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102 Year Old Evicted (by GKARL [PA]) May 25, 2019 7:29 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Johnny B. [MA]) May 25, 2019 8:01 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by NE [PA]) May 25, 2019 8:08 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by LindaJ [NY]) May 26, 2019 7:31 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Oregonwoodsmoke [ID]) May 26, 2019 9:18 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by myob [GA]) May 26, 2019 9:21 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by NE [PA]) May 26, 2019 9:21 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by myob [GA]) May 26, 2019 9:55 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by LindaJ [NY]) May 26, 2019 10:03 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by CDM [CA]) May 26, 2019 10:34 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by bet [MA]) May 26, 2019 11:14 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by bet [MA]) May 26, 2019 11:14 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by WL [CA]) May 26, 2019 11:42 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by NE [PA]) May 26, 2019 12:17 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) May 26, 2019 12:38 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by MC [PA]) May 26, 2019 1:45 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by fred [CA]) May 26, 2019 2:01 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by GKARL [PA]) May 26, 2019 2:21 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) May 26, 2019 2:41 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) May 26, 2019 2:49 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by GKARL [PA]) May 26, 2019 3:35 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) May 26, 2019 4:10 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Jeff [CO]) May 26, 2019 6:41 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Robert J [CA]) May 26, 2019 7:40 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by david [NC]) May 26, 2019 7:48 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by GKARL [PA]) May 26, 2019 9:00 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) May 26, 2019 10:24 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Live The Dream [AZ]) May 27, 2019 12:49 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Live The Dream [AZ]) May 27, 2019 1:19 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by David [NC]) May 27, 2019 7:16 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) May 27, 2019 12:42 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Jeff [CO]) May 27, 2019 5:41 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Live The Dream [AZ]) May 27, 2019 9:10 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by JB [OR]) May 28, 2019 1:22 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) May 28, 2019 11:44 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Ed [PA]) May 28, 2019 8:13 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) May 28, 2019 8:40 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 29, 2019 12:58 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 29, 2019 12:59 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by CGB [MI]) May 31, 2019 12:38 PM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by S i d [MO]) Jun 3, 2019 11:27 AM
       102 Year Old Evicted (by Jeff [CO]) Jun 3, 2019 4:01 PM
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102 Year Old Evicted (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: May 25, 2019 7:29 PM
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You can google the story, but to sum it up, a California LL non renewed a m2m rental on an 102 year old who lived in the place for 30 years. He's moving his daughter in the unit. This made national news and they're calling it an eviction that's "totally legal" and chased the guy down to get him on camera. The term "eviction" is far more emotionally charged than simply saying the rental agreement wasn't renewed.

There's a lot of sympathy for tenants and very little for LL's . Not to sound heartless, but this woman probably needs to be living with extended family or assisted living anyway. I wonder what sorts of issues the LL encountered with an 102 year old living alone. We're not provided with that side of the story.

--50.196.xxx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: May 25, 2019 8:01 PM
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I’d be curious to know what she’s been paying for rent too... I bet it’s way under market given the length of her tenancy and the rent control that they have in CA. --24.147.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 25, 2019 8:08 PM
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I can't wait to see what draconian fairy tale law California dreams up after this. --174.201.xx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 7:31 AM
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Why do you say she should be with family or assisted living? Just because of her age? There is much to be said for "aging in place" as we call it here. Maybe her family had decided that helping her stay in her place and live independently was best for her.

That said, yes it should be the LL decision to not renew, but then how often have we talked here about not renting to family and friends? LOL --108.4.xxx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Oregonwoodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 9:18 AM
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It's easier to "age in place" in a home that you own or that your close family owns. It isn't the landlord's job to provide a place for her to "age in place".

Perhaps she is getting along fine. Perhaps not. But it is time for her family to step in and take some responsibility.

It's also possible that the landlord generously decided to allow her to "age in place" but 25 years after that decision was made, he has gotten tired of waiting to get his house back. She's certainly lived longer than we generally expect a tenant to live so that might be a longer term commitment than the landlord planned on.

(But my bet is that the tenant is having old age and memory problems that make her unsuitable to independent living) --98.146.xxx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by myob [GA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 9:21 AM
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Suck it up butter cup!!!!! Really you let someone stay 30+ years and NOW you want them out???? naw you made your bed now sleep in it.

Good laugh on Linda's aging in place at 102--- that's 102 not 10.2....

