New service dog scam (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 20, 2019 2:39 AM|
New service dog scam (by C&J [CO]) May 20, 2019 3:42 AM
New service dog scam (by Steve [MA]) May 20, 2019 6:46 AM
New service dog scam (by AllyM [NJ]) May 20, 2019 7:28 AM
New service dog scam (by JKJ [MA]) May 20, 2019 7:44 AM
New service dog scam (by S i d [MO]) May 20, 2019 7:54 AM
New service dog scam (by Still Learning [NH]) May 20, 2019 8:13 AM
New service dog scam (by DJ [VA]) May 20, 2019 8:27 AM
New service dog scam (by RB [MI]) May 20, 2019 8:28 AM
New service dog scam (by Richard [MI]) May 20, 2019 9:24 AM
New service dog scam (by Jo [CT]) May 20, 2019 10:58 AM
New service dog scam (by Doogie [KS]) May 20, 2019 11:28 AM
New service dog scam (by CGB [MI]) May 20, 2019 12:19 PM
New service dog scam (by Barb [MO]) May 20, 2019 1:12 PM
New service dog scam (by CJ [MO]) May 20, 2019 3:58 PM
New service dog scam (by CJ [MO]) May 20, 2019 4:16 PM
New service dog scam (by Jo [CT]) May 20, 2019 4:23 PM
New service dog scam (by CJ [MO]) May 20, 2019 4:34 PM
New service dog scam (by JKJ [MA]) May 20, 2019 6:31 PM
New service dog scam (by John... [MI]) May 21, 2019 8:54 AM
New service dog scam (by melinda [MD]) May 21, 2019 12:01 PM
New service dog scam (by John... [MI]) May 21, 2019 3:57 PM
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New service dog scam (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 2:39 AM
I am truly sympathetic to the folks who have true service animals. The scammers are making life difficult and putting true service animals in danger from attacks by the untrained animals.
We are suddenly being hit with a new dimension to the scam:
Service dog in training. I even see them in WalMart with their little vests.
These dogs are not being trained, just shopping companions.
Our position, itís not yet a service animal.
New service dog scam (by C&J [CO]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 3:42 AM
Saw one in court on Friday, service vest on and sniffing everybody and even trying to hump some poor lady,
Sickening what these people are doing and of course no one said a word.
FWIW the lady with fake service dog was being evicted for non payment of rent, she also had a felony arrest at rental unit AND she was wanting a hearing because she claimed not to have been served properly. Judge negated last claim due to fact she was in court. Oh, and the LL did NOT request a damage hearing, just a writ. --67.143.xxx.xxx
New service dog scam (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 6:46 AM
We just got back from a cruise. As part of the ship's welcoming packet there was a notice about there being a service dog on board. Guests were reminded that it was a working dog & not a pet. It was an extremely well trained black lab that took great care of his young lady. Most of the people even the little kids treated the dog & it's master properly. --96.237.xx.xx
New service dog scam (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 7:28 AM
My three take care of me by letting me know when it's time to eat. --173.61.xxx.xx
New service dog scam (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 7:44 AM
Iíve said this before, it absolutely sickens me to see people with obviously fake service dogs, or hear people tell me how they are going to get an ESA letter or service dog vest so they can take the dog wherever they please, or get a dog if their LL doesnít allow pets. IMO faking and lying that you or a family member has a disability so you can have a pet, or take a pet with you places is deplorable. Itís right up there with faking cancer for money, yet these people see nothing wrong with it, in fact openly brag about it. I donít know what the solution is but I see this getting worse if nothing changes to try to curb it. --174.192.xx.xxx
New service dog scam (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 7:54 AM
I agree it's terrible. But we do have hope doing our own due diligence.
What I've learned is people cannot easily compartmentalize dishonesty. If they're going to lie about an ESA or service animal, they likely have lied and/or are currently lying about many other things. This will show up in their life history...
No or bad LL references.
Freakish Social Media presence.
All perfectly legit reasons to deny. During the application process we're seeing the applicant "at their best", so any time we go with the gut or "take a chance" on someone....well...we get what we allow.
To quote RB, "screen 3x effort". --173.20.xxx.xxx
New service dog scam (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 8:13 AM
Interesting. I saw the movie Pick of the Litter which followed a bunch of puppies being trained. They go out to live with people for part of their training and I canít remember if they have in training vests on or not. I have seen an energetic puppy in training come off a plane in a tiny airport in CO. While 10-15 of us were waiting to see if they would catch a weather window and land the sister was telling us about the puppy her sister had with her to train as a service dog. She explained the whole process and this was the 2nd or 3rd time her sister had done it for the organization. I canít remember if the dog had the vest on. Someone who is actually working with one of these organizations does need to expose the dogs to various places but certainly would not be letting a dog have incorrect behaviors with out corrections. I watched a woman being trained on her new service dog in a parking lot heading into Target with a woman holding a clipboard. Every few feet the clipboard woman stopped them and gave corrections and tips to the new handler. Yikes what an entitled mess we have and the ones that truly would benefit are at risk. --24.61.xxx.xx
New service dog scam (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 8:27 AM
Just to be clear, a puppy - or young dog - in training is NOT a service animal. Not until it has finished it's training & been united with a handler.
Although, I personally would allow a login it's last stages of training - if the trainer was my tenant. Because it would be a very well-behaved animal.
