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Sloppy signature question (by Jen [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 9:40 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by NE [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 9:44 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by NE [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 9:45 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by AllyM [NJ]) Jun 7, 2019 10:27 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by Jen [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 10:32 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by Still Learning [NH]) Jun 7, 2019 10:38 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by NE [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 10:43 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by S i d [MO]) Jun 7, 2019 11:21 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by AllyM [NJ]) Jun 7, 2019 11:51 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by Jen [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 11:56 AM
       Sloppy signature question (by Doogie [KS]) Jun 7, 2019 12:00 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Ken [NY]) Jun 7, 2019 12:15 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Vee [OH]) Jun 7, 2019 12:21 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Moshe [CA]) Jun 7, 2019 12:33 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jun 7, 2019 12:42 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by 6x6 [TN]) Jun 7, 2019 1:11 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by S i d [MO]) Jun 7, 2019 1:27 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Nicole [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 2:01 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Moshe [CA]) Jun 7, 2019 3:28 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Ed [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 9:05 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Jen [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 9:13 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by 6x6 [TN]) Jun 8, 2019 3:59 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Jane [CA]) Jun 8, 2019 11:41 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Moshe [CA]) Jun 9, 2019 12:59 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Ken [NY]) Jun 9, 2019 8:48 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Jun 9, 2019 9:41 PM
       Sloppy signature question (by 6x6 [TN]) Jun 10, 2019 6:08 PM

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Sloppy signature question (by Jen [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 9:40 AM
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I put up a 3 day notice for lack of rent payment to a new resident who is also young. My signature is not legible to make out the name. I am also in a relatively small town so if someone try to figure it out it's not hard order to talk to others.

The things that disturbs me is that the resident communicated via text, I would like to know the name of the person that signed this

Of all things that are important on that paper, in my opinion that has very little importance. But I really didn't know the most important response while appearing professional

Property is in a llc

--199.114.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 9:44 AM
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Ignore the text. --174.201.x.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 9:45 AM
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Also, if I post the door with something, I don't even sign it. All it says is what it needs to say. Then thank you for your attention to this matter, business name LLC. --174.201.x.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 10:27 AM
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So you could not read the tenant's signature? Writing isn't being taught in most schools, only printing. They can't read cursive writing anymore. One of the tellers at my bank had to show my check to another teller to read the written amount to him. Start printing on envelopes when you write an address or they won't get where you want them to. --173.61.xxx.xx




Sloppy signature question (by Jen [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 10:32 AM
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No my signature is purposely sloppy. --199.114.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 10:38 AM
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I sign with the printed LLC name and then sign my first name only with the word manager after or under my signature. Unless a full name is required. --107.77.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 10:43 AM
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They acknowledged receipt of the notice by TEXTING you about the notice. Doesn't matter if Mickey Mouse signed it. --174.201.x.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 11:21 AM
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Unless you are required to sign the notice by law, don't. Problem solved.

I don't sign our leases. The TENANT is promising to abide by the terms of the lease, not me. The law already spells out what my duties and responsibilities are, so I simply comply with them. Other than that, me handing them the keys is what seals the deal.

Never had a problem in court with a lease I have not signed. The question is "Did the tenant sign a lease agreeing to pay rent and then failed to pay rent?" If the answer is "Yes on both count"...we're done. --173.20.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 11:51 AM
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I am not ashamed of what I do and I do it well and properly. I never mind signing anything and do it in the same manner as John Hancock so that even King George can read it. Something is not right when people won't sign their documents and hide from their customers. --173.61.xxx.xx




Sloppy signature question (by Jen [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 11:56 AM
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Asset protection ally --74.141.xx.xx




Sloppy signature question (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 12:00 PM
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They are wanting to talk to someone to "work with them". I'm not sure I would even reply, but you can tell them the property manager if you want. If it goes to court, it will be ok. --72.209.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 12:15 PM
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I would tell them I signed it,at least here an eviction notice has to be signed and I have no problem with the buck stops here.How is signing sloppy asset protection? I don't get how some here think no one should have there last name,seems shady to me --72.231.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 12:21 PM
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I don't work with anyone, too much attention devoted to family and church people, I have adopted a zero tolerance regarding rent payment not in by 5pm on the first, your police officers operate this way issuing tickets for driving thru a red light, libraries have fines for overdue materials, the grocery store has a cash register where you check out items taken from the shelves. Lazy landlords have high blood pressure wondering when the rent payments will be made, just follow your local and state tenant rules and observe in person in advance how housing court works, if all landlords were lazy and other tenants paid rent on time that building would be an exercise room for seniors early and youth groups after school. --76.188.xxx.xx




Sloppy signature question (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 12:33 PM
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Notice needs to be signed. The legibility of the signature is not so important, but the notice should make clear who is giving notice.

Professional practice would be to print name, address and telephone number of noticer underneath the signature.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 12:42 PM
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Jan,

Congrats for staying on top of this!

The deadbeat is wanting to argue and distract you from the main issue - nonpayment. I would ignore the text and proceed with eviction.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 1:11 PM
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I would text them back and tell them it was me and ask them where the rent is. It might be better as others said though to ignore and proceed with eviction process.

