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The Senior Niche (by Richard [MI]) Jul 14, 2019 9:41 AM
       The Senior Niche (by AllyM [NJ]) Jul 14, 2019 10:00 AM
       The Senior Niche (by Roy [AL]) Jul 14, 2019 10:07 AM
       The Senior Niche (by Richard [MI]) Jul 14, 2019 12:20 PM
       The Senior Niche (by gevans [SC]) Jul 14, 2019 1:19 PM
       The Senior Niche (by Deanna [TX]) Jul 14, 2019 1:39 PM
       The Senior Niche (by Mickie [OH]) Jul 14, 2019 1:48 PM
       The Senior Niche (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jul 14, 2019 2:51 PM
       The Senior Niche (by MikeA [TX]) Jul 14, 2019 4:46 PM
       The Senior Niche (by #22 [MO]) Jul 14, 2019 4:59 PM
       The Senior Niche (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Jul 14, 2019 5:11 PM
       The Senior Niche (by Drew [CO]) Jul 14, 2019 5:19 PM
       The Senior Niche (by Richard [MI]) Jul 14, 2019 6:30 PM
       The Senior Niche (by fred [CA]) Jul 14, 2019 11:39 PM
       The Senior Niche (by Robert J [CA]) Jul 15, 2019 12:12 AM
       The Senior Niche (by Cj [FL]) Jul 15, 2019 1:28 PM


The Senior Niche (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 9:41 AM
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It can be good to find a profitable niche in the rental business. One that I've decided to incorporate into my business is retired seniors. Here's my logic:

* The boomers are retiring at the rate of thousands per day.

* Financial reports say that about 90 percent of them have little retirement money. I personally think that number is wrong (from observation). I think more like 60-70 percent. The difference, to me, depends on where they live, what they did, and more. Still, there are many who don't have a lot.

* Many cannot afford high taxes in prime areas.

* Many are downsizing.

* Some just want a less expensive place in a smaller or vacation area.

So, here's where and how I'm approaching this opportunity:

* I choose, at this time to live in a vacation area (Northern Michigan). Many retirees WANT to live in this area.

* There are MANY low priced places nearby (off water, vacation cabins, second homes, mobile homes) that need repairs and can be had for bargain prices. As I travel, there are lots of places all over like this, so it can be done almost anywhere except high priced areas (coastal cities, desirable cities, etc).

*This is ready made for rehabber like me.

*So I buy (mostly mobiles on land and small ranch houses )then rehab them into 2 master suites with bath each and a common LR/DR/Kitchen. This rehab work usually costs about 8-15K, depending on condition. Add a ramp if necessary, set it up with grab bars, handicapped style (this is not that expensive if you are redoing it anyway).

*Each suite can and does rent for $500-550 a month. So a place that is purchased and rehabbed for about $25K then returns about $1000 a month.

*The retirees usually stay a long time.

*They don't generally trash the place or make trouble.

*They usually pay their rent on time.

What's not to like?

To me, it beats renting to young people who work sub $15 an hour jobs and prefer to party and raise heck and are higher probability for tearing a place up.

--172.222.xx.x




The Senior Niche (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 10:00 AM
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my handyman bought a fixer upper, really crappy house, thin walls bad windows on a slab. He should have showed it to me first. He had the intention of putting retired folk in there just like you. His wife does home care for elderly now. The regulations stopped him. Handicapped bathrooms are really big and there were other requirements that stressed him so he has basically abandoned it paying the taxes and doing nothing on it. You can't expect seniors from warmer areas to move to an icebox like MI. I think people start downsizing and moving at about age 65 and head south from here. Across the street from me a woman got one of those reverse mortgages. She is 94 now and her son has taken her in since she needs 24 hour observation. I am a boomer and will keep this small house as long as I can and have money to do that. Can you do this and get paid rent that is limited to the renter's social security? A husband and wife who both worked might be able to pay a rent. If you are going for the folks who exhausted their bank account and have to life on SS with no pension, that's a difficult stretch. Are you prepared to evict an elderly sick 75 or 80 year old? If I had to make a choice as to where to live I would go for one of GKarl's rooming houses. --173.61.xxx.xx




The Senior Niche (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 10:07 AM
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Richard,

I am looking for just one of those retirees you mentioned to rent my garage apartment. It will be fully stocked, reasonable rent and ready to move in to. I just hope they are not too old to climb the front stairs. I love senior tenants,..many of them have learned over the years how to manage whatever money they have. --68.63.xxx.xxx




The Senior Niche (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 12:20 PM
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AllyM,

I don't charge the high rents that the retirement homes do. Mine are generally about $500 a month.

