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Prospect Home Inspections (by Jeff [CO]) Sep 7, 2019 7:09 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by OPM [OR]) Sep 7, 2019 7:47 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Sep 7, 2019 7:49 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by DJM [NY]) Sep 7, 2019 7:55 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Ken [NY]) Sep 7, 2019 7:59 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by DJ [VA]) Sep 7, 2019 8:04 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Sep 7, 2019 8:09 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by NE [PA]) Sep 7, 2019 8:18 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by NE [PA]) Sep 7, 2019 8:20 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Sep 7, 2019 8:23 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Jeff [CO]) Sep 7, 2019 9:12 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Hoosier [IN]) Sep 7, 2019 9:13 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by NE [PA]) Sep 7, 2019 9:17 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 7, 2019 9:30 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 7, 2019 9:34 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Dave [MO]) Sep 7, 2019 9:48 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by JKJ [MA]) Sep 7, 2019 10:05 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Robin [WI]) Sep 7, 2019 11:23 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 8, 2019 12:20 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Sep 8, 2019 8:20 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Wilma [PA]) Sep 8, 2019 8:42 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Mike [TX]) Sep 8, 2019 9:46 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Vee [OH]) Sep 8, 2019 10:52 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Paulio [PA]) Sep 8, 2019 11:23 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by NE [PA]) Sep 8, 2019 11:24 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Barb [MO]) Sep 8, 2019 11:37 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by ChicagoLL [IL]) Sep 8, 2019 11:58 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Mike [TX]) Sep 8, 2019 12:24 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Sep 8, 2019 4:58 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by 6x6 [TN]) Sep 8, 2019 5:08 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Sandy [CO]) Sep 8, 2019 5:51 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by small potatoes [NY]) Sep 8, 2019 10:01 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Sisco [MO]) Sep 9, 2019 7:13 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Sep 9, 2019 8:46 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by S i d [MO]) Sep 9, 2019 9:53 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Sep 9, 2019 9:58 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by JKJ [MA]) Sep 9, 2019 10:32 AM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by S i d [MO]) Sep 9, 2019 1:40 PM
       Prospect Home Inspections (by Gene [OH]) Sep 14, 2019 12:47 PM


Prospect Home Inspections (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 7:09 PM
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I saw a humorous thread about landlords who go to the residences of prospective tenants. I thought it was a joke, but it's a real thing among downmarket landlords. I'm not making this up!

--76.120.xx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by OPM [OR]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 7:47 PM
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JUST A VOTE... I HAVE YET TO HAVE AN APPLICANT AGREE TO THIS --162.247.xx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 7:49 PM
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You must be new. I think this has been a thing on this board for a long time --50.4.xxx.x




Prospect Home Inspections (by DJM [NY]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 7:55 PM
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I actually just can on the site to see what standards other landlords go by to judge the two minute indirection I do them and find the inspections valuable. The current prospect I just competed an inspection on one hour ago. I will usually just show up and knock on the door. In this case the prospect lived in a cottage on the back property so I didn’t want to just walk on the property. I was able to use the application and confirm if the tenant was home by looking at the car plate numbers and on the application (requested on my application). One car was missing so I hung out at the shopping center for a few minutes. I saw the other car drive down the street. I sent a text to confirm they are in the rear cottage . She said yes. I asked if they were home because i had to do a two minute inspection . She said they were at her parents. I questioned why the two cars are in the front of the house. She reported they are home, but didn’t want anyone in since the house was dirty. I did inform her the inspection is required. She came to the street and invited me in. The cottage was cluttered. It is a one bedroom for two kids and two adults. She claims they are moving due to the tight space. The unit did have a slight smell so I’m on the fence with these folks. Unit is in tough part of town and landlord doesn’t appear to maintain house. He lives on the property and doesn't work from my understanding. He has not called back after two attempts. --67.87.xx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 7:59 PM
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What is a downmarket landlord? --72.231.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 8:04 PM
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What part was humorous? --68.10.xxx.x




Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 8:09 PM
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For the LLs here that do inhome inspections , a show of hands how many would allow a random LL from the interwebs

1) come into their house

2) come into their child's home

just for a rental --50.4.xxx.x




Prospect Home Inspections (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 8:18 PM
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Downmarket landlords? Going to the home of prospective tenants gives great insight into what going on. I started about a year and a half ago. About 2 weeks ago I had a couple pass screening perfectly but failed the in home inspection. Their unit smelled horribly of cat urine.

