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More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Jun 15, 2019 12:39 PM
       More kids? (by NE [PA]) Jun 15, 2019 12:42 PM
       More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Jun 15, 2019 12:47 PM
       More kids? (by fred [CA]) Jun 15, 2019 12:57 PM
       More kids? (by Deanna [TX]) Jun 15, 2019 1:01 PM
       More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Jun 15, 2019 1:38 PM
       More kids? (by plenty [MO]) Jun 15, 2019 2:07 PM
       More kids? (by Jean [OK]) Jun 15, 2019 2:07 PM
       More kids? (by JB [OR]) Jun 15, 2019 2:12 PM
       More kids? (by myob [GA]) Jun 15, 2019 2:56 PM
       More kids? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Jun 15, 2019 3:02 PM
       More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Jun 15, 2019 4:12 PM
       More kids? (by plenty [MO]) Jun 15, 2019 4:17 PM
       More kids? (by Busy [WI]) Jun 15, 2019 4:56 PM
       More kids? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Jun 15, 2019 5:43 PM
       More kids? (by Vee [OH]) Jun 15, 2019 8:19 PM
       More kids? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Jun 15, 2019 8:30 PM
       More kids? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 15, 2019 8:30 PM
       More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Jun 15, 2019 8:42 PM
       More kids? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 15, 2019 10:45 PM
       More kids? (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Jun 16, 2019 9:32 AM
       More kids? (by melinda [MD]) Jun 16, 2019 12:48 PM

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More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 12:39 PM

Just messaged a tenant after seeing she had gotten her G.E.D. & in the ensuing conversation online, she admitted to me that she had recently gotten (temp) custody of her 3 minor nieces. Tenant has one male toddler. She has been there about 18 months, so we are month to month now. She pays 675.00 for a 1,600 sq ft doublewide. I admitted to her that I was concerned about that many more people living there as our lease was priced at her and her son only.

She has not replied, as of yet, so I'm wondering if I should:

1. Go up on the rent with 30 days notice at first of the month (July).

2. Give her notice to cure or quit?

3. Leave well enough alone and let time take care of it? (Mom might sober up & get her kids back)

More kids? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 12:42 PM

Why did you message her regarding her GED? --174.201.xx.xx

More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 12:47 PM

I find out things when I stay in touch with my tenants. Some good, and some not so good. That's really besides the point to me, a situation adding 3 people to a house is pretty important info though.

She may have thought I'd hear about it through gossip, scanner, etc., or maybe didn't have a clue I'd even care.

More kids? (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 12:57 PM

Check your state law regarding adding minors. You may be restricted by what you can do.

More kids? (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 1:01 PM

Most people I see pricing per person are carrying utilities. So 4 people take more showers than 1 person, etc, and get charged more. Does your $675 include gas/electric/water?

So if you have an adult and a toddler in a 1600 sf doublewide, how does it affect your costs as to whether she brings in any other minors, or whether all those spare rooms are being used as a computer room, a craft room, a play room, whatever.

If the nieces were adults, I could see you wanting to screen them and get them on the lease. If you were doing student rentals, I could see you getting $x/person, minimum $y. But for a doublewide and children...? I'm not grasping the logic--- unless you're carrying gas/electric/water in that $675?

More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 1:38 PM

I guess none of you have bought repo's like we have had that had kids that spilled Kool-Aid all over the carpets, wrote with magic markers on the walls, I mean ALL over the walls, or spray painted blue clouds on the walls & ceilings?

That is a lot of what we have taken in (for our inventory). They do more damage than pets in my opinion.

I have ONE MONTHS rent for deposit. All she has to do is walk on that last month & I have nothing for damages.

Never mind, if none of you gets it, my market must be a lot different than the rest of you.

More kids? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 2:07 PM

I know what you mean. These homes are not very forgiving to "hard" living. I would schedule a home visit to get the kid's names anf birthdays added to the folder. Updating the paperwork. This should give you an opportunity to meet them also as your appointment will be when they are available as it's important to know who is living in the home. Then i would assess what my options maybe. Tenant may offer to give you the back story and possible time line of their stay. Teenagers? Toddlers? That's what i would do. Sounds like you could give her 30 days of a change of rent increase. Perhaps she is getting some money from the state for the kids care. I agree. Find out as wear and tear is critical. --99.203.xx.xx

More kids? (by Jean [OK]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 2:07 PM

Pat - I get it. Used to rent out older mobile homes. Unless every square inch has been replaced the interior is much more fragile than stick-built homes. I agree that many more children will likely make a huge difference in what the home will look like when you get it back. Plus that many more going to want a kitty, a puppy. And lots harder to keep place - and yard - clean, especially just one adult. Door frames, cabinet doors, faucets, water heater, flooring, etc.all going to wear out sooner now. I applaud your tenant for taking on this responsibility - especially if she got children out of foster care - but you will likely pay a price for it if you donít raise rent, and maybe even if you do. At the very least be diligent with inspections.

More kids? (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 2:12 PM

I definitely agree that the more kids, likely the more damage. At minimum I would be increasing her deposit (make sure to follow your state/local laws regarding that).

I certainly wouldn't be too keen on learning there are now three new kids in my rental property. Just one can do plenty of damage.

More kids? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 2:56 PM

Our rule is: extra 70 for additional person. (Adult) If your tenant has legal custody-- key word legal from court-- no charge. If just long term with no court order 70.00.

If you had a tenant who got married-- would you charge if partner's new spouse had kids? Or for new partner?

Shacking up-- is different -- no legal document.