Sometimes, the local housing authority here has their rentals available that they own (they have about 75 or so) and in these the tenants pay 30 percent of their income. There is about a 2 year waiting list to get one, so the housing authority makes deals with landlords. They have price limits but currently those are actually higher than what I charge. All units have to pass their inspections, just like section 8 places. (It's now not politically correct to say Section 8. They use a different term but it is the same thing.)

One thing I've seen here is that the housing authority here used to be mainly for low income seniors, but during the 2008-2016 era, this was changed to any low income "applicant". Then the drug people and the deadbeats started moving in and things went downhill quickly.

One thing that most of these types have in common is their utter contempt for rules and standards and regular decent people.

So it's pretty easy to screen them out. Evictions, arrests, junk and trash everywhere (thanks Brad 20K for the 2 minute visit tip), drugs, screaming fights, dead cars and more.

You are right about many of the retirees going south. Some come back though and some like the snow, the changes of seasons, and the life up north. They are the ones I want.

--172.222.xx.x




The Senior Niche (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 1:19 PM
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We heard a pitch for retirement homes a couple years ago at the MR LL conference. Some of the pros:

seniors don't throw loud, drunken parties.

They don't punch holes in the walls.

They go to bed early.

They are more likely than the average population to know how to budget (read that, will pay the rent on time). --69.80.xx.xxx




The Senior Niche (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 1:39 PM
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I like senior citizens as well. Generally, the drama of their youth is behind them, and they're more stable than those who are 30-40 years younger than they are.

The two problems I run into are fixed incomes and failing health. When the hospital expenses start coming in--- it definitely disrupts their ability to keep up in a timely manner.

Richard, for those shared suites, how many of your prospects have animals? That's one big difficulties I'd expect to encounter if I tried to duplicate what you have success with. --96.46.xxx.xx




The Senior Niche (by Mickie [OH]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 1:48 PM
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If that's the one I'm think of they usually had bigger homes that were converted to accommodate seniors and it sounded like it could be lucrative. The market was right for what I would have had to do to complete in my town.

I think I could however do what Richard is talking about. I may need to look around and see what's available at a few lakes in the area. I believe the key would be having a separate bathroom for each person. And pairing up the personalities for each home.

--174.233.xxx.xxx




The Senior Niche (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 2:51 PM
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I look at a shabby little 4 studio apartment building in a decent enough area. Maybe once it was a motel? If it comes on the market, I might consider it.

Clean it up really cute, paint all the apartments lavender inside, put a small dog fence in the back of each one, and declare it to be senior housing.

I think it could be kept full of good quiet tenants.

The down side is that I would have to be responsible for all the snow removal and we can get a lot of snow here. With a bunch of frail elderly tenants, that snow removal would have to be done frequently and carefully. --98.146.xxx.xxx




The Senior Niche (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 4:46 PM
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Interesting to hear, keep hearing more success stories related to the senior living sector.

I have an investor friend that bought a small decrepit old one story apartment complex for virtually nothing. He fixed it to a descent standard and then converted it to a 55+ complex. There is a common gathering room that has a small kitchen and he outfitted it with tables, games, and a pool table. Everyone gathers there to hang out in the afternoons and they have a pot-luck lunch a couple times a week. They have built quite a nice community out of what was an eye sore. Word has spread and he has a waiting list to get in because rents are reasonable and they have encouraged residents to come and hang out together. It is paying off for him quite well. --50.26.xx.xxx




The Senior Niche (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 4:59 PM
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I live this segment of the market. Met with the biggest local player in this space in my market a few weeks ago. He builds 100+ new apartment style places. Can u share a zillow listing of a similar property that you would pursue in your market? I'm curious to see this in the real world... the older people aren't concerned about the winters? Thanks for sharing this info. --174.234.xxx.xxx




The Senior Niche (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 5:11 PM
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I had no end of troubles with the renter / drug demographics in our town until I switched to 62 plus senior living. Overnight being a LL was almost pleasureable. Instead of late payers and drama I had single seniors who paid and weren't problems. My life went from fighting drug dealers to helping an 80 year old change her oxygen tank.

