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Time to ban Robert (by JR [ME]) Jun 5, 2019 10:41 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by #22 [MO]) Jun 5, 2019 10:55 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by Gene [OH]) Jun 5, 2019 11:08 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by beelocks [NH]) Jun 6, 2019 7:22 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by S i d [MO]) Jun 6, 2019 7:23 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by plenty [MO]) Jun 6, 2019 7:26 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by Richard [MI]) Jun 6, 2019 7:52 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by myob [GA]) Jun 6, 2019 8:54 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by NE [PA]) Jun 6, 2019 8:55 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Jun 6, 2019 9:37 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by Mike45 [NV]) Jun 6, 2019 2:42 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Jun 6, 2019 5:20 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Jun 6, 2019 11:06 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by R [OH]) Jun 7, 2019 12:14 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Jun 7, 2019 12:27 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JB [OR]) Jun 7, 2019 1:48 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by Nicole [PA]) Jun 7, 2019 8:08 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JB [OR]) Jun 7, 2019 11:06 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JB [OR]) Jun 7, 2019 11:20 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by J [FL]) Jun 8, 2019 3:19 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JR [ME]) Jun 8, 2019 5:52 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JR [OR]) Jun 9, 2019 12:22 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Jun 9, 2019 6:50 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Jun 10, 2019 3:53 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Jun 10, 2019 5:41 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Jun 10, 2019 6:03 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by NE [PA]) Jun 10, 2019 6:07 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Jun 11, 2019 5:11 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Jun 11, 2019 10:31 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Jun 11, 2019 10:33 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by S i d [MO]) Jun 11, 2019 12:20 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Jun 11, 2019 4:38 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Jun 12, 2019 9:29 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Jun 12, 2019 9:32 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Jun 12, 2019 9:57 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by J [FL]) Jun 12, 2019 10:33 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Jun 12, 2019 12:56 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Jun 12, 2019 12:58 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Jun 12, 2019 3:54 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by J [FL]) Jun 12, 2019 10:13 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by Robert J [CA]) Jun 13, 2019 3:19 AM
       Time to ban Robert (by Cjo’h [CT]) Jun 16, 2019 8:56 PM
       Time to ban Robert (by Busy [WI]) Jun 16, 2019 11:04 PM

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Time to ban Robert (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Jun 5, 2019 10:41 PM
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Jeffrey, it is time to permanently ban Robert (CA). See “Free Loaders” post.

He openly brags about committing a felony, as he has many times before. You put up with his fantasy posts. Enough. --50.207.xxx.xx




Time to ban Robert (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Jun 5, 2019 10:55 PM
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Hold your holly and re read the thread. --174.234.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by Gene [OH]) Posted on: Jun 5, 2019 11:08 PM
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JR, as #22 mentions reread the post and you will see that someone used Robert J's name but the post was missing the 3 stars and the IP address at the end was not the IP address that Robert J[CA] *** uses. Therefore, we can tell that the post was faked and was not posted by Robert J [CA]***. As a landlord, always be a little skeptical and verify. --99.165.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by beelocks [NH]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 7:22 AM
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Often Robert J's posts are amusing and sometimes informative.

You could always be the adult in the room and treat him like TV ads - ignore them if you don't like them.

I'm just sitting here quietly waiting for "Robert J, Vigilante Landlord" the action movie; the plot twist at the end is where the entire Country falls into line and mandates that everyone does business this way :) --98.229.xxx.xx




Time to ban Robert (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 7:23 AM
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I think this post needs to be removed. It is libelous. --172.56.xx.xx




Time to ban Robert (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 7:26 AM
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At least he can spell and type. I dont mind his post and enjoy them. --99.203.xx.xx




Time to ban Robert (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 7:52 AM
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I enjoy the real Robert I . I've learned a few things from his posts and value advice that works, whereever it comes from.

--71.10.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 8:54 AM
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JR ME hope you do better verifying your rent applications then what you claimed here. Ban!!!! Illegal!!!

Again the path of stealing rent and services is not wrong -- only what LL's do. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 8:55 AM
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Whoever wrote it did a good job. I had a feeling it was fake, but I laughed when I read it. --174.201.x.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 9:37 AM
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Maybe instead of banning Robert, the person who pretended to be him should receive a short period of suspension.

