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OT math problem (by Ann [MA]) Feb 24, 2020 8:30 AM
       OT math problem (by plenty [MO]) Feb 24, 2020 8:55 AM
       OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Feb 24, 2020 9:04 AM
       OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Feb 24, 2020 9:09 AM
       OT math problem (by WMH [NC]) Feb 24, 2020 9:14 AM
       OT math problem (by myob [GA]) Feb 24, 2020 10:24 AM
       OT math problem (by Steve [MA]) Feb 24, 2020 11:16 AM
       OT math problem (by Rick [IN]) Feb 24, 2020 11:42 AM
       OT math problem (by myob [GA]) Feb 24, 2020 12:34 PM
       OT math problem (by ANN [MA]) Feb 24, 2020 12:46 PM
       OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Feb 24, 2020 1:09 PM
       OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Feb 24, 2020 1:18 PM
       OT math problem (by Robert J [CA]) Feb 24, 2020 4:02 PM
       OT math problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Feb 24, 2020 5:56 PM
       OT math problem (by ANN [MA]) Feb 24, 2020 6:19 PM
       OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Feb 24, 2020 6:31 PM
       OT math problem (by Ed [PA]) Feb 24, 2020 6:35 PM
       OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Feb 24, 2020 6:43 PM
       OT math problem (by DJ [VA]) Feb 24, 2020 7:07 PM
       OT math problem (by Smokowna [MD]) Feb 24, 2020 8:26 PM
       OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Feb 24, 2020 10:52 PM
       OT math problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Feb 25, 2020 12:16 AM
       OT math problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Feb 25, 2020 12:16 AM
       OT math problem (by DON [PA]) Feb 25, 2020 12:52 AM
       OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Feb 25, 2020 7:50 AM
       OT math problem (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Feb 25, 2020 7:53 AM
       OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Feb 25, 2020 11:33 AM
       OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Feb 25, 2020 11:40 AM
       OT math problem (by Wilma [PA]) Feb 25, 2020 1:39 PM
       OT math problem (by Tom [ME]) Feb 25, 2020 2:53 PM
       OT math problem (by Carl [MA]) Feb 25, 2020 4:35 PM
       OT math problem (by Steve [MA]) Feb 25, 2020 5:11 PM
       OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Feb 26, 2020 1:09 AM
       OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Feb 26, 2020 1:21 AM
       OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Feb 26, 2020 1:30 AM
       OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Feb 26, 2020 8:57 AM
       OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Feb 26, 2020 5:50 PM
       OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Feb 27, 2020 12:07 PM
       OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Feb 27, 2020 12:10 PM
       OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Feb 27, 2020 5:09 PM
       OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Feb 27, 2020 10:30 PM
       OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Feb 28, 2020 11:33 AM
       OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Feb 28, 2020 11:35 AM
       OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Feb 28, 2020 5:51 PM
       OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Feb 28, 2020 6:18 PM
       OT math problem (by Nellie [ME]) Feb 28, 2020 7:24 PM
       OT math problem (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Feb 29, 2020 8:10 PM
       OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Mar 1, 2020 5:45 PM
       OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Mar 2, 2020 7:07 AM
       OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Mar 2, 2020 7:23 AM


OT math problem (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 8:30 AM
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OK I'm confused, and my calculator doesn't go that high and the zeros has me flummoxed,..

Anyone can divide 32000000000000 (is that 32 trillion? )

by 138 million? --96.236.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 8:55 AM
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Not me but Vee can do that Math in his head! Vee? --99.203.xx.xx




OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 9:04 AM
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I didn't know you kept this much in your checking account.

You really don't need a calculator for this.

1. remove 9 zeros from the 32 T and from the 138 M.