This is the type of negative news we LL's don't need. Most city's are just aching to MAKE THAT BAD LL PAY for everything and everyone living on the street. It's a housing problem!!!!! Caused by you know who.

Lets shift the blame to the charities who have countless unfilled shelters each night. Why can't these "charity shelters" allow the homeless to bring in their liquor, women, men, drugs and drug making equipment. Theres no reason each bed couldn't have it's own bong? After all these people have rights. --99.103.xxx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 9:21 AM
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Ages 18 to 108, a tenant is 1 rent payment away from moving at all times. --50.107.xxx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by myob [GA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 9:55 AM
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NE now that is the truth. One bump inthe road!!!!!! --99.103.xxx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 10:03 AM
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Yes, it is easier to age in place if you own the place. But California makes that difficult. You don't know if the family is not helping her at this point. Stopping in every day and checking on things, taking her out. I have seen lots of VERY old people, that you would never guess their age until told. There are people in their 90s still mowing their lawns. As I try to help my parents every day stay in their home - I am just a little sensitive to assumptions about older people. We also have a number of rental in our area that are catering to the older crowd, not having to do their yard work and repairs. So renting can be attractive to older people. She would have been 70 when she started renting this.

We also don't know the LL side of things, so as much as I say he has the right to do this and she might have been his worse tenant, (note he owns other house in this group) but in CA, with the bad press, this is probably going to make a whole bunch of new laws to prevent this. That is going to affect everyone. Maybe even those not in CA as the trend to government regulating everything is spreading. I will bet the LL did not expect her stay this long as well.

Yes, the word evicted should not be used here, but even some of the posts on this board misuse the word. Of course the media is more than happy to sensationalize this. --108.4.xxx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by CDM [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 10:34 AM
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FYI, California bashers, Most of California doesn't have rent control. --162.230.xxx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by bet [MA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 11:14 AM
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I am in agreement with Oregonwoodsmoke. We are having a similar issue. Elderly tenant that we have given repeated notice that we are not renewing her lease. She has 3 active children that are not taking the hard responsibility of taking care of their 80 yr plus mom. The fire dept now has a lock box on my property so they can get in to pick up up of the floor. We are thinking of selling and her adult children have asked us to wait another yr. No good deed goes unpunished. I am sure this will not end well for us, even though she has lived there for decades at under below market rent. We are going to do what is in our best interest, as we are in the business of renting out space for a profit. Not operating as a non profit.

--45.19.xxx.x




102 Year Old Evicted (by bet [MA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 11:14 AM
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I am in agreement with Oregonwoodsmoke. We are having a similar issue. Elderly tenant that we have given repeated notice that we are not renewing her lease. She has 3 active children that are not taking the hard responsibility of taking care of their 80 yr plus mom. The fire dept now has a lock box on my property so they can get in to pick up up of the floor. We are thinking of selling and her adult children have asked us to wait another yr. No good deed goes unpunished. I am sure this will not end well for us, even though she has lived there for decades at under below market rent. We are going to do what is in our best interest, as we are in the business of renting out space for a profit. Not operating as a non profit.

--45.19.xxx.x




102 Year Old Evicted (by WL [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 11:42 AM
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Some families use LL apartments as impromptu insane asylums or a retirement communities for relatives. My dad had one family rent an apartment for a relative years ago - later, he realized they couldn't afford a mental health care hospital so his 1 bedroom was now where they dumped him. Guy used to howl at the moon but wasn't violent. Beware of families renting places for a relative you have never met - likely nuts or whatever. --174.65.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 12:17 PM
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In reference to what WL states, don't do 3rd party placement. Pre-screen, show, screen, communicate with only the person signing the lease. --50.107.xxx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 12:38 PM
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A little familiarity with the relevant law helps to explicate the situation.

The case in question took place in unincorporated Los Angeles County which has a "temporary" rent control ordinance. This "temporary" ordinance was put into place after last November's election which rejected a state-wide ballot-initiative to invalidate a landlord protection law which provided items like vacancy decontrol regardless of existence of any local rent-control. This "temporary" rent control ordinance was to have lasted for 6 months, and has already been extended for another 6 months. Whatever will be the future of unincorporated Los Angeles County regarding government control of rentals remains unknown. Obviously, the fight is on to establish that control in all of California as we speak.