Is this an issue or a problem? --50.107.xxx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 8:20 PM
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David, I would let many landlords from this forum (interwebs) into my house. I've met many of them. --50.107.xxx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 8:23 PM
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When I said interwebs, I thought it was clear that meant random guy renting house on Zillow or Craigslist --50.4.xxx.x




Prospect Home Inspections (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 9:12 PM
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Ken, I just thought it was a satire thing when I first saw it. Too bizarre.

Then I did a little search and it seems real among downmarket landlords with a sketchy tenant pool. Hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

I hear that, OPM. No good, solid tenants would ever agree to something like this.

Not only is this creepy and intrusive as heck, it is a huge waste of time. I read that some tenants will agree and then clean up the house, hide the dog, but then when they move in...

--76.120.xx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Hoosier [IN]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 9:13 PM
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I'd let a "random" landlord into my house if it meant getting a place to live. They give you their social security number, which I think is even more of a concern than a home visit. --99.92.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 9:17 PM
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Jeff, your wrong about good tenants not allowing this. It's all in the presentation.

But then you've stated before that you know more about LL-ing than most of us, so not a big deal. --50.107.xxx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 9:30 PM
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I'm not a down market landlord and none of my tenants have any objection at all to a home inspection.

The people who object to a home inspection are the people who lie about smoking, lie about pets, or who live like pigs.

Yes, I would allow a landlord to come and look at my current rental if that is how I got a really nice rental. I wouldn't want to rent from a landlord who didn't care who lived in his house or how his house was taken care of.

I have to add that any tenant who wants to rent a house from me has done an inspection of the house that I am offering for rent. Sometimes they have inspected the rental more than once.

They have had a chance to interview me as I am interviewing them.

It's not like I am a total stranger who wants to walk through their house.

--98.146.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 9:34 PM
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Do we have two different people posting as Jeff (CO)?

Jeff should have seen many postings about home inspections and not be surprised by a recent one. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 9:48 PM
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Have been doing in home inspections for about 10 years on and off and have never had one objection and if I did, no bid deal, next. You can smell a lot from the front door. I started this process after I had a house trashed and got to thinking about how can I avoid this type of tenant and started the process. Basically I wanted to see what my place was going to look like in 6 months. In those inspection, I have found dogs not listed, people living in filth. Flop houses, etc. --173.216.xxx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 10:05 PM
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Jeff that’s unfortunate, it seems all but 2 professional landlords must be working the business; doing repairs, marketing, searching for deals, etc” as you said in the other thread to agree with you? Question, if I was to stop doing in home visits would I then be a “professional landlord” like you? Oh that’s right, you don’t know anything about me! I may not have as many units as you Jeff, but I can tell you this much; a true professional wouldn’t insult other landlords simply because they have a procedure or policies that you don’t agree with! --72.93.xxx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Sep 7, 2019 11:23 PM
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Are you talking about the in-home visit? It's an essential part of my screening. I have been blessed with an unbelievable number of unicorn tenants, and not one has objected to the in-home visit.

Now, there are a couple who passed the initial screening with flying colors that objected. That was when their true colors showed, and I'm grateful that they screened themselves out. --204.210.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 12:20 AM
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Been doing them for the last 200 leases.

It’s mandatory. No visit = no lease. Even when inconvenient and awkward for us.

We call it a VISIT. No one wants to be INSPECTED.

The good ones don’t mind. Some tell is they appreciate the fact we care. The ones who refuse just saved me time and trouble.

Even high end applicants can be total slobs.

This simple technic has saved me THOUSAND$$$! I figure it saved me an aberage of $2000 per lease. Turnovers are often perfect. Only done on pre-approved applicants who are still interested and have move in money available.

