemployed people.

I'd rather have an empty house than a house with a tenant living for free. At least there is no wear and tear on an empty house. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by PG [SC]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 9:30 AM
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For those of you that don't have a plan to address a loss of in come by a tenant via corona virus, illness, hurt and out of work or have a drug problem or whatever.

You may do well to study the 41 post and growing.

This post runs the the range from "work with the tenant" such as myob or don't pay don't stay oregon ws

For me work with the tenant is what I have used in the past. A couple of years ago I had a good tenant of mine that got caught in a company downsize - lost 40% of her pay - I heard about it from the grapevine - I called a face to face - she admitted that she could not afford the rent - I waived the breaking of the lease fee - gave her three months to find another place - she found a cheaper place in two months - she was paid up when she left - I had another renter in my house in three weeks.

Maybe I was lucky. --72.173.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 9:34 AM
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If they have coronavirus, I want them out asap and not coughing all over everything.

So no rent, you're out. For the greater good of me!

Except I don't know how I'll clean it at turnover with no Clorox wipes and paper towels available..... --50.32.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 9:37 AM
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NE and others (oh! but not you BRAD?)

You can figure out if you have a waiter or waitress or is tenant in an industry that is going to be effected. As a business person you SHOULD BE ABLE to figure it out.

Nowhere did I say live for free. Fact is I said half up front -- work on the balance.

Anyway good mix of comments and thinking. ) Is not for me and never has been.

Read Susan MI's post. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 10:20 AM
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I’m not a charity and practice zero tolerance. If they can’t pay the rent, it’s time to move to somewhere they can afford. If they lack the motivation, the sheriff will be happy to help them out in no more than 21 days.

Tenants problems are not my problems. My properties are mostly debt free and I’d still sleep like a baby if they were all empty. This lemming mentality panic that the media is spreading needs to stop. --73.177.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Susan [MI]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 10:25 AM
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Good luck evicting anyone. Our courthouse is closed for the most part. No eviction filings, no evictions. --97.84.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by orit [MI]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 11:48 AM
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This is life as we know it. Need to work with each person on an individual basis. Don't think the courts will evict so easily. Hopefully will have government assistance --98.250.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by orit [MI]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 11:48 AM
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This is life as we know it. Need to work with each person on an individual basis. Don't think the courts will evict so easily. Hopefully will have government assistance --98.250.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 12:54 PM
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For those who think it's easy to just evict when they don't receive rent on the 1st after the tenant just told you they lost their job or they have Covid 19 and can't go back to work for a few weeks, you've got another thing coming.

If you think you can simply immediately evict and not work with the tenant, you're not being realistic. Just try it and you will likely find yourself fighting a backlash when these people go public with the media.

If you think we have a bad reputation now as LLs, just wait until you refuse to work with them on a pandemic situation and see what hits the fan.

Some of you need a reality check. --73.25.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 1:03 PM
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JB, reality checks go both ways. If they stop "due process" (remember that?) due to this, then they have to stop it across the board, no exceptions.

Foreclosures, bills, car repairs, free groceries from the stores, etc.

If everything carries on and only landlords are left holding the bag, you'll see a rise in vigilantly evictions.

Once again, this is all hypothetical.

--50.32.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 2:34 PM
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Except, "they" don't have to do anything of the sort.

Like it or not, we are on the front lines, effecting people's lives as much more than nearly any other aspect of their lives (providing shelter).

Lenders and landlords will be the ones to suffer the brunt of this (at least initially). Unfortunately, that's what we signed up for when we took this gig.

We can claim "unfairness" all day long. And I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that is our reality, whether we like it or not. --73.25.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 6:36 PM
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NE, this is not all that hypothetical.

Miami-Dade County in Florida has already suspended evictions. And this is not the first county/city to suspend evictions. Very high chance more will follow.

www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article241127666.html?fbclid=IwAR00_IcRPDfhZtw8YXlg_k5mdOEgj6YargprVwAFp6J3Ok0Q4Wo0le8f6Ls --72.214.xx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 6:37 PM
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NE, this is not all that hypothetical.

Miami-Dade County in Florida has already suspended evictions. And this is not the first county/city to suspend evictions. Very high chance more will follow.

www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article241127666.html?fbclid=IwAR00_IcRPDfhZtw8YXlg_k5mdOEgj6YargprVwAFp6J3Ok0Q4Wo0le8f6Ls

--72.214.xx.xx




Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 6:55 PM
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Yes Jeffrey. Also apparently due to pre existing legislation.