Whoever you are, keep in mind that landlords don't appreciate identity theft. Which is what you just did. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 2:42 PM
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Darn, the post from the false Robert J is gone before I had a chance to read it! --71.38.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 5:20 PM
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I actually have learned a few things from the real Robert J, some of his posts seem “hypothetical” in nature but there are others on here that post crazy stuff a lot too. I have a bigger issue with whoever posted something using his name, that’s really not cool in my opinion. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: Jun 6, 2019 11:06 PM
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Darn, I always miss the good stuff. And I was going to have popcorn Ubered over! LOL --47.216.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by R [OH]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 12:14 PM
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Dsrn, I missed the post. I've always enjoyed the real Robert J posts. I have learned quite a few things from him and hope that he always post. --12.47.xx.xx




Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 12:27 PM
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I'm one of the ones that tends to "call out" Robert on some of his more "creative" posts, but it's still not cool at all to pretend to be him.

Although, it was extreme enough that I think it was clearly intended as a joke. An "homage to Robert" maybe.

The fact that some people thought it was ACTUALLY Robert when it was that crazy of a post just goes to show how "creative" some of his posts are. heh.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 1:48 PM
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Now I have to know. Can someone summarize the gist of the original post? --24.20.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 8:08 PM
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standard - I'm a contractor - followed by broke into the unit while everyone was sleeping and pistol whipped some or all the folks that were there.

everyone should have known it wasn't true ... I thought he was making an over the top post deliberately knowing no one would believe it --72.70.xxx.xx




Time to ban Robert (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 11:06 PM
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LOL, thanks Nicole. That's very amusing. Sounds like that poster is trying to one up Robert J.

I think most of us appreciate what Robert J adds to the mix. And it would be ridiculous to think anyone would take that seriously. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2019 11:20 PM
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Last week I had to take a belt to one of my hard to deal with tenants, so I can appreciate the stern reaction. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2019 3:19 PM
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I take some of what he says with a huge grain of salt but I do think he knows an awful lot about home repairs. I've been impressed by his knowledge. --72.188.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2019 5:52 PM
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I don’t mind most of his posts, which are hard to believe are true but harmless., But he regularly brags about committing crimes, like impersonating an officer, restraint of his tenants, faking hazardous waste transport, etc, etc. That is not right, and it is not right for this site to post them.

I don’t know if his recent post about pistol-whipping a tenant are from him or an imposter, but is there one of us here who doesn’t think that, due to his history sounds a lot like what he would say? --174.192.x.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JR [OR]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2019 12:22 AM
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JR, I think maybe it's time to begin your own site and then you can dis-invite anyone you wish to. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2019 6:50 AM
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JR [ME], from what I understand Robert J has been at this since the late 70’s. Times have changed, actions that were acceptable and commonplace then, are no longer. This is a site for LL’s to seek advice, share ideas, and share their experiences. If you don’t like reading what he posts, don’t read it when you see his name. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2019 3:53 PM
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While that is true, JKJ, I think it is important to remember that lots of NEW landlords show up here to ask questions. While WE all know Robert J and how he posts here -- they wouldn't know that yet. So, when they ask a question about how to do something about a tenant problem that they are having -- and Robert J replies with some story where he did one of the things that JR just mentioned (impersonating the police, for example) -- then it is important for someone to point out that Robert's story is either fictitious or, at least, very outdated and BAD ADVICE.

It isn't a matter of just going "if you don't like Robert's posts, then don't read them." It isn't that simple when he's replying to newbies that don't know better (and he does that very often). He may be TRYING to help, but often his posts would be dangerous to most landlords today -- many of whom visit here that might not know better.

So, I'm fine with him posting just like everyone else -- but I hope people DO continue to "call him out" when he posts things that he may have done in the 1970s that were likely illegal then and are definitely illegal now. It isn't just an "experience" story when it is given as a response to some newbie asking for help...