2. Now divide 32,000 : 138.

3. I get 231.884 and some change. What did you get?

4. Now add the 9 zeros you dropped in #1.

5. Result: 231.884 Million plus change.

Ann, you rely on a calculator too much. --99.59.x.xxx




OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 9:09 AM
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Ann MA,

Now tell me why you asked this question. --99.59.x.xxx




OT math problem (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 9:14 AM
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Funny I was trying to do similar math yesterday. Thanks for the tip, Fred.

Trying to figure out all the numbers politicians are throwing around. --50.82.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 10:24 AM
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OMG-- really?

won't say what grade that was taught in. --99.103.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 11:16 AM
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Looks like she might be trying to estimate her share of the National debt. --71.174.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Rick [IN]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 11:42 AM
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Steve(MA) your close, it's what comrade Bernie Sander's economic give away chaos, er, ah, "plan" will cost :(

myob(GA) I think we went to the same school, or at least the same time period. --68.51.xx.x




OT math problem (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 12:34 PM
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Rick next thing we'll be moving decimal points two or 3 places in division.

No not the decimals in the dewey decimal system either. --99.103.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by ANN [MA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 12:46 PM
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OK thats right,..Bernie's projection of what Medicare for all will cost,

So I believe he project 32 trillion a YEAR? * I also believe we have about 138 million tax payers(?)

So Fred,..can that be right, Of course he is saying that it will SAVE as we are not dealing with Ins companies but I can't believe the figures I got?

*Of course government projects always operate w/o over runs,.. --96.236.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 1:09 PM
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OK Ann,

Sanders is a person who has been living on somebody else's money for 78 years. He is power hungry and will do everything to get it before the "big one hits him".

Just on the last 60 minutes, A. Copper (another genius) asked him: How much are these promises going to cost?

Sanders answered dismissingly: I don't know and I wouldn't bother with nickels and dimes.

So let's see the facts: If he took all the money in the world to pay for his plans, he would still be short, AND everybody will be poor (except Bernie). --99.59.x.xxx




OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 1:18 PM
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And another thing: How is it fair that he would erase all students debts, when he wouldn't refund my tuition and fees for my university studies?

And more: I would want him to refund all the mortgage payments I have made in my life (close to 8,000).

Am I wrong?

--99.59.x.xxx




OT math problem (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 4:02 PM
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Are you trying to figure out next years national debt (32 Trillion Dollars) based on the presidential candidates economic proposals? You know, free college, free housing, free food, free medical and attorney's for criminals.

All being accomplished by taxing those work, save and invest for freeloaders that spend, waste and abuse (drugs, booze and nicotine). --47.156.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 5:56 PM
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Fred, you are close, but you did it wrong.

138 million is 138,000,000 -- you are only removing 6 zeros to get 138, not nine.

I think a trillion is one million million, so to do the math, you first divide 32 trillion and 138 million by one million. That leaves you with 32 million divided by 138. (32 million divided by 138 equals 1 million times (32/138).

So you get 1 million times 0.231884. The answer is 231,884.

Fred, because you divided both the numerator and the denominator by 9 zeros, you don't have to add those nine zeros back in. They cancelled each other out.

--71.222.xx.x




OT math problem (by ANN [MA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 6:19 PM
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So Bernie is saying Medicare for all (not the national debt) will cost 32 Trillion/year? EACH year? So that a debt of

231,884. EACH year to the people in this country that are taxpayers? How can that be considered? --96.236.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 6:31 PM
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I think UK billions and US billions are different. although I am a LL either way I can’t afford it. nor can my kids. not their kids and nor can their kids 20 generations from after I die. so it’s all good after that. something less for me to worry about now... --107.77.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Ed [PA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 6:35 PM
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We will save the health care premiums. If my premiums hold at $12,000 per year and my share of this new debt is $231,884 then I'll be paid off in a little over 19 years. --71.112.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 6:43 PM
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I get confused on previous president math: premiums & deductibles will not change & you can stay with your providers.... ALL our doctors opted out..... --107.77.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 7:07 PM
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My head hurts! LOL! --68.10.xxx.x




OT math problem (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 8:26 PM
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Who is paying for the health care now? --74.96.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2020 10:52 PM
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Mike45 NV,

Good catch.