More kids? (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 3:02 PM

Congratulations, now get out. That good deed turned out differently didn't it?

She confessed, seems to be improving her life, and you have month-to-month lease. Maybe you can negotiate a higher deposit for the brood to make the risk less costly. I'd also couple that with more site visits to verify. If she knows she's got to keep them under control, she might step up.

More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 4:12 PM

If you could see the before and after pictures of this unit, you might better understand where I am coming from. We replaced just about everything in it. Plus, I just paid $1,450.00 to have a used storage bldg. delivered there for her to use w/o going up on rent. 8 x 16 with 6' sidewalls, shelves & hooks inside. Didn't even get a thank you.

Sure I feel bad for the kids, but how many times have I heard you guys say, I give to charity but I'm not one!

If you don't know it by now, people will sure take advantage of you if you let them. Yes, I am sure she will be compensated for taking them, they are her dead brother's children and they draw social security for them.

I was just asking what most of you would do if you found yourself in a similar circumstance.

More kids? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 4:17 PM

I'd give her 30 day notice that I'm not renewing. No amount of money could she pay to stay. Get your place back and rerent to appropriate size family. Like she was. Thats what i would do. Does that help? --99.203.xx.xx

More kids? (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 4:56 PM

Disclaimer: I have a small number of single family homes, all on different streets, so some of the things I might do may not be good choices if you have multi family units, or units right near each other. Do your own due always.

Iíd do a substantial rent increase at my next annual rent increase, IF I was noticing increased wear and tear, just as I did on a tenant that over-cleans ( yes, too much scrubbing isnít always a good thing.) I would be sure to get the quarterly inspections done on the inside of the property, as I try to do anyway. My policy on damages is to repair and bill as they occur, rather than waiting till the end of the tenancy. Having said that, the increased rent covers many of those costs, so, I can just Ďtake care of ití, tenant isnít afraid to report small things because I donít nickel and dime them. To me, making them pay every time leads them to not report things, somewhere, there is a balance.... That way, the property stays in good shape. My security deposit would NOT increase, to cover additional Ďwear and tearí, rent would. I collect the application at prospective tenantís house when they apply, so I already have a good idea of their housekeeping. During the screening process, I watch and listen to how the family interacts, and document that. I learned that mistake with early tenants. Families who cannot treat each other respectfully donít pass anymore, so, I am pretty comfortable that my tenants could integrate more kids in pretty successfully.

Because I am very patient with kids/ families, I would expect a few Ď bumpsí in the road, as Momma integrates the kids into her household. But, I also know it can be done, so I wouldnít automatically assume anything at this point. It does concern me that tenant wasnít appreciative of the shed, but is more concerning that there wasnít a rent increase, unless you had already given the increase for the year, and are planning a larger increase for next year. My favorite kind of gratitude goes in my bank account.

More kids? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 5:43 PM

I have it written into my lease that 'Addition of a family member or caretaker, aide, companion, husband/wife, etc., (includes newborns) will increase the base rent by $100. per month per person, starting the month following the addition and all additions must be approved by the Landlord". It's hard to say no to kids who need TLC, or to a caretaker for an aging or ill Tenant, but the money will come in handy or it will make the Tenant think twice about adding people to the rental whenever they want.

More kids? (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 8:19 PM

I would simply up the rent based on the shed, maybe there are more kids out there?

More kids? (by Sorta Blonde [CA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 8:30 PM

"Speaking of sheds. I provided them for my rentals and then had to add a new section to the lease. "NO living, cooking, or any other activities except storage in the shed.". We have people around here who gladly would live in a small metal shed. Not kidding. I've had a few ask about mine and we have a neighbor who owns property in a close city who got raided by the Police and Hazmat for allowing people to live in all sorts of makeshift stuff. Only way the they found out is when a huge fire started. Thank goodness nobody was killed. That's when I added the no living in shed clause. Life is strange.

More kids? (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 8:30 PM

Pat, caution. Federal fair housing laws say that tenants can add as many kids as they want and that includes all sorts of different relationships.

So, whatever you decide to do, do not make it have anything to do with the increased number of children. That house is plenty big enough for four kids.

If you are going to ease them out, do not let the word "children" cross your lips. Straight "I need to have my house back" all the way and no other reason given.

More kids? (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 8:42 PM

Thanks for the advice, it is much appreciated. BTW, we did have a tenant try to grow marijuana in a small 6 x 8 shed with 4 walls, with all of the lights on it, he melted the asphalt shingles! I had the residue on the floor tested by a deputy after they moved, I did not know it ahead of time. Only that he complained about the electric bill a lot! The nerve! I got rid of him for other reasons.

We actually added the building for a buyers appeal, I am thinking about selling a few properties. Want to spend more time at the beach.

More kids? (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 15, 2019 10:45 PM

I understand your frustration that many kids may do more damage that regular wear and tear. Where that may very well be true, it is also true that it sounds like a fair issue that you are creating

It also sounds like you might be experience training issues with some of your residents. Additionally, if you are aware that a resident isn't following the rules that you have set down, you need to ID what actions have you done to ensure that they try to do so

More kids? (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2019 9:32 AM

a while back there were some threads on asking residents what they thought their rent increase should be.

My 1st thought was this GED educated woman can't afford anything more with 3 extra kids but then someone mentioned the SS money that comes with them.

I would ask her what her rent increase should be and if it is acceptable go with it - If not then tell her she has to go.

More kids? (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2019 12:48 PM

/taking in kids is a money maker for the tenant. We have several who do this.

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