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Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 7:41 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 7:45 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Ken [NY]) May 7, 2019 8:45 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jasper [OH]) May 7, 2019 8:59 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 9:08 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by plenty [MO]) May 7, 2019 9:09 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 9:19 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 9:19 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by AllyM [NJ]) May 7, 2019 9:26 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 9:33 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Steve [MA]) May 7, 2019 10:50 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by busy [WI]) May 7, 2019 12:07 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Vee [OH]) May 7, 2019 12:39 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 1:31 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 1:31 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Robert J [CA]) May 7, 2019 3:35 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 4:04 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Live The Dream [AZ]) May 7, 2019 7:39 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by 6x6 [TN]) May 7, 2019 8:08 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) May 7, 2019 9:46 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by JKJ [MA]) May 8, 2019 7:37 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) May 10, 2019 12:43 AM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Vee [OH]) May 11, 2019 12:35 PM
       Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Robert J [CA]) May 17, 2019 1:04 AM

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Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 7:41 AM
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I'm dealing with a one-story house that had a leak showing up on the inside around the chimney. I had one roofer that came out more than once and the leak was still there.

I have another roofer that came out three times. Last time he was there he took pictures from the outside and said it's all sealed up while it was raining but did not go inside.

Place is empty and I had explained to him before water still coming through and you need to go in while it's raining to find that it's leaking.

Even though he was right there he didn't do it. He did put a chimney cap on it. He initially put shingles that did not match on it. It's now been a month that the second roofer has been dealing with it.

The leak is still there. Now the second roofer is saying there's damaged decking at the top and it's finding the lowest point and showing up there.

He wants to know what he's going to get paid for what he's already done. Our agreement was to stop the leak that is appearing around the chimney.

Since the leak is still there, I don't feel he's owed anything. At this point he wants to give a quote on getting the entire roof done.

I just wanted to make sure I'm not being unfair if I say there still a leak, what is there to pay you for? Also I don't want to use him even if I do decide to do an entire new roof.

I think he's been rude I think he doesn't follow instructions.

This house sits vacant because of this problem only. Am I being short-sighted even though I will not be able to get another roofer out there as quick? Is there simply my ego that wants me to stop dealing with this guy? --199.114.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 7:45 AM
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One last thing about this guy... according to him he no longer has a substance problem for several years. However it seems like the second he drives in the last nail he expect someone to run and pay him 2 minutes later. He acts what my opinion would be of a crack addict if they needed money to go get drugs a minute later.

He has also taken the time to make comments within the last 30 days along the lines of 'your company can afford it."

I live in an area with a smaller population. I've been told by investors that run much larger operations that I'm not going to get a choir boy who is reasonable in cost. --199.114.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 8:45 AM
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Find somebody else,i wouldn't pay him either if the deal was fix the leak and you get paid --72.231.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jasper [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 8:59 AM
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It can be difficult to pinpoint the source of water intrusion. It may be coming in at another spot and finding its way to the lowest point, as your second roofer said. It appears you are losing a lot of money, because the house cannot be rented until the water issue is fixed. Depending on the age of the roof, sometimes it's better to replace it vs. losing indefinite time and money. To answer your question though, it depends on what you have in writing with the roofer as to what terms were agreed to regarding payment. --71.28.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 9:08 AM
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Payment was agreed once verified after rain no leak anymore --199.114.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 9:09 AM
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Pay him. Be done with him. Money well spend as the world has treated him unfairly and it's not your battle unless you do not get rid of him. Give the roofing job to another... get two bids --99.203.xx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 9:19 AM
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Did I mention one story roof. The peak is less than 1 ft above chimney. I just looked at photos

He didn't care that he put shingles that clearly didn't match on the house then there was the need to wait a week for special order to match the house.

After looking at the photos the chimney is practically sitting on the peak so his comment of finding the lowest spot is a little absurd. --199.114.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 9:19 AM
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Did I mention one story roof. The peak is less than 1 ft above chimney. I just looked at photos

He didn't care that he put shingles that clearly didn't match on the house then there was the need to wait a week for special order to match the house.

