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Exorting Sex Harassment (by Mike [CO]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 12:06 AM
State Specific Question About: COLORADO (CO)
I have a couple residents that didn't pay rent for 3 months and I had to file an eviction on. It went to court and they claimed that the eviction was retaliatory for unwanted sexual advances I made toward them that were refused! I have been in their unit to do their move in inspection, a quarterly inspection only. I don't socialize with these guys and they are making this up. I work for a property management company and am now being investigated for Sexual Harassment! To be honest, when these guys first moved in they were harassing me sexually, they sent me explicit pictures and one sent me emails asking me to do graphic sexual things with them. I told them I was flattered but that I could only be friendly with them but not friends and certainly not have sex with them. I never met them before they moved in. I helped them move here from living in their car and gave them some furniture. But I kept a professional distance from them. They don't work and had organizations pay their rent until that dried up. Then they didn't pay for 3 months and we went to court. They tried to bring that up in court and the judge decided it had nothing to do with them not paying rent and judged against them, but my employer is still meeting with them and investigating me and may fire me! I'm thinking of filing a sexual harassment complaint against the tenants. They threatened to "do something" to me to stop their eviction and that's almost extortion or blackmail...which is against the law. This has been very stressful and I am feeling helpless and trapped! What should I do? --63.145.xx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 1:12 AM
This is a bad situation. The one thing landlords fear most, being accused of sexual harassment or asking for sexual favors. I've been accused or threatened by tenants they will make accusations unless I give them "Special Treatment" like reduced rent or "extras" with the tenancy for free.
This is where you need to seek the aid of your attorney to document this for your own protection. I myself had a micro voice activated audio recorder and a pocket pen that has a pin hole with a HD video/audio recorder too.
Then all further communication is done with text'ed messages such as scheduled repairs or permission to enter their unit.
One tenant told the eviction judge that for years I was seeking an affair with this married tenant. My text'ed messages show the tenant no afraid for me to enter he unit to pick up a rent check or make repairs -- only knock first before entering. If the wife was afraid she would have never allowed me to enter her unit unless her husband was at home.. --47.156.xx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 6:39 AM
What should you do? Keep your mouth shut and let it pass.
You never should've rented to these people to begin with. How did they ever pass screening? --50.32.xx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 7:51 AM
can't beat um-- join um!!!
This is a Robert CA lurk post. --99.103.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 7:52 AM
Telling them you were flattered was an opening. When I don't want attention, I make it clear. Helping them move and giving them stuff was inappropriate as well. Not enough distance and you shouldn't have rented to them. --209.122.xx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 8:02 AM
I’m sure your employer has to do their investigation and due diligence with a complaint like that. If you have any evidence such as texts they sent you or your responses of saying no make sure you save them. Sit down with a clear head and write down what happened including dates and who said what through what form. These are things that should have been brought to your employers attention when they happened. You have 3 choices: sit tight and wait it out, consult a lawyer, or ask for a meeting with your employer to give your side and/or understand the process and timing of their investigation. --24.61.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 8:06 AM
Another example of self-inflicted drama or hoax ? --184.53.x.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Jim In O C [CA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 8:26 AM
I have a 18 year old daughter of a tenant that when doing repairs I either have my wife with me or another person. Not worth the risk of being accused of something. My wife was a teacher. In later years she never allowed herself to be alone with a male student. Always had a door open. --99.23.xxx.x
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 8:42 AM
"They sent me graphic pictures... they asked me to graphic things... "I'm flattered, but I can't...""
Duh. That's not how you deal with stuff like that. #1, you don't regretfully decline, you squelch. Or you ignore.
#2, you understand immediately that it's not your personal charm and attraction; a trail is being laid, and you are being set up. The way to counteract that kind of trap is to loudly set your own counter-trail of events. You say you're a property management employee--- that's where you talk to your boss (and anyone else within earshot) --"Hey, the new tenants at [address] are sending me obscene photos. I want to be professional, but this is really inappropriate. What do you advise?"
#3, it's cool that you were a nice person and helped them move from their car into a place, and you got them furniture. No good deed goes unpunished. We understand that-- and we do good deeds anyways. But at some point, you have to realize that their actions indicated they had zero respect for you, and that you wanted them to succeed more than they wanted to succeed.
