Half a day in LL-T court
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Half a day in LL-T court (by fred [CA]) May 18, 2019 9:45 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Oregonwoodsmoke [ID]) May 18, 2019 9:59 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Jim In O C [CA]) May 18, 2019 10:08 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Jim In O C [CA]) May 18, 2019 10:14 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by WL [CA]) May 18, 2019 10:21 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Steve [MA]) May 18, 2019 10:32 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by JB [OR]) May 18, 2019 10:47 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Mary [MI]) May 18, 2019 10:47 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Moshe [CA]) May 18, 2019 11:49 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Robert J [CA]) May 18, 2019 12:20 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by fred [CA]) May 18, 2019 12:50 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by fred [CA]) May 18, 2019 1:04 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Vee [OH]) May 18, 2019 2:20 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by WL [CA]) May 18, 2019 3:24 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Roy [AL]) May 18, 2019 3:30 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by DJ [VA]) May 18, 2019 9:24 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by fred [CA]) May 18, 2019 11:14 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by JB [OR]) May 18, 2019 11:17 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by S i d [MO]) May 19, 2019 7:52 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by WL [CA]) May 19, 2019 11:24 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Live The Dream [AZ]) May 19, 2019 2:54 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by 6x6 [TN]) May 19, 2019 4:10 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Live The Dream [AZ]) May 19, 2019 9:30 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by JB [OR]) May 20, 2019 12:50 AM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 12:24 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Moshe [CA]) May 20, 2019 2:40 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 3:56 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Steve [MA]) May 20, 2019 5:21 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) May 20, 2019 10:15 PM
       Half a day in LL-T court (by mike [CA]) May 21, 2019 4:19 PM

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Half a day in LL-T court (by fred [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 9:45 AM
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From time to time, it's good to go to landlord-tenant court to see how "judges" rule.

I went this week, sat down and listened.

The judge was 45 mins late. From the get go she complained about the case load (there were 12 cases scheduled for the morning session).

All but one case were old cases, with endless postponements and delays (kick the can to let tenants live rent free),

In one case, tenant hasn't paid rent in 8 months, the LL, a disabled elderly lady begged the judge with tears to end her misery, but the judge gave the tenant another delay and ordered them to come back in 3 weeks. This time, the judge was concerned about the tenant's baby.

A quick search on this judge: she was appointed by Jerry Brown after serving 10 years as a clerk at the 9th circuit in SF. Enough said.

None of the 12 cases were resolved. In one case the judge said: I must rule on this one right now, it's been so long...and a minute later she said: actually I will rule on Friday...

Listen LLs, courts are turning away from facts and rule by emotions following their agenda - redistribution of income!

--99.59.x.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Oregonwoodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 9:59 AM
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Which is why a landlord not only has to consider what the law actually says but how a judge is going to look at a case in their area.

The good judges aren't going to be assigned to landlord court. That's an undesirable low level judge job. In some areas, you don't even see a judge, you see a civilian arbitrator who may not have any idea what the law actually is.

Fred has given a report on an exceptionally bad judge. Fortunately, even the judges with a social agenda aren't usually that bad. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Jim In O C [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 10:08 AM
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Thatís our California courts. I will sit empty waiting for the best applicant. --185.31.x.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Jim In O C [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 10:14 AM
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PS; In the Fullerton, California small claims court , I had a judge tell me you have to expect some wear and tear even though the damage was holes punched in the wall with the first. --185.31.x.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by WL [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 10:21 AM
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If you know you are getting a bad judge in CA, you can file a motion to disqualify and get another, hopefully better judge. Apparently some eviction law firms have lists of bad judges that they know are bad so they disqualify them first . . . --174.65.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 10:32 AM
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years ago in Housing Court after first meeting unsuccessfully with the required arbitrator we appeared before the judge. It was a simple non payment eviction with me wanting my money & possession and the tenant wanting to stay another month rent free. After listening to the tenant plead for compassion, the judge turned to me & asked if I would allow them to stay another 2 weeks. Instead of agreeing to 2 more weeks, I offered to let them stay another month if the Judge would agree to one condition. All I wanted, to let them live another month rent free in my apartment was for the Judge to pay 1/2 of their month's rent. Unfortunately for my tenant the Judge wasn't as generous with his own money as he was willing to be with mine. Fortunately for me I had helped set up this court & knew the Judge very well. He granted me possession as well as past due rent & court fees.