“Congrats! You are pre-approved! The final step is a quick 2 Minute Visit by someone from our office. Will you be home at 5:30 today!”

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 8:20 AM
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There's a bit of circular reasoning going on here : applicant declines my request to determine if they will be a bad tenant. Therefore they are (would be) bad tenants) --50.4.xxx.x




Prospect Home Inspections (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 8:42 AM
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@DJM - skip those prospects. If their LL won't respond, their application is incomplete. --141.158.xx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Mike [TX]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 9:46 AM
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I have a question. It seems most of you who do the home inspections wait till everything else is complete and The home inspection is the final step. So if they are all pre approved and you go to do the home inspection and they fail that then what do you tell them as to why all of a sudden they don’t get the house? Or do you just give them another excuse? --73.166.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 10:52 AM
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The home visit is part of approval not a suffix to someone with funds, drug dealers have funds and a lot of alternative baggage, so they also may not qualify -completely-, just like verify other parts of the agreement. I think this goes back to Nashville convention. --76.188.xxx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Paulio [PA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 11:23 AM
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Jeff, I’m wondering if you check the qualifications of your financial planner carefully before you hand over your non-RE assets. Or is that too creepy? --50.107.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 11:24 AM
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Mike TX, I don't tell them that the app is almost done and the in-home inspection is the final step.

I schedule with them to drop off a sample copy of the paper lease for them to review, so they can ask any questions they might have. Once inside the door, I see and smell all I need to see and smell.

--50.107.xxx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 11:37 AM
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If my applicant lives in a local rental, I do. Since most of them have pets (the reason they are moving into my place is they need a pet friendly place) I have to make sure their dog won’t have an issue with mine coming with me if I do a drive by.

Since over half of mine come from a dorm, there is no point of visiting those. --64.251.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by ChicagoLL [IL]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 11:58 AM
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What??? Are there LL who don't do home visit of the prospect? I've been doing that for almost a decade. 99% of them the prospects have no problem letting me in. So far I only had 1 prospect who refused to do it. He sent me an email claiming that I was trying to discriminate him using the condition of his current apartment. Huh? I didn't even have a chance to enter his place. He said that he also CC this email to his lawyer. Wow, I just dodged a bullet by not taking this trouble maker to my apartment... The home visit practice has saved me quite a few headache.

Like Oregon Woodsmoke[ID] said, prospects who refuse the home visit are those who lie in the application. Plain and simple. --99.128.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Mike [TX]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 12:24 PM
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Thanks for the reply NE . I have been a LL almost 20 years and have never had a need to do this. All my tenants have always been great and left my places in showroom condition. Believe it or not I have only 1 time had to lightly clean a place and I have never had to evict anyone. That being said I have a couple 30 year old roommates in one of my places and they both screened great. Impeccable credit and references.

They have been there 1 year now and are paying rent on time every month... never been late . And keep the place pretty clean. However. , my maintenance man just told me the other day there is a lot of damage to one wall in one of the bathrooms because they didn’t report a leak to me. I’m going to look at it next week and decide whether I will let them stay or be moving.

Because of this, I am considering to begin doing home inspection. --73.166.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 4:58 PM
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the big, professionally run big apartment complexes do not do home visits. full stop. that. is .it.

I think these home visits are just a cute way for mom n pop LL to rent to financially class C tenants and have a way to eliminate the bad ones. --50.4.xxx.x




Prospect Home Inspections (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 5:08 PM
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I just did my first one this year. Tenants had no problem with it. I think it is a good idea. I keep my house clean(OCD)so I would have no problem with it. --73.120.xx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Sandy [CO]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 5:51 PM
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As 100,000 new people come to Colorado every year, most of my prospective tenants are from out of state, so no home inspection available for me. But I would totally do it if I could! --45.56.xxx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Sep 8, 2019 10:01 PM
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David (real D?), so what if a M&P LL uses a home visit to weed out bad C prospects? How many other ways can you recommend a "down market" LL achieve this aim? In NY we have to accept "all forms of income" and now cannot use eviction history are a reason to DQ. Are you even attempting to be helpful, or do you really mean to come off as condescending?