#4, the best way to make blackmail go away is to shine light on it. If your boss is "continuing to meet with them to investigate", give them a copy of your text and email records. If they're continuing to threaten you, make sure they get a copy of that, too. If you've got an app on your phone that records conversations, burn a CD. If your biggest crime is being naive and not knowing when you're being conned-- well, that's okay.
I was recently reading a book about con artists in the 1900's-1940's. There was a bit where one of the con artists interviewed said, "You can't cheat an honest man." I had never understood that phrase, because it seems like honest men get preyed upon all the time! :) But the explanation was that a lot of these con games are played by using the victim's vices against him--- usually his greed, but lust works, too -- and then using that to put him in a bad position, so that when the con is pulled off, he's reluctant to go to the police, because it would involve him having to expose his own wrongdoing. So in that case, an honest man isn't going to be susceptible to the big scams these guys were working, because even though he might be tempted by money in theory, he wouldn't be tempted to do x to get it, and thereby is safe from falling into the con men's trap.
Parallels can be drawn. --96.46.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 8:50 AM
Deanna, what's the name of the book? Sounds interesting.
Mike/CO, document everything, as recommended above. Everything. If you get fired you will need an attorney.
Do you have any contemporaneous records that support you turned them down: ie you told friends or co-workers? --50.82.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 9:28 AM
If you have an email telling them you are not interested, then print it out and give it to your boss. --173.61.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 9:42 AM
I'm hoping you saved copies of the pictures and messages they sent you? If so, it should be easy to prove they harrassed you, not the other way around.
If not, it becomes more challenging.
We live in a MeToo world... the accused is often guilty until proven innocent, and even then some will insist you're guilty. To avoid that you must be above reproach.
I recommend talking with your employer and making a statement on record. It sounds to me like they did not properly train you with how to deal with tenants. Giving them furniture and helping them move-in crosses a boundary line that no "professional" property manager should cross.
Now I'm going to ask a personal question...you REALLY didn't know these guys AT ALL before they moved in? This story just sounds little too contrived. I've been in this business since 2005 and have never been tempted even on time to help tenants move somewhere after they were living in a car, nor would I have entertained the idea for one second of giving them free stuff. And then they were allowed to live in the place without paying rent for 3 MONTHS?
Call me a suspicious old curmudgeon or heartless miser, but that type of behavior/leniency suggests more than a "professional" business relationship. And if it sounds that way to me, it's going to sound that way to anyone investigating this case as well. You've got a fight ahead, no doubt, and I wish you the best of luck. Just be sure you're 100% forthcoming and aren't "bending" the truth of story in any way whatsoever. I'd spend $200 and talk to an attorney. --173.20.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 9:50 AM
WMH, "The Big Con", by David W. Maurer. It was written in 1940. His thing was linguistics--- but it was pretty much the definitive work on confidence games for much of the 20th century.
His first premise is-- "A confidence man only prospers because of the fundamental dishonesty of his victims."
But another passage that struck home was--
"Most marks come from the upper strata of society, which, in America, means that they have made, married, or inherited money. Because of this, they acquire status which in time they come to attribute to some inherent superiority, especially as regards matters of sound judgment in finance and investment. Friends and associates, themselves social climbers and sycophants, helped to maintain the solution of superiority. Eventually, the mark comes to regard himself as a person of vision and even of genius. Thus a Babbitt who has cleared half a million in a real estate development easily forgets the part which luck and chicanery have played in his financial rise; he accepts his mantle of respectability without question; he naïvely attributes his success to sound business judgment. And any confidence man will testify that a real-estate man is the fattest and juiciest of suckers."
:) Definitely makes me stay humble! :) --96.46.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 9:51 AM
(Ah! Solution = illusion. Gah.) --96.46.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 10:00 AM
What sort of property management company allows a tenant to not pay for three months before evicting?
You didn't save those emails?