In other words, only Bernie can add the 9 zeros back and we couldn't?

Hahaha.

Between Bernie and AOC they are spending (in their dreams) about 150 T. --99.59.x.xxx




OT math problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 12:16 AM
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Use the calculator in your phone. It handles all the zeros. However it still can't prove Bernie's plan is feasible. --108.69.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 12:16 AM
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Use the calculator in your phone. It handles all the zeros. However it still can't prove Bernie's plan is feasible. --108.69.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by DON [PA]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 12:52 AM
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Fred, you are incorrect.

32,000,000,000,000

-------------------

138,000,000

32,000,000 x 1,000,000

----------------------

138 x 1,000,000

cancel out 1,000,000 top and bottom

32,000,000

-----------

138

231,884

--73.141.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 7:50 AM
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DON PA,

How about Sanders and AOC - are they correct?

Would you trust them handling our, our children, our grandchildren and our grand grandchildren Trillions?

The point of this posting is: You can't even trust them counting a few votes in IA, and not how to divide many zeros by many zeros. --99.59.x.xxx




OT math problem (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 7:53 AM
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PERSPECTIVE

USA annual economy is ~$22 Trillion

USA annual federal taxation is ~$4 Trillion

USA expenditure for health care by all sources is ~$3.5 Trillion

If I recall my 40 year old college Economic degree reminds me that the private sector Multiplier is somewhere around 18% and the public sector multiplier is around 6%

Money left in the hands of the people does much better than the money taken from their pockets and given to Govt --24.62.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 11:33 AM
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I love how a bunch of people who can't do math (except for Mike45, of course) are arguing about the math involved in healthcare.

Seriously -- if you can't even do a simple division problem, are you really the best person to think you know and understand the incredibly complex healthcare system and how to spend that money?

None of this is as easy as being implied. It is a complex issue that can't easily be seen as black-or-white. Again, especially by people that have trouble with basic division...

- John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 11:40 AM
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Note that, for those that actually look into this more than just complaining about Bernie... You'd see that this comes not from a direct look at Bernie's plan, but to a recent study that looked at something SIMILAR -- and that study determined that it would cost 32T OVER TEN YEARS. That's about 3.2T per year.

This is for a system that would mean no premiums nor deductibles for American households. So, the same exact study's final determination was that it would actually SAVE people about $886B over the same ten years. And that includes covering the more than 32,000,000 people that don't have ANY insurance currently.

Whether or not middle-class people would end up saving money under that plan is still a matter of debate, of course. Because, again, it is a very complex issue and not a simple math problem as some people seem to want to imply.

- John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 1:39 PM
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Hubby and I watched part of the most recent Dem debates. As more and more huge numbers were thrown around, my math/physics guy started chuckling. "They haven't a clue as to how meaningless this all is!"

--108.2.xx.xx




OT math problem (by Tom [ME]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 2:53 PM
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Use scientific notation:

1.38 X 10(to the 6th power). Etc. --98.11.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by Carl [MA]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 4:35 PM
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Well john math aside, most people can't wrap their heads around such large figures. Analogies MAY help a bit, A single trillion dollars laid end to end would go 4 million miles past the sun or about about 97 million miles.

I see where the 32 trillion dollars as been back tracked a bit. to between 32 to 40 trillion ,... frankly I don't trust the government to run anything will stick to projections. Just one project,.. Our Big Dig program that you all have contributed to was supposed to cost 2.3 billion but officially it's about 15 billion but state officials say that altogether it will be more than 24 billion.

And the fact they are projecting some of it ten years out,..again not sure I trust that weather report.

Just A billion dollars laid end to end will wrap about 3.8 times around the earth,... Chump change,

A trillion seconds ago is about 32thousand years, Sabertooth tigers were around.