After looking at the photos the chimney is practically sitting on the peak so his comment of finding the lowest spot is a little absurd. --199.114.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 9:26 AM
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No it's not your ego. Leaks are very hard to stop. I had one earlier this year in a dormer and it took three visits and I paid for only one Because they just caulked the second and third time. There was a hole in the dormer where a lighting rod was. They ignored that the first time and I asked them to caulk it the third time and the leak stopped. So if your chimney is at the peak of the roof it may be the flashing around it that is coming away from the chimney. It's a collar of metal, usually copper, because copper bends right into the brick. Is your chimney brick? The flashing should be up against a little ridge that the original builder chipped out of the brick. A lot of these guys just use siding as flashing these days and put tar on it but the tar pulls away leaving a gap. I had one leak from a chimney that was attached to the side of the house and was stone and mortar. Turns out the tree hanging over kept dripping moisture all the time and the mortar never dried out so when it rained it could not absorb any more water. I had to patch the inside wall for years until I took the tree down prior to Hurricane Sandy. Chimney dries out. No more wet ceiling. Do you have a tree hanging over it? What is the chimney made of? It sounds like a flashing issue if it's at the peak, if not then it needs the roof built up just behind the chimney and I think that's called a cricket. I think you need to find an old timer to fix this roof. --173.61.xxx.xx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 9:33 AM
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No tree over.

House is as wide As a single wide mobile home roughly. Its a house.

This guy is trying to say that hes been hinting that the decking is bad in a large area. He has been saying that several times. He did not say that when he agreed to take the job and at one point said he replaced the decking around the chimney.

I do believe at this point the flashing has been replaced. He has no problem talking with me with all that hes done to fix the problem that is still there --74.141.xx.xx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 10:50 AM
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Jen, can you post the pictures of the chimney as well as where the leak shows up on the inside?

From your description it sounds to me like there isn't a cricket behind the chimney & the rear cross flashing is damaged. It's also possible that with all of our recent rains that the bricks are becoming saturated & allowing water to migrate through to the interior.

FYI a good chimney should have step flashings that are woven into the shingle courses, a counter flashing that is cut into the bricks & goes over the step flashings, an apron that goes across the entire front of the chimney and a cricket on the back to help divert water around the chimney.

If your deal was to only pay him if & when he stopped the leak, then you don't owe him any money. However you might want to give him some money just to make him go away. --96.237.xx.xx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by busy [WI]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 12:07 PM
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Jen, I cannot stand chimneys! Always leaks! But, I am not happy with direct vent water heaters yet, so, cannot eliminate the chimneys. I use high efficiency furnaces, so those no longer go through the chimney. Then, I have a chimney specialist install Class B piping ( kindly correct me if that's not the correct term for that flue, anyone,) through the chimney, put the proper cap, and give the whole thing a real good going over. That has solved chimney leaks at several houses.

Part of the difficulty with chimneys can be warm air/ cold air and thus condensation, which can do screwy things to bricks, caulk, all of that.

Me, I'd make this current roofer go away by throwing the cash at him, with a paid in full receipt as the cash leaves my hand. (I have no patience for lots of things, and loose ends is one of them! But, that's just me! YMMV.) Then, I would talk to a chimney specialist. If you currently have just the water heater venting through the chimney, you'll need the proper piping installed. Water heaters do not generate enough heat to move the air up all by themselves, once the furnace is no longer vented through the chimney.Of course, if your furnace still vents through the chimney, my whole point is moot.

But, I would still start with that chimney specialist before talking to another roofer. No matter where the furnace is vented. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 12:39 PM
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The color of the shingles does not affect the leak, the quality of the project does, offer him half to send him down the road then find a better roofer - however substance abuse runs heavy in that industry as they seldom have other skills and loads of free time when the weather is sour. --76.188.xxx.xx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 1:31 PM
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Water heater is electric furnace not high efficiency.

Going forward will be high efficiency furnace and electric hw tanks everywhere

--199.114.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 1:31 PM
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Water heater is electric furnace not high efficiency.

Going forward will be high efficiency furnace and electric hw tanks everywhere

--199.114.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 3:35 PM
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I am a contractor and don't do roof's for clients unless I am adding on to a house and then I roof the new structure. So I farm many roof jobs out. I do work on my own properties.....