Myself, if I really had a tenant email me graphic photos and inappropriate suggestions, that tenant would receive his walking papers immediately. There wouldn't be any waiting for non-payment of rent. --98.146.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 10:00 AM
Wow sounds interesting! I'll check it out. --50.82.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 10:04 AM
Thanks Deanna. I'll order that book. --98.146.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 10:07 AM
OREGON WOODSMOKE -- hey let's not jump the gun until we see the pic's????
I want to see the 3 some with Mike the OP in it. --99.103.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Peter [NH]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 10:29 AM
If these people have nothing and are just making this all up then chances are it may all just go away because there is nothing for them to gain. Learn from this. I am older and cynical against people but I still make mistakes. --75.67.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 10:58 AM
We are scared to talk to tenants now. Tenanats want to make things complicated and confusing for landlord by talking. --97.91.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 11:22 AM
I don’t know, to me this doesn’t add up. Why’d you wait 3 months with no rent before filing to evict, why’d you help 2 individuals living in their car that you never met move, why did you give furniture to strangers, how many people have you helped prior or since you help these tenants?? If a tenant EVER sent me graphic photos and requests to do graphic sexual things I’d evict them ASAP and I would save all correspondence from them, AS WELL AS limit my communication and interaction with them while I was in the eviction process. I absolutely wouldn’t say “oh I’m flattered, but I can only be friendly with you”. I’m sorry, this isn’t what you probably want to hear, but I’d fire you just for the what you said you have done, never mind the sexual harassment complaint. You are employed as a professional property manager, your duties are to manage tenants and look after the property, (with the property owners best interests in mind) not be friends with the tenants, help them move, and give them furniture. Your action and behavior put yourself AND the property owner at risk. --174.242.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 11:23 AM
In the context that you are a bonafied poster (teni moving from car living is suspicious),
After the first improper contact you should have notified your company and they should have assigned someone else to the unit.
I myself received dck pics from a prospect, not much legally that can be done about it but I saved them to the hidden file storage on my phone, in case it ever happens again and then I can establish a pattern of harassment. People are ugly and you have to be on your guard.
Had a tenant accuse me of discrimination for them being gay and filed a complaint w/ NYS human rights commission.
It was no joke and took a significant amount of time to defend against. There was a full investigation which I was cleared of charges because I have other protected class tenants who vouched for me. I also had email and phone records to back me up (texting wasn't a big thing back then).
And BTW if you are flattered by their attention why can't you play with them? What you do on your personal time and with whom is your prerogative. So don't say you are flattered if you are not.
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Tim [CA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 11:25 AM
Mike: You need to talk to a specialist in employment law.
Can customers sexually harass employees? Yep. Had you notified your employer at the time the incidents occurred, they would have had a duty to investigate.
Since the deadbeats filed a complaint, the employer has a duty to investigate now.
Robert J: California is a two party state. If you are not very careful to stay out of the gray area, your recordings are worthless. They can also be used against you - regardless of the content. This is a wobbler. There is also a private right of action, with minimum statutory damages, plus costs and attorney fees. A clause in a lease is not remotely sufficient. --64.160.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Jerry [NC]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 11:26 AM
Exorting Sex Harassment (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 11:28 AM
What a thread this is turning into. Haha. Boogie nights. Dun dun dun dun BOOGIE NIGHTS. --174.201.xx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 2:07 PM
You claim to have a mountain of evidence showing they harassed you. Copy it, and distribute it. Give a copy to your lawyer, and to your boss. Since they are wrongfully accusing you of harassment, have your lawyer sue them for anything related to harassment, slander, etc. Then sue them for sexual harassment.
Once you build a case against them, your boss will have no choice but to believe you. If not, the day they fire you, you collect the evidence, the court cases, and sue your boss and the company for wrongful termination.
Make them all pay then they'll go away. Don't get stressed about it, get rich off of it. Once you lawyer up and start collecting a body count, that momentum will either help you look innocent to your boss and company, or further your case against them.
Yes, you were naive and got taken advantage of. You were working with con artists. They think you're nice so they can take advantage of you, assuming you're not gay, they are also banking on the fact that the threat of a homosexual affair will make either you or your boss uneasy and just want it to go away quietly. Why they were stupid enough to send you pictures and suggestive emails is beyond me so they can't be too good at a con. Maybe they're just social justice warriors. That to me makes more sense given the details.