And I don't know about you but other Drs that I know hate current Medicare and won't take pts under that, Some take limited amount of their pt load as Medicare pts, depending on their area and how much time they can spend on them.

If its run anything like Medicaid,..within 20 miles of here we have according to a couple of acquaintances have ONE dentist in about 20 miles of Northampton Ma. No other dentists will take them (their claim, I haven't checked but they are usually very believable.

I also hear from some Medicare pts who feel that they get a substandard version of medical care. This from a neighbor that is a recently retired Othopod. --96.236.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Feb 25, 2020 5:11 PM
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Visualizing a Trillion: Just How Big That Number Is?

For people who can visualize one million dollars, the comparison made on CNN should give you an idea about a trillion - “if you start spending a million dollars every single day since Jesus was born, you still wouldn’t have spend a trillion dollars”.

Another mathematician puts it like this: “1 million seconds is about 11.5 days, 1 billion seconds is about 32 years while a trillion seconds is equal to 32,000 years“.

A bundle of $100 notes is equivalent to $10,000 and that can easily fit in your pocket. 1 million dollars will probably fit inside a standard shopping bag while a billion dollars would occupy a small room of your house.

With this background in mind, 1 trillion (1,000,000,000,000) is 1000 times bigger than 1 billion and would therefore take up an entire football field -

--71.174.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Feb 26, 2020 1:09 AM
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Pmh,coming from the North of Ireland,I just couldn’t comprehend those numbers,too much of an overload for the old noggin to wrap around.Doesnt matter if $ or. Łs...............Charlie............mabey pounds shillings and Pence. would be more logical?..............................No still not logical.......... --32.214.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Feb 26, 2020 1:21 AM
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Still too much of an overload............Cjo’hagan....................................Ta an Tanim atar ugum Catal...................................... --32.214.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Feb 26, 2020 1:30 AM
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L of the bugs.Still too much of an overload for the poor phone!charlie!......................... --32.214.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 26, 2020 8:57 AM
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Yes, some doctors hate Medicaid. But, you know what the people that actually PROCESS insurance at doctor's office hate even more? The insane system that is currently used to bill dozens and dozens and dozens of different private insurance companies that each have dozens and dozens of different plans and options. My wife does this for a living. The hoops she has to jump through for many insurance policies -- which, again, differ significantly depending on the company -- are crazy.

The amount of time and money spent dealing with dozens of private insurance companies is a huge cost. A single-payer system would resolve most of this (even completely ignoring "Healthcare for All" stuff).

Some quick surveys out there will show that the #1 reasons that doctors don't want to deal with Medicaid is because their payment rates are lower. This is a GOOD thing, not a BAD thing. This is one of the main problems with our private insurance system. We pay more for prescription costs than any other nation. We pay more for most services than most other nations. Our current system has done a great job of keeping costs very high.

That is why doctor's done like Medicaid. Not mainly because it is poorly run, but because they don't fall into the trap of overpaying as much as the others do.

Again, it is a highly complex issue that is not easily resolved. But I can at least acknowledge that the current system does not work well for many people. And I can compare our system to other nations with systems that seem to work better -- and see room for improvement.

- John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Feb 26, 2020 5:50 PM
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John: perhaps you should learn how healthcare is run in countries with govt control... for example: the death panels in the uk which restrict access. eg if you are too old to qualify for a liver transplant. I think I have mentioned b4 my own experience with national healthcare system ..perhaps a tax deduction for medical premiums but I for one will always want to control my own access to healthcare providers. --107.77.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2020 12:07 PM
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Yeah, that is mostly a bunch of bunk pushed by those that want to fear Universal Healthcare.

I'm half-Canadian and my mother grew up there and lives there still today. She is an RN. She loves their universal healthcare compared to the USA. There are no "death panels." She does not have to wait months to see a doctor. Those are mostly stories told to scare people in the USA.