SO true about not compartmentalizing dishonesty - that's a great way to put it.
Unfortunately, this is encouraged by businesses & the government. For example: I know from personal experience that People can get away with that in Federal facilities because the security personnel are trained to allow it to happen. Trained to NOT enforce the law, but only ask "is it a service animal"? Of course the liar says yes, and is allowed to enter with all sorts of animals. Even when it is SO OBVIOUS - like a carrier full of cats! Really??!!
New service dog scam (by RB [MI]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 8:28 AM
Behaviors have patterns. --184.53.x.xx
New service dog scam (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 9:24 AM
I agree with you 100 percent, Sid. --66.188.xx.xxx
New service dog scam (by Jo [CT]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 10:58 AM
I have a friend who is on disability. She doesn't make much money. She talked to me about getting a "service dog". I tried to tell her the difference between a true service dog and and ESA. Nope, she wouldn't hear of it...she was getting a service dog, was going to train it herself! I also mentioned that animals cost money and she said that she would quit cigarettes to help defray the cost of the dog.
She has anxiety and said a dog would help her with that. I asked if she mentioned it to her LL, and her reply was "there isn't anything he can do about it"....I let it go....
She was given a free puppy, cute, cuddly. The dog needed to be spayed, and all shots....more money out. She had to do some house cleaning to save up the $300 for the spaying. (still smokes though!) Now the dog is 7 months old, runs, jumps, barks, squeaks, twirls, wants and needs constant attention. She doesn't walk it, just puts it out on a run. She is in her 60's and can't take all the energy this dog exudes. Plus, now she feels trapped because she can't go anywhere for too long because the dogs needs to go out.
She has put it up for adoption...too expensive, too much energy....too time consuming. It's funny how adamant she was in the beginning stating that she "needed" a service dog, and now the dog causes "her" anxiety!!
Sad, but true.She shouldn't have got a puppy, but hindsight....so, the questions now comes down to...did she "really need" a dog, or just "want" one. The answer seems clear to me! --32.215.xxx.xx
New service dog scam (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 11:28 AM
Jo - seen this story too many times. Awww, the cute cuddley doggie. Then when the expenses and time commitments hit, no more doggie. I don't have a dog for a reason. I don't need one on a daily basis to survive (ESA) and I don't want to pay for it. I also am never home. I am a dog lover and that's why I don't get one. It wouldn't be fair to the dog! --72.209.xxx.xxx
New service dog scam (by CGB [MI]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:19 PM
A fake service animal is akin to a healthy person parking in a handicapped spot. It makes my blood boil! --74.199.xx.xxx
New service dog scam (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 1:12 PM
Under the law, a SD-in-training is a pet. It can be classified as an ESA, but you can request a mental health providers paperwork for that.
Remember, you must have a disability to qualify for a SD, and a mental health disability to qualify for an ESA. --64.251.xxx.xxx
New service dog scam (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 3:58 PM
What paper work and who will decide if they have a disability or mental disability? Those people just say they are disabled or mental disabled or buy a certification online.
At the best, some people provide paper work from local doctor. It is not from any mental health provider, but from their family doctor or nurse practional.
New service dog scam (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 4:16 PM
Someone scheduled appointment to view the home with two SA. They are the breed banned y insurance company. We even said the unit not take dogs( No back yard and front it walkway for everyone other residents) --97.91.xxx.xxx
New service dog scam (by Jo [CT]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 4:23 PM
Let me tell you....I attended a seminar in my town about fair housing laws last week and when I mentioned to the "speaker" that insurance companies prohibit certain breeds of dogs, her reply to me was "give me the name of the insurance companies, because that is discrimination"!! --32.215.xxx.xx
New service dog scam (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 4:34 PM
That is easier for them to say, but hard for landlords to find an insurance cover the aggresive dog breed without paying expensive premium. The problem is lots of fake SA/ESA. --97.91.xxx.xxx
New service dog scam (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 6:31 PM
I read that HUD considers if a LLís insurance company doesnít allow specific breeds they consider that beyond the scope of ďreasonable accommodationsĒ --71.248.xxx.xxx
New service dog scam (by John... [MI]) Posted on: May 21, 2019 8:54 AM
We have discussed the "restricted breed" things dozens of times here. Jo: Your speaker is absolutely correct. Even insurance companies can't just discriminate against all breeds when it comes to SAs and ESAs.
The proper thing to do is to contact the insurance company, tell them that you have an applicant with an animal on their restricted breeds list, and request that they give you something in writing stating either that the specific animal will be allowed or that they will cancel or significantly increase your premium if you have that specific animal in the unit.
But, again, the key is that they must respond about the specific animal -- NOT a breed in general.
New service dog scam (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: May 21, 2019 12:01 PM
One of our tenants called me yesterday. She has a beautiful 3 level townhouse. Moved in with a " service dog" for her husband who she says has seizures. Told me that she now has heart problems and needs Less stairs. Voluntarily offered to GET RID OF her husbands "service dog " so that they could move into another rental that I have. Interesting. No. --24.233.xxx.xx
New service dog scam (by John... [MI]) Posted on: May 21, 2019 3:57 PM
So, if it is a Service Animal, why would they even think that they had to get rid of it to move into another unit?
Or was it just them offering to try to make you happy? heh. :)
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