Either way, your boss needs to understand the saying "get woke, go broke." --108.69.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 2:52 PM
Biggest mistake here was being "open" to the idea and not firmly rejecting and reporting the advances. A firm rejection to the emailed advance would help with defending against these claims. This situation comes off as "leaving the door open for later" except that later is the unanticipated harassment claim. --208.54.xx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Mike [CO]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 4:03 PM
Ok, Let me clarify the organization I work for...Its the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless...hence the from the car and yes I did a background screening, but our selection criteria gives preference to the homeless. We accept felons with convictions that are only 2 years old...its almost impossible to not get approved.
This also explains the furniture. We get furniture and items donated to give the residents and that is where the furniture came from. Until they came in to fill out their application, I had never met them. I have been very direct with them about being their manager and not their friend.
I didn't report the pix and the advances because I was embarrassed and didn't want to set these gentlemen up to lose their housing just when they got it. I thought I was being tough skinned and coping with it. But now I KNOW I should have filed a sexual harassment complaint. It not acceptable--even if its coming from a customer. My employer has instructed me not to do anything. I want to file a complaint and I want to file a police report, but because its already an eviction in progress, it would be considered retaliatory toward the resident. Not sure how I'm supposed to defend myself with the internal investigative part...Hope that clears up a lot of the parts that were fishy sounding. --63.145.xx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 4:18 PM
Getting fired might be a blessing. Get a different line of work. Bleeding heart syndrome can back fire for sure. --50.32.xx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 5:28 PM
There are jobs were as professionals one must maintain a strictly professional relationship. Landlord/property manager and social worker are examples of this, and from what you’ve said it sounds like your job meshes the 2 together. There is a difference between being friendly but professional, and friends Also this should have been nipped in the bud when it happened, whether that have been by reporting their behavior or a firm rejection (ideally both)! As others posted hopefully you kept the “graphic images and the sexually explicit requests, therefore you have proof they are the guilty party and you are the victim. If you have truly done nothing wrong they will have no proof, if your a good employee and it’s a normal part of your duties to help tenants move and get them furniture then this should blow over. However if there’s more to this than your saying, and you think they MIGHT have proof, this is most likely just the beginning. Either way, learn from this, there are people that will lie or worse in order to avoid being evicted or paying rent, working with the homeless you need to be extra vigilant not only with your interactions with these tenants, but for realizing when your being “set up”. Good luck. --174.242.xx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Tim [CA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 5:31 PM
You need to talk to an employment law attorney who represents employees.
I suggest you begin by googling "NELA Attorney", and go from there.
Most successful attorneys will charge you for a consultation. An hour of their time can save you a great deal of pain.
Exorting Sex Harassment (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 5:35 PM
I am so sorry after reading the detail from Mike (CO). His last post explains everything. Will he be fine because their organization is non prifit? We small landlord must learn to protect ourself as much as we can. --97.91.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 6:25 PM
Stay on the organization to complete this investigation and absolve you. Get it in writing and keep that with you for the rest of your life. Make sure there's no black mark in your employment file. Sue the Coalition if there is. Pray you never get into another situation like this because it will cause this incident to resurface.
Oh, and find another company to work for. This one is trouble waiting to happen. --108.69.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 6:53 PM
I wish my memory was working better than today, someone here used to post if the tenant lips are moving they are lying, best to get a better employer anyway, 3 months is a lot of charity and they will not be able to open for business much longer, try to by them out or split... --76.188.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 7:25 PM
I do not understand why some organizations and politicians do whatever to protect illegals and criminals and punish hard working people. --97.91.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 7:45 PM
CJ, you put too much energy into trying to figure out things that you'll never figure out. --50.32.xx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 7:56 PM
NE, I agree that I will never figure out something I need to deal with, but I need to try to understand so I will be less confused and better cope with the problems we face. --97.91.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2019 8:37 PM
I think the nature of the organization is such that it's really not landlording but social service. The result is that lines often get blurred. I used to have a large social service client that placed people with AIDS and drug addiction in housing. It was a similar situation where they'd provide them furniture. This was before my landlording days and I was only involved on the financial and accounting end. That place was an administrative nightmare and I can only imagine how they were when it came to housing placement and dealing with landlords. Most LL's with options will never accept those type of tenants for the problems you've encountered and more. --209.122.xx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by Mike [CO]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2019 6:16 AM
Thank you for the advice and support.Tomorrow, late afternoon, I have been summoned by HR to discuss the "resident situation"...