CBS reported that the landlord's daughter just graduated from law school. The way that the legal dynamics work is that a landlord MAY recover possession of a property for the purpose of providing the dwelling for a relative despite rent-control, and then the property is decontrolled, meaning that the controlled-rent baseline level can be set at whatever amount the landlord chooses and can get. In Los Angeles City, the Rent Stabilization Ordinance provides for landlord to provide relocation payments to the expelled tenant, but in unincorporated Los Angeles County, no such payments are required. Thus, the possibility arises that the landlord could use such a tactic as expelling a tenant in favor of moving in a relative, as a device for raising the rent control baseline. That the landlord's daughter just graduated from law school doesn't help the public perception of the story.

As I mentioned, the fight is on in CA (and elsewhere, too) to establish government control of rentals. A recent CA State Assembly bill (AB 1482) passed out of committee about 10 days ago with a do pass recommendation, to establish a state-wide rent control of 5% plus CPI yearly, and including a provision that a landlord is forbidden to expel tenant for the purpose of decontrolling the rent control baseline. It creates a rebuttable presumption that that was landlord's intent, in the absence of a landlord statement giving landlord's reason for the expulsion in the expulsion notice.

All of these maneuvers are a result of the extraordinary acceleration of rents in CA. Thus, it may already be too late for landlords to exercise control over their own destinies by moderating their rent increases.

--47.139.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by MC [PA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 1:45 PM
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Yep-saw the story-not an eviction as the title says..Either way, the LL does not have to renew or can give the required notice. If all these people are up in arms and "looking for a place for her"-good for them. Hopefully they stay around to help her move,etc. --73.230.xxx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by fred [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 2:01 PM
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As usual, the one sided media will not provide all the facts, as they are only interested in making everybody hate the LL.

However even without all the facts, a LL can evict a tenant and put an immediate family member in the house, any time they he wishes, following the proper procedure as outlined in the law. After all, this his his property, not the tenant's, her family, the newspaper reporter, the judge, the city, county or state.

Once again we see an attempt to let emotions and feelings take over the law. --99.59.x.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 2:21 PM
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The proposed rent control limits on rent increases mirror Oregon's and seem generous to me (5% +CPI) but it will matter what level the rent is at. If one is far below market, that won't mean much.

The vast majority of states have no rent control. I think this is more likely in areas that are densely populated with a severe shortage of housing. In more balanced markets, rent control isn't an issue. --209.122.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 2:41 PM
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" the LL does not have to renew or can give the required notice. "

Not so.

Under the extant ordinance, eviction can be had only for "just cause". LA County, in its professional approach, does not make details of the ordinance readily available, so I cannot comment on what "just cause' actually means. But generally, unless a tenant has failed to pay rent or if he has materially violated enforceable obligation of the lease, then landlord cannot fail to renew or give notice to move. Thats a part of rent control that goes unnoticed, including on this site.

It means that the tactic (which may have been employed by the landlord in this case) of trying to move in a relative as a just-cause reason, is a consequence of rent control that can be more damaging to landlords than the restriction on amount of rent charged.

--47.139.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 2:49 PM
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" The proposed rent control limits on rent increases mirror Oregon's and seem generous to me (5% +CPI) but it will matter what level the rent is at. If one is far below market, that won't mean much. "

Yes, but how long will the ordinance stay at 5% + CPI?

Once enacted into law, the rent-control-niks will whittle away at that figure until it is zero + CPI.

The movement to control rentals is gaining strength all over the country. It is more than response to supply & demand. It is part of an organized effort to gain government control over the exercise of free enterprise. Did you hear Bernie Sanders's speech over the weekend, from Vermont? Did you hear what he said (over and over) about workers seizing control over their destiny vs the special interests? Pure Marxism.

--47.139.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 3:35 PM
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In my area there is no talk of rent control. Although rents have gone up, we have a market where demand and supply is balanced therefore there is no housing crisis. In markets like California, price exhaustion is as much as a price control as government intervention. I don't follow Bernie or any of the other candidates. Rhetoric isn't policy. --209.122.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 4:10 PM
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I don't "follow" Bernie Sanders either, but I do follow what is going on in the world, including candidates for leadership and their effect on society.

Rent control is just one facet of the class warfare between haves and have-nots for control of society and its advantages. The problem is loss of personal initiative and competition, in favor of spending society's saved-up profits on those that need. Thus, all activity would go to serve the needs of society, which means those who cannot, or will not, provide for themselves. Those of us with personal ambition will have to subjugate those aspiration to the general good. US Supreme Court says that landlords must be allowed to make a "fair" profit, and so we will be relegated to that standard without even the ability to participate in the debate as to what "fair" means.