Will this catch on nationwide? Idk. If it does in the next 2 weeks with everything else closed, it's a non issue. Beyond that, then there will be problems.

If it does, there will be more to worry about than eviction.

Where's our tipping point? If this is the new normal, when is it no longer worth it? --50.32.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2020 9:20 PM
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Even in my own area (and several others), courts are closed to the public for at least the next two weeks. All scheduled unlawful detainers / eviction/ posession hearings are postposed until after whenever the court reopens. --172.58.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 8:06 AM
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Got notice in our 10 county area the courts will be closed the next 30 days. No dipsos can be filed and all court cases have been postponed (yes even eviction cases) . Sheriff has just posted No Eviction Notices will be posted.

Would like to say and not with any joy-- this is why LL's must flex-- a ZERO Tolerance" although wonderful leaves you lacking in skills needed at this point in time. That is-- how do I get the tenant to pay? How much do I need to whether this? (You the owner) Can I carry a few debts?

--99.103.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 8:24 AM
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I think we're somewhat defending 2 different perspectives here.

The courthouses closing in their entirety vs a ban on evictions are 2 different things.

A courthouse closed affects court proceedings, tax assessment, deed recording, judgement recording, probation, children and youth, veteran admin, etc. ok, no big deal. That makes sense in any crisis.

That's totally different than a mayor or governor saying "no evictions" and not including all the other government duties in that statement.

The response to each scenario is different as well. Courthouses being closed entirely leaves us with the solution of saying "Ok Mr Tenant, we will be filing eviction as soon as the courthouse reopens."

The other scenario that says no EVICTIONS during the pandemic or as a result of covid infections is TOTALLY different. In that scenario, landlords are left with no solution.

Maybe insurance due to the situation? That I don't know and should check due to the potential loss of rents

Having a charity lined up to suggest to a tenant for rent isn't going to amount to a hill of beans if they know they won't get evicted anyway due to corona.

In this situation, landlords are going to be left standing there with their teeth in their mouth and their lip sticking out. No solutions.

--50.32.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 12:51 PM
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NE not sure I can agree with your post.

First if your a ZERO Tolerance-- on day 2 aren't you at the court evicting? With court closed you can't do that for at least 30 days.

If your a tolerance person and have been practicing negotiating you can "muddle" along filling your coffer and not waiting on court.

Courthouse closing--- how do you file for eviction on 2nd if the office in the courthouse isn't open for 30 days?

NE I'm confused by your differentiation on these two points.

Here in our jurisdiction the court and sheriff are one. Sheriff is located in the courthouse and responsible for guarding it-- managing it and servicing all warrants -- civil and criminal.

I did find out that our county is only closed til the 31st-- not a full month. So for now business as usual come the 1st.

--99.103.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 12:58 PM
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MYOB, you can still practice zero tolerance by filing the first day that you can legally go into the courthouse because the courthouse is opened.

This is an a zero tolerance discussion from my standpoint. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 2:41 PM
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myob, am I missing something. For me, I don't see this as an either do one or the other strategy.

I prefer to conduct a Zero Tolerance policy (at least as soon as the court permits me).

And ALSO, practice negotiating (to use your terms) to get as much as I can, as soon as I can, with the hopes that t is all paid by the time the sheriff shows up to do the eviction. Of course the goal will be for the resident to have all the funds paid (or promissory notes by third party agencies received) by the actual eviction date or the eviction will go through.

I recognize that in some states, if a landlord accepts partial payment the eviction process must be restarted. In those states, that would complicate things and may make employing both strategies at the same time difficult, if not impossible.

However, there are still many states, like mine, where that is not the case. I can accept partial payments and still go through with eviction on the original eviction date. So for me, it has worked best by employing both strategies. Even if I end up doing the eviction (whenever I eventually can) I still have more money than I would otherwise. But in most of my cases, resident is able to pay all due by the eviction date, including late, administrative and legal fees.