Sid, if I am not mistaken in my state the law says both the LL and tenant have to sign the lease. --73.120.xx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 1:27 PM
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I'm as shady as they come. Just call me "S i d the Shadow"... ;-) --173.20.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 2:01 PM
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going forward, change your lease so you don't need to give notice.

I also have no problem w/my name. Should a lawyer want to come after your assets, a sloppy signature or hiding behind an LLC won't do more than slow them down a tad. --72.70.xxx.xx




Sloppy signature question (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 3:28 PM
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Shady Sid , et.al.

Seems that you are not comfortable in the environment of honesty and fairness.

On the issue of requiring signature of tenant, while you don't sign, it doesn't really make any difference. The lease is a (mutual) contract which obligates both parties. Even if you don't put a signature, contracts are also made by behavior, so by offering YOUR lease to the tenant, requiring them to sign it, retaining a copy, and giving them the keys and by continuing to accept rent, YOU AGREED TO THE CONTRACT AND ARE OBLIGATED BY IT.

I am quite comfortable out here in sunny CA, with being open and fair, signing mutually fair agreements, putting my name, address and telephone number beneath my signature, presenting myself in court as the landlord and facing up to my obligations. I have faith in CA courts, without having to look to some subterfuge to try to escape obligations.

Being open and honest goes a long way. I haven't been in court in about 20 years. Actually, right now, I have a situation where I made an agreement with a tenant (architect, young, masters degree, wife and baby, everyone is pleasant and agreeable, pays rent on the dot,) where I stipulated in the lease that I (landlord) could modify the lease in a certain way by certified mail notification, but they never picked up the certified mail. Its not an important modification, and actually, here in CA, the service is valid even though they never picked up the certified mail, but they'll be gone after the lease expires, because I don't have such a relationship with any of my other tenants, for many, many years. I only keep tenants with whom I can work honestly, comfortably and mutually, and with whom I can make and keep agreements.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Ed [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 9:05 PM
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In PA, Notice of Default doesn't require a legal signature, there are no words or format defined or required. It just needs to let the tenant know they have violated the lease and need to correct. Do not respond to the inquiry of name, proceed with eviction if the violation is not corrected.

As Nicole noted, modify your lease to have tenants waive the notice to quit.

--71.112.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Jen [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 9:13 PM
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I do appreciate all of the advice. There is another aspect to not having your name out everywhere which has nothing to do with pride of what you do. Everyone has seen newscast wear a landlord was killed. I do Not pretend to know everyone’s mental status and history has shown doing something right does not automatically mean you’ll be safe --74.141.xx.xx




Sloppy signature question (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2019 3:59 PM
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Moshe, If I read your response correctly you are saying that you will not renew the lease of the tenant who did not pick up the certified mail.

Is that right?

Other wise they sound like great tenants.

Could you clarify a little more why this would be a deal breaker?

Thank you for your time. --73.120.xx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Jane [CA]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2019 11:41 PM
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All my paper work has a line for the printed name then the signature. --172.8.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2019 12:59 PM
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6 x 6:

Yes, tenants with whom I cannot trust to keep agreements cannot remain tenants of mine. By declining to pick up their certified mail, they have demonstrated an immaturity that I will not tolerate, because I take only mature, intelligent and trustworthy tenants. These tenants are well educated, old enough to be mature, in all other respects, they have behaved like the kind of tenants that I really want to keep, but they have failed the test of good faith and fair dealing. If they had changed their mind about our agreement, they should have discussed it with me and worked out a mutually satisfacory agreement with me.

They are in their first year with me, they came to Southern California from the Bay area (San Francisco, Oakland to be exact) where the balance between landlords and tenants is much further ahead than down here in the Southland. Oakland has drastic rent control, including just-cause eviction. The husband in this case, came from the Midwest to the Bay Area, where he met his wife and the baby was born, and they found digs in Oakland, so he may not yet understand how we work here in La-La land, at least for now.

The real key to effective landlording is in choosing and keeping tenants with whom you can have this relationship of good faith and fair dealing. That relationship needs to work both ways. I am fair and honest with my tenants, and I expect (must have) the same relationship in return. I keep the rent below market for these kind of tenants, so that their loss of tenancy from me means that they will have to pay more on the open market, besides losing a desirable property.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2019 8:48 PM
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Moshe,have you considered the post office left a note telling them there letter is at the post office and they have no idea who it is from so they didn't bother to spend an hour going to get it? why don't you just send a letter regular first class?personally I think you are just looking to start a fight for no good reason --72.231.xxx.xxx




Sloppy signature question (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2019 9:41 PM
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Where I agree with what you are saying Moshe, can you prove what you say in a manner to a resident repeatedly? For some the answer is a resounding yes.....and for others - the fact you hold any kind of authority, you are suspect. I am sure you are fair and honest - isn't everyone all the time?

It is so easy for me to judge anyone.....that is until I am actually in there shoes. That makes things a great deal tougher, and the words "it depends" more valid and less black in white.

Jen - Your resident wants to speak to someone. Try to help them out if they are keepers, if they are PITA = also help them out......the door. That is really up to you though --24.101.xxx.xx




Sloppy signature question (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2019 6:08 PM
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Thank you Moshe --73.120.xx.xxx



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