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2019 5:41 PM
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John, If a “newbie LL” as you say post a question here, then reads ALL the replies from everyone else offering them excellent advice, but instead chooses to use Robert J’s story and perform some illegal act, they have MUCH bigger problems. Secondly, I happen to agree with you, if you disagree or feel you need to “call out” Robert, or anyone for that matter, then you should. I myself have replied “ooookaay” to 1 of his posts and “is this real or hypothetical” to another, in addition I have learned from some of his advise. But that is not what JR [ME] posted originally, he said “TIME TO BAN ROBERT”! So in regards to that statement, if you don’t like what someone (not just Robert) post’s, then don’t read it, don’t expect someone to be banned! In your case, if you don’t agree with his advise, or think he should be “called out” when he posts a story, then call him out. It’s just that simple. All the people that replied to this thread, (with the exception of 2) supported Robert, thankfully Jeffrey and Webmaster Rick also don’t agree that Robert J should be banned because he never missed a beat and kept on offering his advise and stories to everyone that wishes to read them. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2019 6:03 PM
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I enjoy reading Robert J’s stories, I’m not always sure they are factual, but that doesn’t matter, I get a chuckle at the least. I also think Robert is extremely knowledgeable on home repairs, and I have learned from his posts many times. Another point your missing is, if a “newbie” reads Roberts post of dealing with a LL/tenant issue in some crazy illegal manner, (as we all know he does) and he is called out on it, (as we agree he should be), then that is a learning experience for the new LL. We have all I’m sure “wanted” to do what Robert has posted at 1 time or another, but we know better. As you said a “newbie” may not, and by reading the posts that offer good advise, reading Roberts example of what not to do, and reading the posts that “call out” Robert, then the new LL is learning the right, wrong, and why of LLing. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2019 6:07 PM
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John...., that can go for A LOT of advice given that newbies may read.

That's why I think this forum would greatly benefit from an anonymous thumbs up, thumbs down voting system that is allowed to be cast once from each IP address for responses given.

Some advice is great, some middle of the road, some makes no sense whatsoever and some is TOTAL GARBAGE.

Not picking on Robert J, just saying in general. --50.32.xxx.xx




Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 11, 2019 5:11 AM
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NE, the “thumbs up/down” is a good thought! --71.248.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 11, 2019 10:31 AM
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JKJ: Yes, but remember that JR[ME]'s original "time to ban Robert J" was based on a FAKE POST, of course. He thought that Robert had finally gone "too far" and was flat out telling someone to BEAT people to get what he wanted.

I don't think that anyone actually wants to ban anyone at this point -- because that was apparently a joke post (or malicious -- depending on who you might ask).

My point is that, at some point, if a person were repeatedly recommending illegal actions and actually MEANT it, then maybe banning makes sense more than just having people "call them out." But, again, that didn't really happen here -- so I don't think anyone is seriously calling for a ban of anyone, of course.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 11, 2019 10:33 AM
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NE: Yes, it applies to lots of advice for newbies -- but the difference is that there is a HUGE difference between "poor" advice and ILLEGAL advice.

If someone here is repeatedly recommending doing something that is illegal -- then I think it may make sense to take more action than just going "yeah, just ignore him -- he's been around since the 70s and 'things were different' then." I don't think that's a good thing to allow to continue long-term.

So, yes, there is lots of advice given here -- ranging from great to poor -- but that's still very different from advice that recommends breaking the law.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 11, 2019 12:20 PM
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Well, as long as this thread is still limping along here's what I think...

JR made the post and later found out it (most likely) wasn't RobertJ. Time to apologize. That's what we do when they screw up and trash someone elses' name.

It's not a valid excuse to say, "Well, maybe he didn't do it THIS time but he does it other time..." When you mess up, you mess up. Be a decent human being and admit your error.

Next time check the IP address and stars by the name before writing something so brazen. Or if in doubt you can always send the message privately to the webmaster as this site encourages. There's no need to "call out" publicly for banning someone in a post. Respect Jeffrey's rules and follow the processes he has established, so we can all remain civil in our variety of view.

--173.20.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 11, 2019 4:38 PM
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John, I have never read a post of his where he recommended someone do something illegal! There’s a huge difference between posting about a way he dealt with a tenant, illegal or otherwise, and recommending someone to do something illegal. --174.199.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2019 9:29 AM
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Sid: Just to note it, I'm pretty sure the stars are based only on the name. So, trusting them is not a good idea. (In this situation, they actually typo'ed on his name and left out the space between Robert and the "J" -- so that is why it didn't match up. But if they HAD done it right, it would have matched.)

Just saying that trusting the Stars isn't enough. And, heck, trusting the IP isn't enough either since we have some people where it changes regularly -- and/or is shared by several people.

If we want to "trust" names on this site, then we need a real forum system with usernames. I know some are opposed to that -- including Jeffrey (although he did seem to indicate after the recent site problem that maybe it was an option down the road) -- but that is the only real way to prevent people from pretending to be others and having any reliable way to "trust" who it really is.