The extorters have been evicted but they have escalated their accusations.
Both the meeting tomorrow and that they haven't backed off makes me beyond nervous.
While I was taking pix of the damage they left behind I found a broken glass pipe with white a residue in it. I assume it's meth and they were smoking it in the unit. Adding insult to injury now, if I don't get fired tomorrow, or quit and find another job per the suggestions here, I'll have a meth unit to remediate...
At the end of their stay I noticed different guys coming and going into the building using codes to get in thru the security doors. We use Fobs and I only give access codes to my staff. But these guys were coming and going using codes and going to these guys apartment. I used the codes and the video footage to determine the guys were using 3 or 4 different codes that were assigned to different people... So I disabled them all and assigned a couple new codes to myself, my maintenance, and a phony account. I didn't give the code to the maintenance and they have no access to them. Within 2 days, the guys were coming and going again using codes... The extorters had been hacking into the door security system dialing in thru the number that calls up when they buzz people in.
Meth head hackers accusing anyone of anything, let alone sex harassment,makes me squirm with worry and makes my imagination run rampant. I've seen people get ruined by tweakers stealing their identities.
I know I didn't harass these guys. I'm going to the meeting and will be honest and tell my side and let the chips fall where they may. These guys are crooked sneaky bottom feeders and I regret helping them. --67.164.xxx.xx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2019 7:16 AM
Listen do yourself a favor, go to this meeting and answer only the questions you are asked. Be honest and give simple answers, don’t elaborate. Must of all DO NOT go on a rant making unfounded accusations about your accuser’s. The discovery of a glass pipe and the other activities you mentioned in your last post have absolutely zero to do with the sexual harassment complaint. Attacking your accuser, especially when it comes to accusations of this nature, is never a good idea. Just keep your answers short and sweet, and be honest. Good luck, let us know how it goes. --174.242.xx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2019 8:16 AM
I agree to keep your answers brief and on point. However, the other other things you found ( evidence of drugs, hacking the security system) are very useful because they undermine your accuser’s credibility. If it was the court of law, the burden of proof is on them to prove your guilt without a reasonable doubt - doesn’t sound like that is even an option here. If they pursue a civil case ( to get money) they have to prove “ it was more likely than not” that their claims are true. That’s where the credibility issue comes into play. Judges and jurors don’t tend to believe drug addicts who hack security systems and make harassment claims only as they are facing eviction. The management firm is in a pickle here. If they keep you it could be bad PR . If they fire you it adds credibility to the harassment claim and the management firm will be on the line for any lawsuits. --71.10.xxx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2019 8:30 AM
I agree. Don't say a friggin word, you'll bury yourself because your emotional.
You're in over your head with this and managing units. Getting fired will be a blessing in disguise. --50.32.xxx.x
Exorting Sex Harassment (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2019 11:59 AM
RentsDue, I would agree with everything you said IF he actually had proof AND he was in a court of law. But he is going to a meeting with the HR department at his work, and he has no proof. From what he said the only thing he can prove is there is a security issue at the building. There is no proof they “hacked” into the security system, and whose to say he didn’t put the pipe in the unit to discount his accusers credibility? I’m not saying he did, just that’s how it may be interpreted, especially without being able to prove it. --174.242.xx.xxx
Exorting Sex Harassment (by CGB [MI]) Posted on: Jul 10, 2019 5:21 PM
My advice: be honest but do not offer additional information. Try to answer each question with a concise yes or no answer. Words are important, dont say you were "flattered", say you declined their offer and made the boundries clear. Record the conversation if possible. Be prepared to be fired and if it happens do not become emotional and plead for your job. --68.51.xxx.xxx
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