But more than that is the restriction on more than just the amount of rent to be charged. Just-cause eviction will drive out small landlords even faster than restricted rent increases. Being forced to keep business partners that you don't want is a more important consequence of rent control, and they are both part of the movement to force society to serve the less privileged among us.

--47.139.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 6:41 PM
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Not that there is a difference to the tenant, but she is NOT being evicted. She is being forced out. It's surprising that some landlords don't understand this. --76.120.xx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 7:40 PM
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I had an elderly tenant claim that she couldn't pay a rent increase of 3%, that she is living on social security. Later

I find out her annual dividends and interest on her savings is

over $70,000 a year, not including her social security of $1,400 a month. Her rent is under $500 a month. Some people like to cry wolf.... --47.156.xx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by david [NC]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 7:48 PM
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If you want to email the "reporter" it is Colleen Shalby and her email is colleen.shalby "at" latimes.com --65.188.xxx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 9:00 PM
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Real estate markets and the laws that govern them vary widely. As I mentioned, rent controls aren't being proposed in my area as is the case in most areas of the country. Other areas don't have the same imbalance between supply and demand that California, New York , Oregon and certain other areas do thus the absence of initiatives to regulate the market.

California's main problem is a severe housing shortage against the backdrop of a growing population. As far as I can see, this has created a crisis for not only low income persons but middle income and higher income groups as well. It's this crisis that has resulted in government intervention. Governments tend to intervene when markets are in crisis and there are numerous examples of that in and out of real estate. For example, real estate values everywhere have been levitated courtesy of the Fed's ZIRP policies to hold interest rates low while bailing out the banks by allowing them to "earn their way out" of their self inflicted problems. This same policy has also put a floor under the financial markets thus creating winners where they might not be any. There has never been a time in the country where markets operated under strict laissez faire. Those who insist on letting free markets reign would be on the front lines of those clamoring for government intervention when Mr. Market takes a pound of flesh by going against them.

If one wants to be free of government intervention, then it's imperative to invest in markets that aren't in crisis. If one chooses to be in those markets, then he runs the risk that those interventions could go against him. Note, I not arguing for or against government intervention so much as acknowledging what the realities are. Basically, if I see an intervention coming that's going to benefit me or harm my interests, I'm going the position myself accordingly.

--209.122.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 26, 2019 10:24 PM
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" California's main problem is a severe housing shortage against the backdrop of a growing population. "

Thats not the main problem.

The main problem is the growing sentiment of entitlement across the whole country. It shows up in so many ways, more than about the problem of housing shortage.

Southern California has enough housing, but no more land on which to build in the metropolitan region where most people (especially people of means) want to live and play. Widespread education (on the level of state universities) has taught these people of means that they can get the legislature to vote them what they want by mere vote pressure. Thus, under the guise of housing for poor people who cannot afford housing, young professionals want to keep their housing expenses down, by using all of the read-and-memorize tricks that they learned in college to pressure the legislature to vote restrictions on landlords. Studies have shown that the majority of voters favorable to rent control are young professionals.

Its all part of a national (for that matter, international) movement to seize control of societies assets to provide cradle-to-grave services. The problem is that, if no one works (and hard), who will pay for these services?

Market forces can turn down occasionally, but so long as here are ambitious, hardworking entrepreneurs, the markets will rebound and resume higher values. The real problem is if the supply of ambitious, hardworking entrepreneurs disappears.

--47.139.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: May 27, 2019 12:49 AM
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OK - I "get it" that we as landlords have the right to use our properties as WE see fit. BUT - I have to take exception in this case.

The landlord has had THIRTY YEARS to make changes, so he waits until the tenant is 102? Everyone here knows there's only one place for such a person to go, into assisted living, where she will die in short order.

This end of m2m (not eviction) is literally a death sentence on this elderly person. I am not saying we should be enjoined from using our properties as we see fit - but PLEASE don't let yourself get into this sort of situation. This LL could have notified her long ago, OR could have given her 6 months notice - there is NO WAY a 102 year old person can move on a 30 day notice without considerable help if they have any personal effects at all. And I doubt she drives or has a large bank account.

I read Arnold Schwarzenegger and others heard of this and is offering help to the lady. That is good.

