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found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) May 10, 2019 3:21 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by RB [MI]) May 10, 2019 4:09 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) May 10, 2019 4:13 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by AllyM [NJ]) May 10, 2019 6:14 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) May 10, 2019 6:52 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by Robert J [CA]) May 10, 2019 7:45 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by Dave [MO]) May 11, 2019 8:49 AM
       found A/C guy 2 (by Vee [OH]) May 11, 2019 12:16 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) May 11, 2019 3:53 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by myob [GA]) May 11, 2019 8:38 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by gevans [SC]) May 12, 2019 7:30 AM
       found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) May 13, 2019 4:31 PM
       found A/C guy 2 (by myob [GA]) May 14, 2019 11:49 AM
       found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) May 14, 2019 6:31 PM

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found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 10, 2019 3:21 PM

Okay I have to re evaluate the hvac guy. The unit kicked the breaker again last night and so I called the guy this morning and he came back out today to recheck. He put another capacitor on along with a boost capacitor for a hard start but that did not work. He then started testing for a bad compressor and when he went to pull the wire plug from the compressor to test it he found the compressor had been really hot and the wires running along side the compressor had melted stuck to the compressor and he could not get the plug out because it had gotten to hot and was stuck. He tested the end of the wires going to the compressor and said it had an open winding somewhere inside. Looks like Monday will be a long day.

I have three options:

1)put a new compressor in a 12yr old unit for around $900-$1000 OUCH

2)replace with new unit for around $3500-$4000 BIGGER OUCH

3)swap with a 3yr old unit not being used but under warranty from the property in the country for around $600

I am going for option 3 as I can not use the unit on the house in the country.

After the swap on Monday we will see how it goes. I really need to not have anymore problems with the only rental I have especially because I have the convention to go to in a short while. Not to mention the fact I would like to make money not loose it.

On a side note I also called the utilities company and they came out and checked for any problems on there end since there was the plant fire last week. The hvac has had problems ever since but the hvac guy said there should be no connection.

found A/C guy 2 (by RB [MI]) Posted on: May 10, 2019 4:09 PM


One rental, and I can hear ya crying from here.

found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 10, 2019 4:13 PM

LOL. What can I say, it hurts. If I had more rentals then hopefully I would have more money or maybe more problems then I would really be crying.

found A/C guy 2 (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: May 10, 2019 6:14 PM

Somehow it seems that he should have known there was something major going on there before he changed some of those items. Did he have any testing tools?

found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 10, 2019 6:52 PM

Yes, he had testing tools. I am wondering the same. I have now thrown money on a bad unit. I thought about a second opinion but that would cost too.

found A/C guy 2 (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 10, 2019 7:45 PM

For my first dozen homes that never had central air here in the Hot San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles, I used to buy used A/C equipment from owners who added onto their home an needed a larger system. This meant that I had to do a lot of service work.

Then 15 years later, I just decided to replace all of my old used equipment with newer modern efficient A/C systems. Now all I have to worry about is replacing the filters and testing their cooling ability and sometimes add refrigerant. --47.156.xx.xx

found A/C guy 2 (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: May 11, 2019 8:49 AM

In the beginning of real estate investing I had replaced bad units with someone else’s system as Robert described but back then units had shelve life of 25yrs. Today shelve life can be be half that, so best to just replace. Your unit age is a perfect example.

Also, is this a package unit or split system?

found A/C guy 2 (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 11, 2019 12:16 PM

This is about the only time I would authorize use of electrical tape - on the wires that were stuck to the side, that is what made the breaker trip so start over using the amprobe to determine if you need further electrical repairs, to keep expenses down you may simply need hvac guy 3, the capacitor for a split system is in the corner of the unit where the contactor is at - remove the rounded cover where the wires go in the unit. Rarely does the connector plug go bad on the side of the pump.

found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 11, 2019 3:53 PM

Thank you all for the responses. I had a much longer comment and when I hit submit something happened to it. Much shorter version. I am getting a second opinion on Monday.

I agree with Vee about Short.