Of course, the question of whether to enforce all the additional fees during this time period is a topic for another whole discussion. --70.161.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 3:08 PM
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am in hotel business. we are slashing payrolls. even salaried will take unpaid days off. we will pay our hourly employees earned vacation even though cash flow is hammered. this is worse than 9.11 and 2008-2009. we will give emergency loans to hourly employees so they can make April rents. I will be deferring rent payments for my renters who have lost income bc of cut hours even though they can file unemployment for the shortfall in hours & pay. I look at long term. all my renters 2-3-4-5 years. I can absorb the temporary hit. no point in kicking renters out for circumstances beyond their control...how you going to find a qualified replacement in this economic environment. we are in for a very sharp recession. I will carry my renters through a month or so instead of kicking them out and trying to re-rent for 3-4 mos. that makes more financial sense to me. I suppose I could do a pay back with caveat that deposits will go to unpaid April rent...I don’t sweat the down turns... --107.77.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 3:09 PM
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If the courts were to close in MA completely, I personally will operate per usual. If I don’t receive rent by the 3rd I will issue a 14 day notice (per MA law), When the court resumes I would file. As Jeffery stated, in MA I can still accept partial payment and it doesn’t stop the process, provided I communicate to the tenant (in writing) that it is for “use and occupancy”. Also I agree with NE, there is a difference between the courts being closed for ALL MATTERS and a State temporarily banning evictions for a period of time due to COVID-19. --72.93.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 3:17 PM
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Pmh, you had said, “no point in kicking renters out for circumstances beyond their control”, does that just apply to COVID-19, or if any of your tenants cannot make rent for circumstances out of their control? What happens if you have a tenant that’s income is not affected by this virus, but falls down a flight of stairs and breaks their leg and is unable to work? --72.93.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 3:44 PM
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good question JKJ. and same question could have been asked post 9.11 and after the economic implosion. I was just saying what MY approach is. And that is to work with my renters who are having a hard time bc of circumstances beyond their control. Is my approach the answer for everyone. no. but it is the approach that has worked for me several times before. and that is why o have only had to evict one time in 30 years in the biz and why ALL my rentals have been referrals and one day turns. So I look at it: YOU can evict for no pay April and go down 1-2-3 mos for a replacement or I can forgo one month and keep them for another year or more.. --107.77.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 3:55 PM
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to answer your question which I did not: if they fall down a flight of stairs then they still pay or quit. my philosophy is they should have been more careful going down the stairs or If stairs were cause of fall then owner pays.rent still paid (albeit with proceeds) There is NO such thing as an accident: there is either negligence or not. the economic crash that is now happening is something that can be controlled by your average renter. They will lose hours & pay. That is why I am more flexible at looking at big picture. --107.77.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Jkj [MA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 4:17 PM
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Pmh, There are plenty of things out of a tenants control that could prevent them from paying rent that are not “preventable”. I wasn’t questioning your policy, I was looking for clarification, is your policy just for those impacted by this virus, or do you work with all your tenants if a situation arises that is out of their control and they are unable to pay rent? --72.93.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 4:30 PM
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I get your gist. I worked my way at 3 jobs through college. so I usually accept no reasons to not pay rent. however. when we have a national emergency I am more understanding to my tenants not being able to pay rent. tomorrow we will slash employees hours to the bone. all I I am saying is be flexible if able. That is my approach in life and as a LL and look at big picture. obviously does not work for everyone but I think if any LL is going to evict April then goiod luck finding a May renter... --107.77.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Jeffrey [VA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 4:54 PM
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Pmh, I'm glad your strategy as worked well for you. I applaud you on the number of years with so few evictions.

What concerns ne though for other landlords in general is your last statement:

" if any LL is going to evict April then good luck finding a May renter.."

That sounds to me like you are most concerned about losing a resident because you are fearful that you will not be able to find a replacement in the near future.

This should not be about "luck". When landlords are doing effective marketing they should not have to be fearful about losing a resident. Many landlords, in fact, put up with sub par residents for a long time out of fear they can't replace them. And because of it, their overall cash flow and peace of mind suffers.

A vacancy can often be a good thing, if a landlord knows how to market well. I know the current situation may make things a little more challenging, but even now I continue to get qualified inquiries of people willing to pay me more than what some of my current residents are paying. So I do not feel held hostage to any of my current residents.