--72.21.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: May 27, 2019 1:19 AM
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Some of you may remember several years ago I posted about our 93 year old "adopted grandfather," who was going to be evicted from his rental home of 19 years when his LL went bankrupt.

Our first inkling was the Trustee notice of sale. We sent a detailed letter to the court (which was in Colorado, we are in AZ) explaining the hardship this would cause to an elderly man and offering to buy the property for lot value. The trustee of course didn't care and listed the property with a local realtor for $26,000, which was still really cheap.

We started making plans to move him into one of our apartments. The property actually sold, but then fell out of escrow. In between I had one of my little "desert and a shovel" talks with the realtor. Without all the boring details the next door neighbor (also our good friends) was ultimately able to buy the property for less than half of the asking price.

They told our "grandfather" that he could live there for the rest of his life at the same rent he had been paying, $400 a month. (He only got about $1,000 a month social security and had outlived his savings many years before.) They did some repairs and put in a new water heater and swamp cooler. He passed away last summer in his home, surrounded by his artwork and "things" with his little dogs by his side.

Sometimes things just go beyond money. If we are dealing with criminals, con artists and drug dealers it's one thing. You need to be hard as nails and twice as mean. But sometimes the "haves" do need to help the "have nots." That doesn't mean I have suddenly become a socialist, and we can't "save the world," but we all need to have a heart sometimes. --72.21.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by David [NC]) Posted on: May 27, 2019 7:16 AM
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@Living the Dream - she was told in March that her lease would end at the end of June. she had 90 + days to make arrangements.

Not debating the right or wrong of it but she was given plenty of notice. --65.188.xxx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 27, 2019 12:42 PM
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LTD:

Somehow or other, the main point of this case has been missed.

The issue is NOT the eviction of a 102 year old woman. She is a renter, she doesn't own the property, she lives there by virtue of the owner continuing to offer the property for rental. Her own problem is simply that of a 102 year old woman who is alone and on limited resources, needing a place to live out the rest of her life. Renting a house is not a solution for her.

But the real issue here for us landlords is that her rent was probably kept low since she has been there for 30 years, and now Los Angeles County has imposed rent control which is likely to stay around for a long time. So the landlord is now stuck with a presumably low rent baseline for that property, and he is limited to 3% yearly increases, maybe forever. The landlord was probably advised by his newly graduated lawyer daughter that he had better get his rents up while he still can, and that he already cannot do it without making careful use of the law. The solution that she probably suggested is to use the paragraph that he is allowed to evict a tenant (long-term, elderly notwithstanding) in order to provide housing to a relative, and then the amount of rent is decontrolled, and he can raise the baseline to whatever he chooses. Thats one of the consequences of rent control: that it induces landlords to take extreme measures in order to protect themselves, when if there were no threat of rent control, the landlord might not have taken that action.

I now have the threat of possible rent control in my jurisdiction. As a result, I will be raising rents by about 15% as a result of the threat alone. If I continued to feel free that I could raise to whatever I want, whenever I want, I probably would not be doing it. So the threat of rent control brings about drastic increase in rent, contrary to the intention of rent control.

Thats the problem that landlords here should be discussing. The issue of dispossessing a 102 year old tenant is so much less important.

--47.139.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: May 27, 2019 5:41 PM
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And, there was no eviction here. --76.120.xx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: May 27, 2019 9:10 PM
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Mosche - And now I know one more reason I got out of landlording. I can be a pretty hard person, but unless they were dealing drugs or I was going broke or something I would never put a 102 year old person out of their home, even if it was markedly under value.

OK I understand the rent control issue. I think my response would have been, with her understanding, to increase her rent to above market, while personally subsidising it back to myself.

Obviously a PITA or deadbeat would not illicit that response, but this lady has apparently been a good tenant. I guess that's why when I switched my apts to senior living I became a happier person. --72.21.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by JB [OR]) Posted on: May 28, 2019 1:22 AM
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Omg, I never thought I would be in such agreement with Moshe. He has nailed it quite well.

If I had been the LL I would have taken my problem to the press in advance. I would have asked that either the children or some good citizens step up to help find this woman a place of residence if she were to have a problem finding it on her own as I have a legitimate reason for needing to reclaim the property, but do not wish to see anyone of that age be put in a precarious position of having to find housing on her own.

Instead of the press looking at us LLs as vultures and pariahs, maybe we would have been viewed as having a heart. --24.20.xxx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 28, 2019 11:44 AM
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" I think my response would have been, with her understanding, to increase her rent to above market, while personally subsidising it back to myself. "

How can the landlord do that under rent control?