At one point when my mother needed nursing care and I was paying like $7,500 a month, I looked into opening an assisted living in my apts. The money looks potentially huge. But the staffing and liabilities might present challenges so we didn't persue it.

I marketed our place as "Affordable Living for Active Seniors." You need proceedures and clear policy in place to ensure smooth transitions to assisted living. You need good emergency contacts and you have to watch for signs they are becoming unable to care for themselves properly. Otherwise it's pretty stable.

I sold it just over a year ago, before my cancer diagnosis because I was so very sick without knowing it and just didn't have the stamina to run it anymore. Now that I'm almost back to my former healthy self I'm still glad I sold as the neighborhood immediately re-degraded without my constant (iron fisted tyranny) attention. But I feel sad for my former tenants. All but one has moved on. I drove by a few days ago to see young tweaker - dealers hanging out in the parking lot again.

Our town now has 6 large assisted living facilities. Our main business is retirees and tourists. There's some agriculture and gold/silver mining. Everything is mostly aimed at seniors, but health care is horrible and overwhelmed. You have to go to Vegas for a hang nail.

The new homes here are ALL designed for boomers downsizing to 1,200-1,600 sq ft homes, mostly with giant "toy" garages for motor homes and boats. I even have my first three car garage.

We have a LOT of low income seniors in our area. I would say the majority of our homeless are seniors. We get quite a few old hobos in the winter. It's truly shocking. Most I'm sure recieve govt money but not enough to pay rent. The VA has a program for vets, but there's not much more help.

You need to look into all that before switching to seniors. People are moving to our area to retire, but in other regions many seniors are retiring in place, so knowing your market is important. Anyway I think it's a good business option if your demographics fit.

--47.216.xx.xxx




The Senior Niche (by Drew [CO]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 5:19 PM
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Yes to the elderly! I wish more would apply. I've had only two retired couples in 13 yrs that were great! But all my units have stairs, even the garden levels have a few which can be a deterrent. You got me wanting to market better to the older crowd... I've also had remarkably good fortune with the newly divorced. I used to hesitate, concerned around complications, drama, or minds changing but I've not found that at all. All last 3 move-ins have been recent divorcees with great jobs, one with two children who go to nearby school. Due to division of finances all have shared they can't afford to buy a new home for years and just want a nice place for themselves. My first divorcee is still with me from 10 years ago! Maybe that is my niche... :) --172.58.xx.x




The Senior Niche (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 6:30 PM
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Deanna, TX,

I've found that most seniors, if they have dogs, these dogs are generally smaller, under 30#. I haven't had any problems. Cats are also generally no problem.

Please keep in mind that my units are basic, class C units, so I don't worry nearly so much. If they were class A or B units, I'd have to be much more careful.

Floors are cheap and sealed. Trim around doors, etc. is cheap 1x3 stained wood that only costs under $2.00 for an 8 foot piece.

If I do the 2 minute visit before I agree to rent and their place reeks of cat urine or I see piles of #2 on the floors, that's a big no.

--172.222.xx.x




The Senior Niche (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Jul 14, 2019 11:39 PM
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Senior renting is a very regulated business. Somebody mentioned bathrooms for seniors above, and yes, the rules will drive you nuts.

I've converted a few homes into RCFEs (residential care facility for the elderly) for other operators...a lot of regulations and details.

Check the water before diving in. --99.59.x.xxx




The Senior Niche (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jul 15, 2019 12:12 AM
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You should operate a Senior Housing Project in Los Angeles, where your bribes to the City Councilmen will make you rich! Here is how it works. You lie and say that 20% of the units will be rented to Seniors on assisted living income such as Section 8. And all of the new renters will be over 62 years old. Your rent to the first timer's will be at the low end.

Then when you screen for tenants you pick the one's who are sick and on the fast track to leave this earth. The City, after bribes have been paid, will forgive a major part of your property tax for the first 10 years and give you a interest fee grant that never has to be paid back. We are talking about the grant being large enough to cover your down-payment.

Then when the senor kicks the bucket, you the can rent to anyone who will pay you top market rents. The only thing is they have to be elderly -- over 55.

Crazy! This is how developers and government take advantage of things. Fraud! --47.156.xx.xx




The Senior Niche (by Cj [FL]) Posted on: Jul 15, 2019 1:28 PM
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Some, yes some not all, seniors I have had complain because they have years of life and know what “ needs to be done”, or are so lonely they make something up so they can talk to someone. --76.242.xx.xxx





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