Also, just to note it, there are lots of private USA insurance companies today that would also deny you that liver transplant...

- John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2020 12:10 PM
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Also, note that we ALREADY have "death panels" here when it comes to people that can't afford insurance or their huge deductibles that are often required so that they can afford it! Those people already can't get a liver transplant because of their $2000-$5000 deductible! We're already letting people die using our current system!

Trying to say that rich people won't get a liver transplant under a Universal system because of "death panels" is ignoring the thousands of poor people that can't get one right now!

- John...

--67.209.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2020 5:09 PM
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likewise we should not believe the “bunk” pushed by those who want a united system but who do not know how it really works...I think the VA system is closest comparable...ask a vet how it works for them.... --107.77.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Feb 27, 2020 10:30 PM
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John in Mitchigan,whereabouts in Canada,used to live in Brockville,probably should have stayed there,...........Charlie.......no doubt about it!.................... --32.214.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2020 11:33 AM
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PMH: The issue is that none of the existing USA examples do not really do anything about affecting the problem of private insurance. So, it isn't a good comparison to go "See how the VA system sucks?"

But, I'm going to leave it at that. No use arguing politics here. My main point is simply that it is MUCH MORE COMPLEX than just a simple math problem as was originally implied.

- John...

--154.27.xx.xxx




OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2020 11:35 AM
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Cjo’h: Ridgeway, Ontario. Tiny little one-light town about 30 minutes from Niagara Falls. Near Crystal Beach. Went through an interesting transition because, when I was a kid, Crystal Beach was an amusement park (similar to Six Flags or Cedar Point) that brought in TONS of tourists. So, the area was supported by that. Then, about 30 years ago, it closed and the economy dropped and things fell into disrepair.

Then, about 15 years ago, a real estate developer started building condos on the land -- since it was on the water. Took another 5-10 years, but now the area is high-end, luxury rentals and the economy has finally returned.

But it took a good 25 years for it to recover from that amusement park closing.

- John...

--154.27.xx.xxx




OT math problem (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2020 5:51 PM
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John. You are in your own hole & believe the little you know of how it really works. Being a “half canadian” does not justify your lack of knowledge..though it may explain it.. // --107.77.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2020 6:18 PM
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My mention of the half-Canadian was only to give some information about me having a mother -- who lives there and both USES their healthcare system and WORKS within it as an RN.

I didn't say I was an expert. I said that it is generally false when people suggest that other country's programs don't work or have death panels and so on.

You've explained nothing about why you think it won't work really. Almost all other 1st world countries seem to be able to do it and their people mostly DO LIKE IT. That's all I've said here. I didn't pretend to be an expert like so many above did -- who can't even do simple math...

- John...

--154.27.xx.xxx




OT math problem (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Feb 28, 2020 7:24 PM
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My GP has an increasingly long list of insurance companies he does not participate with. It began with Medicare/Medicaid but he has been adding to the list. I think he is around 10 or 12 now. --70.105.xxx.xxx




OT math problem (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Feb 29, 2020 8:10 PM
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John,

I used to go up there to watch Hamilton CFL games when the NFL wasn't playing. You a fan of the CFL? --24.101.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 1, 2020 5:45 PM
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Nope, sorry. Not a sports fan. I was into computers at that age, not sports -- and my body at the time clearly showed it! :)

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Mar 2, 2020 7:07 AM
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Never was a big sports fan, but did make it to the Forum in Montreal a few times to watch the Canadians wallop the BlueJays,that was before Kurt Mueller took over as assistant Coach...........Charlie..............me can’t even stand up on skates......... --32.214.xxx.xx




OT math problem (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Mar 2, 2020 7:23 AM
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Canada was beautiful,especially watching the ships sailing down theSaint Lawrence on their way to their home port in Europe for the winter and dodging the Islands in the Thousands Island AreaVery Peaceful......Charlie........Aue Rewau........................ --32.214.xxx.xx





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