Two weeks later when I was having breakfast with the Judge, he sarcastically thanked me for pointing him on the spot. As Brad 20,000 like to say "you got to know your Judge".

--96.237.xx.xx




Half a day in LL-T court (by JB [OR]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 10:47 AM
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Gee, that's so surprising. Moshe is always saying how the judges just base their decisions on the law, not emotion.

I guess if that judge ever actually did her job she wouldn't have much to do...or to complain about. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Mary [MI]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 10:47 AM
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When my tenant did not pay his rent the judge told me that my tenant was confused. That was the ruling????

The tenant lived there 6 months, paid on the first , but on the 7 month he got confused. --68.32.xxx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 11:49 AM
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What Moshe is always saying is, always demand a real JUDGE, not a judge pro-tem, not even a commissioner. You don't have to file any formal motion, just tell the clerk that you want a judge. Its your right, and the clerk will reassign you to a real judge's courtroom.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 12:20 PM
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In Los Angeles Kangaroo Courts if a Landlord asks for a "real Judge", they will be treated poorly. The landlord will have to wait until a "real judge" is completed his daily calendar of cases. And your eviction attorney will CHARGE FOR THE EXTRA WAIT TIME.

--47.156.xx.xx




Half a day in LL-T court (by fred [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 12:50 PM
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It's 2019, and these days, mom and pop LLs are being bulldozed by leftist judges. If you own, pick a number, 250 units/homes OR LESS, judges in states like CA and MA will walk all over you.

You think they can do this to Mega owners who have insurance companies, pension funds and REITs behind them? I doubt that.

They will pick a fight with mom and pop owners, who have limited backing and funds for lengthy judicial journeys.

Maybe the idea that socialism will put them out of business, step in and take control of the rental business is actually taking shape. --99.59.x.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by fred [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 1:04 PM
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BTW, the court house is on Sylmar Ave, Van Nuys, CA, 8th floor, Dept H.

The name of the judge is posted right there for everyone to see: Emily Garcia Uhrig. --99.59.x.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 2:20 PM
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My 4 hour experience in a suburban court was useless, should have told the owner to burn the house down to get them out.

In CA if the judge had some experience with gestation period of humans he should have taken them home to be a midwife... --76.188.xxx.xx




Half a day in LL-T court (by WL [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 3:24 PM
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My aunt had a bad experience with a CA judge some years back. She helped a local lawyer run against him at the next election and he won. The main thing these judges fear is a retention election. If the judge is bad, help a local lawyer run against him. It will cost around $50k for the judge to finance a re.election campaign. --184.191.xxx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 3:30 PM
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Being a judge in a LL court would have to be the most boring job on earth. Listening to countless tenants constantly making up total B.S. about why they did not pay rent that month. And just one right after another, all day long. Most of the judges in my county get paid about $75K a year, so I guess it is the money that keeps them coming back for more of the same ole routine day in and day out.

On more than one occasion, I have wanted to ask the judge, "Why do you do this for a living?" What joy is there in listening to all the worthless B.S. that tenants tell you a daily basis?" --68.63.xxx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 9:24 PM
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WL(CA) - You are fortunate to be able to elect yours. We all don't have that --68.10.xxx.x




Half a day in LL-T court (by fred [CA]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 11:14 PM
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WL,

The judges in LA Superior court are nominated, not elected. --99.59.x.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by JB [OR]) Posted on: May 18, 2019 11:17 PM
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For the life of me I'll never understand how a LL could think like a Socialist when it comes to electing their politicians. It must feel like slapping yourself in the face.