--47.139.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Ed [PA]) Posted on: May 28, 2019 8:13 PM
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Lets be clear, rent control is not a nationwide or international problem. Rent control is mainly a left coast issue that sometimes finds its way into large cities such as New York and parts of our northern neighbor Canada. Removal of a 30 year tenant that is 102 years old is hardcore. --71.112.xxx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 28, 2019 8:40 PM
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Lets be very clear: The threat of rent control is a national problem, as part of a generalized movement to make all of American life subject to regulation which would work to the advantage of working class citizens (and non-citizens), especially those who had not been able to make the American dream work for them as well as other people have. Its a political reversal of the idea that large corporations have been able to make the system to work for them, at the expense of the working class. The situation is now turning to the reverse because the gap between rich and poor has enlarged by so much that the political strength is now in favor of entitlement.

--47.139.xx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 29, 2019 12:58 AM
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I did not read the story.

I KNOW the media will inflate, only tell part of the story, and make the LL look bad. Brings in views. Just look at all the play right here.

We had to “oust” an elderly resident. She could not care for herself and was a liability - falling, slipping, leaving the gas stove on, burning stuff in the toaster...

In all compassion, she needed to be in a care facility.

I call it the “When and who puts Mom in a nirsing home. “ NOBODY wants to make the decision.

BRAD

PS thanks for explaining how this situation could lock a LL into rent control. We don’t have that here. Always seems silly. --73.102.xxx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 29, 2019 12:59 AM
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I did not read the story.

I KNOW the media will inflate, only tell part of the story, and make the LL look bad. Brings in views. Just look at all the play right here.

We had to “oust” an elderly resident. She could not care for herself and was a liability - falling, slipping, leaving the gas stove on, burning stuff in the toaster...

In all compassion, she needed to be in a care facility.

I call it the “When and who puts Mom in a nirsing home. “ NOBODY wants to make the decision.

BRAD

PS thanks for explaining how this situation could lock a LL into rent control. We don’t have that here. Always seems silly. --73.102.xxx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by CGB [MI]) Posted on: May 31, 2019 12:38 PM
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I read the article and commented in the comment section of how it was not an eviction just a lease non renewal and of my opinion the author was using that term incorrectly to garner sympathy. I was told by some who knows the laws, I did not know what I was talking about as the article clearly stated eviction. --96.70.xx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jun 3, 2019 11:27 AM
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Eviction, from the dictionary:

verb (used with object)

to expel (a person, especially a tenant) from land, a building, etc., by legal process, as for nonpayment of rent.

to recover (property, titles, etc.) by virtue of superior legal title.

So the story is factually correct. An eviction can be used to describe removing someone from a property for any reason whatsoever, including simply not renewing the lease.

BUT, I agree there are other terms that could have been used to more ACCURATELY DESCRIBE what was going on. A journalist has the duty to report all of the pertinent facts, so if anyone bothered to read the story they will understand what really happened. But what often happens is folks stop reading after the headline and go into their political spiel. As this is a well-known issue, the author should have chosen a different word.

But...the real motivation of many journalists/copy editors is: "If it bleeds, it leads."

"Land lord chooses to exercise his legal right not to renew lease of 102 year old woman" doesn't sell as many copies and accompanying advertisements as "Land lords evicts 102 year old woman.

It is what it is. Moving on.... --173.20.xxx.xxx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Jun 3, 2019 4:01 PM
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"Eviction" to the general public means forcing someone from a rental property.

To landlords it means something more specific, which is defined by Merriam-Webster:

"The dispossession of a tenant of leased property by force or especially by legal process."

--76.120.xx.xx




102 Year Old Evicted (by Adele [FL]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2019 12:10 PM
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Two sons traded off care for their elderly mother, one son kept her at his house , when the second son’s turn to care for her came along, he put her in my apartment. I was younger and inexperienced. I had only young single tenants so far. The poor lady couldn’t get her son to come over to change a kitchen light bulb... she pleaded, and I did this for her , and other routine things we all take for granted that a tenant will do. She was unsafe around the stove, etc., too (dementia). She eventually fell and broke her hip. She was in rehab for three months and returned to the apartment. I cancelled the month to month rental after that because she was in need of even more assistance. Children can honor their parents by doing right by them. We can all plan for our own futures better. What can I say? --76.242.xx.xxx



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