Even though I may direct residents to options to help them come up with the rent due, I have no problem evicting someone when I can. I surely will not be keeping them based on fear of not being able to get another one. --70.161.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 4:55 PM
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when rent isn't paid by the 3rd for example we don't run and file. A Call is made and generally the tenant (95% of the time) has at least half. So our option is we will hold off filing the dispo if half is tendered. The stipulations are either balance in 7 days or 10 and all fees by 15 days. If they pay as agreed no dispo filed and no court cost. If they miss the negotiated payment-- then dispo is taken out-- BUT NOT FOR FULL RENT- only portion thats missing. At this point many try to pay something but they're informed that once the dispo has been filed the TOTAL amount must be made. Please realize at this point -- we are now into the month. So if they don't pay and we file for the dispo-- they will answer-and at the last second-- AKA 7 days. Now when they answer the court date is almost 100% of the time after the first of the next month-- when the first rolls around we amend the dispo to now include the next months rent. WHY because rent for the next 30 days hasn't been paid and is due. So in the final they now owe-- through a judgment the next months rent along with the portion of the previous month outstanding.

Our state does not allow any of the amount owed on the dispo to be collect and if you take a penny you can not do the set out -- but must start over. We've had many come running up with total payment in the middle of set out. When they come that late they must also have the set out crew fee of 675.00. No! we do not put the stuff back into the house we just stop. Sheriff told me last time you know next month you'll be back out here. Well maybe so-- but i'm in the rent business not the set um out business.

My hope is: that i'll eventually have an 8K or 12K collection account that i'm drawing on-- or someone who doesn't want a garnishment on their check to pay the 5600.00 they owe or 3500. Once the next months rent is added to the upcoming court hearing-- and remember there is a court hear because the tenant answered-- once they answered even if they don't show up in court-- there's a judgment-- they knew about court and THEY didn't come.

sorry but this is a long process and hard to put proper steps to in writing. Hope it was clear?

--99.103.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2020 6:42 PM
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Suddenly the fixed-income folks who pay faithfully on the first or third aren't looking so bad even though they aren't garnishable. --107.77.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Mar 16, 2020 6:11 PM
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good points VA. I look at it long term. All my houses average 2-3-4 years and all have been re rented to referrals by departing tenants (job relocation, graduated, bought a hse) the only time I have a house down is for a quick rehab...I still have the referrals waiting to move in. I am not worried about vacancies...i was a renter once, and yes, shacked up with my gf (now wife)...so I have a more open mind. To my niche mkt for sure. I know my approach will not work for many here. However, I do think it behooves some here to recognize we are all in a very difficult situation unlike any other time b4. we are closing hotels & restaurants and slashing hourly and salaried and sometimes it is better long term to work with those affected by this new implosion which has no ending in sight. Maybe defer rent and paid back incrementally (?) I will be adjusting rents down for April and probably May. I look at it as a cooperative situation but I sure wish trump will quit giving news conferences...I lose $ on my stock holdings every time.... --107.77.xxx.xx




Covid= No rent (by Beth [KS]) Posted on: Mar 17, 2020 5:54 AM
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We just had our first resident call saying they were laid off from their food service job and can’t pay. I know this guy has a legitimate problem but of course he has been fairly consistently late in paying rent. Although all of our houses are paid off we still don’t generally want to rent for free. That being said, this is an international crisis and we will all have to make adjustments to get through it.

I am so happy to have the Mr Landlord Q and A resource here to get feedback on what other LL’s are doing. I think we will let this guy know he must pay half each month with the other half payable in the future. Thanks so much for all your opinions. We appreciate it so much. --174.70.xxx.x




Covid= No rent (by Susan [MI]) Posted on: Mar 17, 2020 8:24 AM
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Got my first call yesterday as well. Rent is still owed, may not be payable right away but I'm not lowering rents. No way to evict right now anyway so I will work with my tenants. --68.188.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2020 5:51 PM
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Today is March 19, exactly one week after my original post.

MY MY how the world has changed in a week!

Indiana governor announced today -No eviction or foreclosure action until May. Other court action such as collections are already pushed into June.

Like My opening remarks, take a moment to review your residents' work and anticipate who might have trouble. Yes restaurant workers are hit but so are city bus drivers.

NO ONE is immune to the economic effect of the pandemic.

Me: move those in trouble to PayDay (weekly) rents. Easier to come up with $210 than $800.

Those who contact us will get a reply about our need for painters, housekeepers, and light construction help. Pizza shops need delivery drivers - pays cash. Average $15 per hour.