Could someone please explain it to me? --24.20.xxx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: May 19, 2019 7:52 AM
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Well... +100 points for Missouri's legal system. We get 'real' judges automatically. No need to demand anything else. Perhaps the pro-tem judge / commissioner thing is part of sophisticated legal system of Cali that I have heard so much about in the past. So far, based on the testimony of this and other CA LLs, I prefer our backwoods country ways.

Anyway, it stinks when land lords have their rights trampled by the legal system. All the more reason not to delay filing once it is clear the tenant cannot or will not pay. --173.20.xxx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by WL [CA]) Posted on: May 19, 2019 11:24 AM
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CA judges are nominated but must run for election if some other lawyer runs against them. This is rare because the lawyer knows the judge will hate their guts for doing it and take revenge in the courtroom if the lawyer shows up with a client. --174.65.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: May 19, 2019 2:54 PM
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This is why I love AZ. We don't need no lousy judges! We got a desert, and a shovel. :D

--69.146.x.xx




Half a day in LL-T court (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 19, 2019 4:10 PM
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Fred, thank you for sharing. What a lousy judge.

LTD, I wounder how many bodies are buried out there? --73.120.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: May 19, 2019 9:30 PM
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6x6 - a LOT! We've found several sets of remains so far this year. Our county currently has 84 unsolved murders, highest per capita in the state. We joke about burying bodies in the desert, but people really DO it out here.

Others expire from exposure. We had a lady two years ago just dissapear. Her car was abandoned broken on a road near "Earp" across the river in CA. (Yes home of Wyatt Earp, he had some claims here in the early 1900's.) Six months later her body was discovered by a road crew in some bushs within sight of where her car was. She apparently just keeled over into the bushes and nobody found her in the original search. They thought she'd been abducted but the heat got her that quick!

We carry at least 6 water bottles in a cooler and 2 gal of water, plus 5 gal gas at all times. And a "Go Bag" with energy bars and basic survival gear any time we leave the main area of town. --69.146.x.xx




Half a day in LL-T court (by JB [OR]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:50 AM
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"We've found several sets of remains so far this year. Our county currently has 84 unsolved murders, highest per capita in the state."

LTD, does it count when you already know where they're buried? --24.20.xxx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:24 PM
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Fred [CA], the judges we have here in Chicago unfortunately share that same mindset - at least along the lines of giving tenants extended time on whatever feelings they Express that day. Their collective mindset is best reflected in the State of the City address New York City Mayor De Blasio gave o --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
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... Mayor De Blasio gave on 1/10/2019: "Here's the truth. Brothers and sisters, there's plenty of money in the world. It's just in the wrong hands." --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
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... Mayor De Blasio gave on 1/10/2019: "Here's the truth. Brothers and sisters, there's plenty of money in the world. It's just in the wrong hands." --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
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... Mayor De Blasio gave on 1/10/2019: "Here's the truth. Brothers and sisters, there's plenty of money in the world. It's just in the wrong hands." --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
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... Mayor De Blasio gave on 1/10/2019: "Here's the truth. Brothers and sisters, there's plenty of money in the world. It's just in the wrong hands." --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
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... Mayor De Blasio gave on 1/10/2019: "Here's the truth. Brothers and sisters, there's plenty of money in the world. It's just in the wrong hands." --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
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... Mayor De Blasio gave on 1/10/2019: "Here's the truth. Brothers and sisters, there's plenty of money in the world. It's just in the wrong hands." --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
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... Mayor De Blasio gave on 1/10/2019: "Here's the truth. Brothers and sisters, there's plenty of money in the world. It's just in the wrong hands." --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 12:27 PM
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... Mayor De Blasio gave on 1/10/2019: "Here's the truth. Brothers and sisters, there's plenty of money in the world. It's just in the wrong hands." --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 2:40 PM
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Fred, my quick serge of Uhrig's background shows that your bio was not enough said.

She has B.A. from an ivy league school (Penn, History & Economics, 1987), and law degree from Stanford ,1991. She was personal law clerk to Hon. Harry Pregerson, on the 9th Circuit of the Federal APPELLATE Court, not Federal District Court. She was not a clerk of the court, but personal research clerk to Pregerson, a very distinguished jurist, who has written many, many important decisions.