I agree with others about used units but one in country is hardly used and is under a little more warranty and is just sitting there waiting to be used.

found A/C guy 2 (by myob [GA]) Posted on: May 11, 2019 8:38 PM

I've been an airplane mechanic since i been 14. I'm now 68. I'm not a car mech because I wouldn't work in a profession in which I didn't trust my work withs. Same goes for AC and heating. Learn what you can as fast as you can you U understand the system.

Fact is he put a capacitor on-- and it worked? I don't think so. Cause now he put on a hard start kit and it worked? And then not? When you have compressor wires burned they just don't come on and off like a lite switch. So either the compressor was bad right off or he doesn't know what the heck he's doing. I think if you pull those 3 wires off the compressor you'll see at least 1 burned off the terminal if not 2. there's a kit to fix them.

As far as replace. If you can get the model number from your unit-- the compressor-- try to get it drop shipped to you. Then find your off duty tech with torch and Freon to put it in. Total should be around 600. TAXTAGTITLE whole shebang!!!

From HI it's me. --66.87.xx.xx

found A/C guy 2 (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: May 12, 2019 7:30 AM

Most HVAC guys will credit you the first call if they get the replacement job. So no lost money there.

I've done HVAC for decades. I can easily see replacing a capacitor and moving on. If the capacitor is obviously bad, and the unit starts up with a replacement... readings could easily be normal until things heat up again.

I've replaced a capacitor, had the unit run normally, and come back the next day to find a failed compressor. In this case, the compressor was probably causing the first capacitor to fail, and the second put it over the edge. You can't really know that in advance.

Ask the guy to credit you for the first call and get the thing replaced. --69.80.xx.xx

found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 13, 2019 4:31 PM

Thank you all again.

myob, good to see you back.

gevans, thank you for the insider explanation.

The second guy confirmed bad compressor but also confirmed some of the things the other guy told me was wrong. He is going to take the unit from the country and swap the unit at rental with that one. Hopefully all goes well. He is also going to do it for less then the first guy. I am keeping the old unit for it's good usable small parts that can be used with other units and I am also going to try and teach myself a little with the old unit by googling and multimeter, when I get more time that is.

found A/C guy 2 (by myob [GA]) Posted on: May 14, 2019 11:49 AM

6 bye I'm not really back but in the middle of the pacific ocean between HI and Vancouver BC.

give yourself this little lesson on AC units. 1st don't be bambosseled by ac people saying how complicated it is-- it's not but they love making regular folks think there the kings of comfort when they get them working.

theres a door bell wire running from you thermostate inside to a coil in the unit itself. When you turn on and off from the thermostate you should hear and maybe even see the contactor pull down. That coil allows the 120/240 voltage tot he unit. Sometimes this coil will break or you may get ants under the contactor points-- when the points get pulled down by the bell wire input you get power to the unit. The initial power goes to a capacitor-- for the ac cooling fan and compressor. The capacitior kick starts the units fan and compressor-- it cost 12.00 the contactor btw cost about 16.00. Now 6x6 read some and don't every touch anything inside that unit without disconnecting power-- the box withthe on off next to the unit--- never. Got it?

found A/C guy 2 (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 14, 2019 6:31 PM

What is it with these hvac guys? I do seem to be up and running now. Turns out the unit from the country was no longer under warranty, my bad. Needed a high pressure switch but the guy really didn't want to change it. He told me he could just leave the jumper wire on and there were other saftey measures in place for the compressor. He wanted to charge me $20 per pound for the freon and the unit takes almost 9 pounds. I asked him why couldn't he recover the freon and put it back in when done changing the part. He didn't have his gauges and almost didn't have any brazing rod and didn't have his recovery machine or empty tank he could catch some freon in. He did however have scales so he weighed the amount of freon going in. He took off around $100 for the freon after my discussion with him. All total repair second unit(hopefully)and swap out $665. I can live with that but I won't be using this guy again either. That is two bad references.

myob, thank you a lot for the information. I now have my old unit and the old pressure switch in storage to play with when I have time. It is not hooked up to electricity I will just be looking at parts and learning how to test them I hope.

I would really love to be able to diagnose and do small repairs myself that are electric components and not requiring freon or license.

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