Reminder to borrow from family and friends, and that late fees continue.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Orit [MI]) Posted on: Mar 19, 2020 7:59 PM
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We have a judgment that was supposed to be paid in full today. Nothing. This is non corona related but looks like she will be staying for free until May. or June. Nothing we can do.... --98.250.xxx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: Mar 23, 2020 2:19 AM
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About the time of Brad[20,000]'s original post, Chicago's Cook County court system was shut down until March 31st. Since then, Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart, the ever-so caring progressive he is, unilaterally declared he wouldn't honor any process of service or eviction orders until after April 30th (... And most of us fretted about Seattle's Winter Eviction Moratorium!). On my end, I have started questioning my tenants about their status. So far, about 10% have been laid off so far. This pulse-check process will be on-going. --174.221.x.x




Covid= No rent (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: Mar 23, 2020 11:28 AM
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Today, the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter because of shutdowns to combat the coronavirus, with an unprecedented 50% drop in gross domestic product.

In summary, read this as the set standard on what to expect from our total rental house holdings (those rentals with shared roommates, with each contributing to the rent should be scrutinized on an individual basis), and with the economy as a whole. --174.221.x.x




Covid= No rent (by JulesKY [KY]) Posted on: Mar 23, 2020 9:59 PM
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As the reality of this situation has become worse, I've had 2 tenants contact me last week expressing concern about not being able to pay rent. We drafted a letter and texted it to every tenant assuring them that we will work with them thru this difficult time, that they can contact us for special payment arrangements, and that late fees will not be charged. Our city also put a moratorium on evictions and I think that is the right thing to do. The tenants that have contacted us so far were more than happy to pay at least 1/2 the rent (they have to put some skin in the game!), and we'll work with them to get the balance. This is a stressful time for us all and we need to concentrate on staying well and safe. We are all in this together, and our business works best when it's a win-win for everyone.

--74.132.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Mick [CA]) Posted on: Mar 24, 2020 8:05 AM
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I haven’t heard anything from my tenants yet. When I review my security cameras, I can see that the people with jobs are still leaving at their normal work times. The majority of my tenants are S8 , so no worries about the go by not paying — yet. I have one tenant in a SFH who works for a hotel, so he would be my only concern. --184.176.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by Karmen [OR]) Posted on: Mar 26, 2020 2:17 AM
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We live and work in Oregon.

In this situation, with Massive stores, Restaurants, hotels closings, people laid off, The City of Portland enacted Eviction Moratorium, initially through month of April, but now for 90 days, by the Governor. We are close to full Shut down.

We ceased accepting any applications, any advertising and visiting apartments in Emergency only. Strict social distancing!

Moratorium states Rent and utilities (usually paid to landlord) collectivelly called rent, with re payment plan in 6 months, no late fees to be charged.

We are all together on this rocking boat in extraordinary Times, we and residents.

The NMHC suggests landlords and apartment firms consider adopting the following principles to help America’s renters retain their housing during this crisis.

No. 1 – Halt evictions for 90 days for those who can show they have been financially affected by the COVID-19 pandemic. (This would not apply to evictions for other lease violations, such as property damage, criminal activity or endangering the safety of other residents of the community.)

No. 2 – Avoid rent increases for 90 days to help residents weather the crisis.

No. 3 – Create payment plans for residents who are unable to pay their rent because of the outbreak, and waive late fees for those residents.

No. 4 – Identify governmental and community resources to help residents secure food, financial assistance and healthcare, and share that information with residents.

No. 5 – Communicate to residents that it is a priority for the industry to partner with them to help them retain their housing.

No. 6 – Develop a response plan for potential COVID-19 exposure.

Lengthy but thought to share.

--76.115.xx.xxx




Covid= No rent (by mike [CA]) Posted on: Mar 27, 2020 2:38 PM
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i was worrying about the rents yesterday and sent a "feeler" out to see where the folks were on getting me rent on time. let's remember we are in the FIRST few weeks of this silliness...not month five. i sent a quick reminder that when they mail me the rent this month to use tape not spit on the envelope.

this was a reminder that i want rent. all replied they would.

IF the rents do not arrive timely i WILL be at their door with my hand out for what they have AND a promissory note AND a check for the balance. anyone giving ANY pushback will get the dutch uncle advisory that they are making a BAD decision. the hacks in DC have started the plan to drop cash from helicopters and i want that cash from the lumps that will be getting. ALL my tenants are on month to month's so if they get chesty they will get the door as soon as it is convenient for me --66.27.xxx.xxx





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