She was an Associate at Hogan and Hartson for 3 years

(Hogan & Hartson, now Hogan Levells, is one of the most prominent international law firms in the world, with 2800 attorneys in 40 offices in the United States, Europe, Latin America, the Middle East, Africa and Asia and with gross revenues exceeding US$2 billion in 2017). Then, she worked for US Department of Justice for 11 years, including 5 years as staff attorney for the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Those are all prestigious positions. Only the best and brightest get them.

She has written several important papers in law journals, including some that have been cited in important cases, including internationally, and for the last 5 years, she has been Professor of Law at McGeorge College of Law (University of the Pacific).

Quite a distinguished background.

She was appointed Superior Court judge in June, 2018, thus serving as Superior Court Judge for less than a year (May 2019).

All that doesn't mean that she is good at hearing eviction cases on assembly-line basis. But she is new and needs to learn the ropes. I notice that, except for yours, she has no complaints from the attorneys who appear before her. Her specialty was criminal law, so maybe eviction cases are new for her. Plus, judges in Los Angeles County rotate in their assignments, so that all judges get experience in all matters. Maybe. I don't really know anything about her.

I think that I will keep an eye on her. Maybe I will go for half a day and sit in her courtroom, as you did, just to see what she is really like, Feel free to join me, if you like.

--47.139.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 3:56 PM
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Steve [MA], I'm surprised your presiding judge didn't hold you in contempt. I had one judge violate state statute by granting the tenant possession time which exceeded the law. He held me in contempt, after I pointed this out and also stated that all of his rulings that morning had been terribly one-sided to all tenant defendants. Afterward, I and several landlords registered a complaint with the Chief Judge of the Circuit Court. We were successful in getting that judge re-assigned to a different courtroom and venue. --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 5:21 PM
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Danno [IL], I bet you weren't on a first name basis with your judge, have never gone to breakfast with him, given him a ride home during a blizzard in your 4WD truck, had drinks with him at the local VFW or had the ability to rat him out to his Mom. (g) As Brad says "you've got to know your judge".

He has since retired as a Housing Court Judge. I'm reasonably friendly with his replacement but I don't think I will ever make this type of offer to him. --96.237.xx.xx




Half a day in LL-T court (by Danno [IL]) Posted on: May 20, 2019 10:15 PM
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Steve [MA], after I had pointed out to the judge all of his errors, he called me "the greediest landlord that has approached his bench that day". I immediately replied, "Well, the day is still young!" That's when he put me in contempt. He also demanded to know how many rentals I owned ... of which I replied, "That question is irrelevant towards the facts of this case", and then I said nothing further. --174.198.xx.xxx




Half a day in LL-T court (by mike [CA]) Posted on: May 21, 2019 4:19 PM
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i agree completely that watching OTHER landlords get hammered in court is WISE practice.

in calif on an eviction the court is not small claims and you can bring a lawyer AND YOU SHOULD. they know the game and the lazy judges know that they can't peddle their agenda BS. be SURE the lawyer you bring is an eviction specialist. a recent eviction i had went VERY well and the judge was held to the law by the attorney. the sheriff on the other hand CHOSE to ignore my writ for possession they received on 12/6 until AFTER the Xmas and new year holiday...THEY TOLD ME THEY DON'T TOSS PEOPLE AT CHRISTMAS TIME.

DAMAGES and deposit items are small claims and are easy as well. photos and receipts TIMELY delivered will more often than not suffice. a real judge is advised.

now hear this...every letter or memo a tenant gets is written for the next guy who might read it...ALWAYS BE SURE TO INCLUDE SOME REPAIRS AT NO CHARGE ON YOUR ACCOUNTING'S SO THE LAWYER OR JUDGE OR COMMISSIONER KNOWS YOU ARE ACCEPTING OF WEAR AND TEAR. take photos

this is a reminder or EXACTLY why you should start evictions ASAP WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS GETTING UGLY. sometimes they drag on and in my case i did lose a week and consequently another whole month --76.176.xxx.xxx



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