--24.194.xx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2019 7:13 AM
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Sandy, hire a real estate agent to conduct your inspections. I pay $50. Via PayPal. --67.43.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2019 8:46 AM
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There's nothing wrong with it. LL like all small and large businesses have free reign to implement any policy that doesn't violate the law.

As for other ways, there's credit score, former LL reference, court searches yadda yadda.

But that's not the point of what the OP here JeffCO is saying. It is absolutely not normal and not performed by large, professionally run apt complexes --144.250.xx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2019 9:53 AM
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I do them. They work. I don't see the point of someone mocking a policy that is obviously working for a lot of people on this board. Might as well get into a political argument on Facebook. --107.216.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by David [MI]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2019 9:58 AM
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Sid, people have mocked many of my policies that work. So I don't know what the point of your criticism is.

Any event, the originally commentary isn't that it "doesn't work," it is that is unheard of in big , well oiled, professionally run apt complexes --144.250.xx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2019 10:32 AM
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David I respectfully disagree, Jeff [CO] (the OP) was not simply saying that it is just unheard of in large, professionally run complex’s, He mocked other posters that do in home visits as part of their screening. In the thread prior to this titled “In home inspections” he was asked if he was implying that any LL that did in home visits was unprofessional, to which he replied, “that’s exactly what I am saying”. He then went on to say “A professional landlord is too busy working the business; doing repairs, marketing, searching for deals, etc., and wouldn't want to waste the time doing something as silly as that.

Only a low quality tenant would even consent to such nonsense - someone I wouldn't want.

But if you want to do that, go for it. I wish more landlords would! Stuff like that makes the rest of us look better”. After that he went on to start a new thread about the topic mocking it further. So as you see, he wasn’t simple saying that it is unheard of in big, well oiled, professionally run apt complexes. --174.242.xxx.xx




Prospect Home Inspections (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Sep 9, 2019 1:40 PM
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David,

There's a difference between respectfully disagreeing, and as JKJ point out, mocking.

"I don't think that will work" and/or "Here's why this policy is better" is not the same as starting a thread that makes false assumptions. In this thread alone, I could 4 false assumptions:

1) It only works for downmarket (i.e. low class) tenant pool and no reputable land lord would consider it.

Response: many reputable LL's here have chimed in saying they do them and they work.

2) It's too bizarre / I thought it was a joke.

Response: personal opinion. Just because you don't do it/don't like it doesn't make it a joke or bizarre.

3) No good, solid tenants would ever agree to something like this.

Response: I've had over two dozen who have agreed. Add in others here an my guess is there are many multiples of that. Again, OP's unsubstantiated opinion and is degrading of our tenants who HAVE agreed to it.

4) Not only is this creepy and intrusive as heck, it is a huge waste of time.

Response: Again, OP's personal opinion. Judgments like "creep" and "intrusive" and "waste of time" have been clearly ruled out by those of us who have done it successfully

So the bottom line is Jeff found something he didn't like and proceed to offer factless (and often tactless) opinions. I've seen him make these kinds of attacks on the credibility of many other very well-respected LLs on this board in other posts as well.

I know Jeffrey's policy is to promote a diverse base of opinions here, and I have no problem with spirited disagreements as long as the goal is the promote learning and better our business practices. But this post goes beyond that...well beyond that. If Jeff[CO] is not in favor of in-home inspections, the proper way to address the topic would be to share some actual flaws of the strategy from his experience and then provide some of his better strategies. As is, he offered no help to anyone in this post; no strategies, no tips, just his own highly-opinionated criticisms. That is the dictionary definition of mockery. --107.216.xxx.xxx




Prospect Home Inspections (by Gene [OH]) Posted on: Sep 14, 2019 12:47 PM
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Jeff [CO], the most recent Mr. Landlord newsletter (Volume 34, #4) just came out. In it Jeffrey Taylor (Mr. Landlord) states on Page 27 what he looks for in prospective residents is"

"1. Present address. The condition of this dwelling is perhaps the number one indicator of how well they will take care of your property." --99.165.xx.xxx





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