One large roofing job I get a Warranty from the roofer and the material supplier. The contractor had insurance and was bonded. I also took out a "payment and performance bond" on the job -- costing 3% of the total price.

The roof never stopped leaking in curtain areas. So I conducted tests using smoke, warm water and a thermal scanner. I found the troubled areas. It was not going to be an easy fix. Working on the troubled area could damage other areas.

This was a poorly executed re-roofing job. I had viewed some of the install but wasn't on the property to see if everything was done correctly.

I put in claims to the roofer, his bond and insurance company. I put in a claim for the materials that failed. I filed a claim with the "performance and payment" bonding company. No one wanted to lift a finger.

So after my letter writing phase was over and I warned them I had no choice but to re-roof the property and go after them financially -- I stripped the roof and re-roofed it myself, taking pictures to prove the failure.

Pictures of poor workmanship. Water migration and leaks, etc.

Then I sent bills to all parties with a dead line. Then I filed a complaint with the State Contracting Board and the Department of Insurance. There was millions of bonding and insurance on this job but no one wanted to be responsible.

The contractor had his licensed pulled because his bonding company was now on the hook. The insurer for the "performance bond" was going to be ejected from writing policies in California unless they made good on the roof.

All of a sudden at the 11th hour, everyone was at my door wanting to "resolve" issues. I told them I had to replace the roof, fix damaged ceilings and re-paint. I lost the tenant and was out many months of rent. It now just wasn't the roofing cost but the aftermath expenses due to their negligence and failure to "perform" as agreed and contracted.

So I sent them all to my "construction" attorney who worked a a deal that everyone was going to pay something to make me whole. And they did.

Had I not re-roofed the property and showed all of my other damages, this would still be in the adjustment phase with nothing in my pocket. --47.156.xx.xx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 4:04 PM
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So if you are not a contractor what are the bullet points that everybody should absolutely hit every time they get a new roof or they get a roof repair done? I cannot believe the Hoops you had to jump through. --199.114.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 7:39 PM
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Never mind - I was going to talk about rook leaks, but decided not to jinx myself. Good luck to you! :D --47.216.xx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 8:08 PM
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That's funny LTD. Do you even get that much rain? LOL!!

Jen, Robert J is a contractor. You need to get rid of this guy and hire someone else. I think Steve(MA) might be able to help you if you can post the pictures. --73.120.xx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Jen [OH]) Posted on: May 7, 2019 9:46 PM
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I didnt know I can post pictures on here --199.114.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: May 8, 2019 7:37 AM
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I think Steve and others advice is on point, but get rid of this guy, if he is still acting like an addict, (needing money ASAP) hes either still an addict or desperate, either way hes going to do whatever it takes to get fast money. That includes slapping shingles on your roof and calling it good. Its gonna cost you a lot more in the long run if you let this continue (sounds like you already have rotten roof decking, water damage, and lost rental income). Probably best to just call an experienced professional roofer and get this fixed correctly. --174.192.xx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: May 10, 2019 12:43 AM
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Jen,

Climb a ladder and put eyes on. Sometimes the problem is obvious to a motivated person like the owner.

Have a helper pour water on the roof with a hose (no sprayer, just water straight form the hose) while you watch inside. Without that you are just guessing.

Cheating roofers know when the owner is not looking at the repair. They throw some caulk on it and hand you a bill.

Good luck!

BRAD

--73.102.xxx.xxx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 11, 2019 12:35 PM
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If you are suspicious of an area, drop a few red koolaid packets there, easier to see than clear water running along the wood. --76.188.xxx.xx




Roofer wants money 4 leak (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 17, 2019 1:04 AM
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I got the contractors insurance certificate and his bonding company from the State Contractors Board. I also purchased, through the contractor a "payment and performance bond". I was good to go except no one wanted to do their part. I could have just filed the "claims" and sit back and wait, but since I had a leaking roof, time was critical.

I put everyone on notice and then had to take action myself. This is not the first of last time I'll have to resolve things and then sue in small claims court. --47.156.xx.xx



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