Note that I agree with you about this situation though -- once it was discovered that it wasn't Robert J, an apology was in order (even if he DOES often post similar to that). :)

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2019 9:32 AM
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JKJ: Ok, we can agree to disagree. In my opinion, if a newbie LL comes in and goes "I seem to have some non-payers in my unit that I can't get rid of -- how do I start the eviction process in my state?" and someone replies with "Well, what I did was take the hinges off the door and they left!" -- then that seems to be "recommending someone do something illegal."

It isn't just "posting about a way he dealt with a tenant in an illegal manner one day" unless that is made clear.

Again, that is why I said that, for newbies that don't know the person, those sorts of "stories" can very well seem like "recommendations" or "answers" to their question.

Again, if you don't see that, then we can agree to disagree. I, personally, think it is bad advice that could be taken wrong by newbies that are asking questions.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2019 9:57 AM
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John, if a new LL reads all the responses they get to a question, follows Jeffery’s recommendation, “We suggest that you read MANY responses to any posting to get various or confirming answers. Always do your DUE DILIGENCE on tips shared and seek professional assistance when needed” and still perform some illegal activity because Robert or someone else posted what they had done, that individual has much bigger problems!!! We will just agree to disagree as you said. --174.199.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2019 10:33 AM
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John I agree that Robert J (or anyone else) who gives illegal advice should be called out.

But I would rather have Robert J than some other posters. I'm thinking specifically of the one who post one liner "jokes" on almost every thread, mixed with bad advice. But that person seems to be gone now. --72.188.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2019 12:56 PM
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JKJ: Yeah, yeah. That sounds great in theory, but isn't likely to be how the real world works. People don't come here asking for advice and then decide to do a bunch of research on their local laws and "seek professional assistance."

That's a nice "cover our butts" statement, but it just isn't reality.

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2019 12:58 PM
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J: That's fine. I'm not suggesting at all that anyone be "removed" or "banned." That being said, I stand by what I said above:

If someone here is repeatedly recommending doing something that is illegal -- then I think it may make sense to take more action than just going "yeah, just ignore him -- he's been around since the 70s and 'things were different' then." I don't think that's a good thing to allow to continue long-term.

There seems to be a lot of people here going "What Robert J says isn't a big deal because he's just a Good Old Boy from back when that used to be commonplace." Um, yeah, that's not a good enough excuse to me, sorry.

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2019 3:54 PM
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All righty then, your opinion has been duly noted John. --174.199.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by J [FL]) Posted on: Jun 12, 2019 10:13 PM
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@John

I agree, that someone brand new at this could be very credulous and naive, and might not be able to see through bad advice. --72.188.xx.xxx




Time to ban Robert (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jun 13, 2019 3:19 AM
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I never impersonated a police officer. You must have misread my post.

I've had a City Housing Inspectors impersonate Emigration officer.

I've had Building and Safety Inspectors issue me a STOP ORDER for an emergency plumbing job. If I didn't finish the job then sewerage would have been discharged on the street and there would have been a health and safety issue AND I would have been fined. So the City Inspector got a arrest warrant issued and tried to have the Police arrest me for working on my own property. The signer of the arrest warrant wasn't a real Judge, but the Senor Building Inspector. They try to scare contractor to compliance with fraud. I got to finish my work and I did have a permit that I pulled on line but the City inspectors with their I-pads can't access that system....

I've made private person's arrest. I've scared gang member off of my apartment properties because the police were too busy giving protector to VIP's.

I used to be a wholesale jeweler and was licensed to carry for protection. But when i started a family I no longer wanted to carry a weapon so I studied martial arts. But when I go to some of my properties in bad locations, I do carry mace, paper spray, taser dart gun and lethal weapons too. The police are hard to reach and take too much time to show up...Average response anywhere between 30 minutes to 4 hours. --47.156.xx.xx




Time to ban Robert (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2019 8:56 PM
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Here in the Colonies the term ,nieve is used a lot,back in the fields of Derry,”Soft in the head” is more appropriate...........Charlie.................. --32.214.xxx.xx




Time to ban Robert (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Jun 16, 2019 11:04 PM
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Charlie!! How ya doin? How’s the new cooker working? And the grandkids? --70.92.xxx.xxx



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