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TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Apr 20, 2019 2:20 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [NC]) Apr 20, 2019 2:52 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by CJ [MO]) Apr 20, 2019 4:30 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by J [IN]) Apr 20, 2019 5:02 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by JKJ [MA]) Apr 20, 2019 5:44 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by myob [GA]) Apr 21, 2019 4:46 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Apr 21, 2019 5:51 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by TenantWhisperer [MA]) Apr 21, 2019 7:58 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by CJ [MO]) Apr 21, 2019 8:09 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Apr 21, 2019 9:56 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Apr 21, 2019 10:17 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by wmh [NC]) Apr 21, 2019 1:02 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by rentON [PA]) Apr 21, 2019 1:18 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by Jennings [IN]) Apr 21, 2019 1:28 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Apr 21, 2019 1:48 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by Jim In O C [CA]) Apr 21, 2019 2:02 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Apr 21, 2019 2:46 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Apr 22, 2019 3:48 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Apr 22, 2019 4:15 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Apr 22, 2019 5:21 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Apr 22, 2019 6:17 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Apr 22, 2019 7:50 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Apr 22, 2019 7:52 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by Busy [WI]) Apr 22, 2019 8:22 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Apr 22, 2019 8:27 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Apr 22, 2019 8:30 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Apr 22, 2019 8:32 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by RentsDue [MA]) Apr 22, 2019 8:48 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Apr 22, 2019 1:41 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Apr 23, 2019 6:22 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by J [FL]) Apr 23, 2019 6:58 PM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Apr 24, 2019 6:57 AM
       TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by Cjo’h [CT]) Apr 27, 2019 2:01 PM

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TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 20, 2019 2:20 PM
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I have two confirmed availabilities for July 1st.

I have listed both on Zillow as of today. NOT on CL until May 1st (60 days out.)

We'll see. I'm going to track quality of applicants on both. --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [NC]) Posted on: Apr 20, 2019 2:52 PM
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Eagerly awaiting the results --24.181.xxx.xxx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 20, 2019 4:30 PM
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We do not use CL anymore. --97.91.xxx.xxx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by J [IN]) Posted on: Apr 20, 2019 5:02 PM
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Great test. Can you also try Facebook marketplace in your testing? --71.222.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Apr 20, 2019 5:44 PM
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I also am looking forward to your test data. --174.192.xx.xxx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 4:46 AM
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This may be hard to test since ad's are hijacked by other company's. For example you list on zillow and people come to see home claiming to have seen it on different companys site. --99.103.xxx.xxx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 5:51 AM
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So far, no responses at all. Which is very different from Craigslist and reinforces where people say they saw my properties (I ask on my pre-screen form - most have said CL over the past several availabilities.) Usually if I list a place at this time of year, multiple responses first day.

Of course they do say July 1st, so that is quite a ways out. --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by TenantWhisperer [MA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 7:58 AM
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I strongly suspect the results will vary by geography.

In SE MA, CL use to be the go to site. In the past few years, the large apartment complexes post dozens of ads each day on CL. This almost immediately pushes your ad down to the 2nd or 3rd page.

Now Zillow is the only site that works.

--73.16.xxx.x




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 8:09 AM
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I use a schedule site and it sync to different sites. I do not know most of the sites. --97.91.xxx.xxx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 9:56 AM
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TW/MA, I know you are right. Our area is so small - and we don't have apartment complexes to speak of, and if we do, they stay full. So they are not continuously advertising.

I've received a few inquiries today, but of course no one is following directions or answering pre-screening questions. --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 10:17 AM
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"but of course no one is following directions or answering pre-screening questions."

One benefit of phone calls, however 1990s it seems, is that it's harder to ignore the ringing, you know if call goes thru and they answer, and you can get immediate and quick responses in succession. Takes me less than one minute to go thru my screening questions on the phone. --50.4.xxx.x




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by wmh [NC]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 1:02 PM
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Nope, no phone calls.

This is the South, by the time you get through the niceties and the long stories, you've wasted way more than one minute.

I wish I could play you one of the last phone calls...I recorded it AND saved it because it was so comical. The gist of it is, after asking my questions and my telling her it was not going to work based on her answers (I *think* it was income, that part escapes my memory) she got irate and then demanded "Are you from the North?" My response was "I don't think that is germane to this conversation." She responded, "Well if you are this would never work anyway!" and she hung up.

My husband and I replayed it and laughed and laughed, it was very funny.

BUT...Just as this is a small beach for the tenants - I track a lot of dead-beats - it's a small beach for LLs and I don't want a social media vendetta against me. If I talk to someone on the phone, that gives me too much visibility at first. If I *don't* do the social dance on the phone, I would be labeled rude at the very least. I don't want my phone number in the hands of people I would NEVER rent to or even show a place to. --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by rentON [PA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 1:18 PM
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It still seems to be CL in my market. Can't wait to see how your test compares. --67.165.xx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by Jennings [IN]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 1:28 PM
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My guess is you would get more responses on Facebook Marketplace. May not be better responses, but more. --68.38.xx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 1:48 PM
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" I don't want my phone number in the hands of people I would NEVER rent to or even show a place to"

I don't advertise my phone number, they provide me with theirs and I call at my convenience. I am adopting myob's tactic of having one GV number for advertising and one GV number for current tenants. So the phone number would not be public and would not be easily traced to you since it wouldn't appear on internet searches --50.4.xxx.x




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by Jim In O C [CA]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 2:02 PM
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Out here on the left coast I see Zillow attracts A- and B + applicants where as craigslist draws C and D applicants. --99.23.xxx.x




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 21, 2019 2:46 PM
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But they don't even provide me with theirs, David - they can do exactly that by answering my preview questions.

No they write and say they are "available to tour" on a certain date and time, and expect me to email them back to set things up. So back and forth again. --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 3:48 AM
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WMH, In response to " they are "available to tour" on a certain date and time, and expect me to email them back to set things up. ", I email then back : " Sure, what's a good number to reach you at?" 95% of them reply promptly with their phone number.

Its really quite easy , don't overthink things!!! --50.4.xxx.x




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 4:15 AM
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So far, three have followed through. One is a self-employed light crystal healer with two service dogs. Another was burned out of a notorious house near here, and both she and her BF have active cases on the court calendars, as well as prior convictions for larceny, larceny of an employee and felony possession with intent to distribute.

The third lives right next door to another of our rentals. He's been there three months paying $600, wants to look at our place for double that.

So...so far...no better caliber of client than CL or FB. --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 5:21 AM
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WMH, have you tried asking for phone number and just calling everyone who emails you? You can lead a horse to water ... --144.250.xx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 6:17 AM
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No David. As noted, I don't want to phone screen. I don't want to talk to the 99 losers who inquire while waiting for the 1 or 2 that I will show the place to...

When their written screening questions make them seem like a viable prospect, I sometimes call them then, or they call me because they now have my phone number. But otherwise, no phone calls. --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 7:50 AM
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WMH, how many people contacted you? How many completed your screening questions?

If I had the mindset and nastiness of some posters here, I would say that you're not willing to put in the legwork and do what's necessary to pull in good tenants and that you should SELL ... ALL ... YOUR... RENTALS.

But I'm a nice guy and I'll just say that you're leaving possible good tenants on the table, and refer you to the Chinese parable of the farmer and the rabbit. --144.250.xx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 7:52 AM
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This phrase has several good translations, one is “To guard a tree-stump waiting for rabbits” or “sitting by a stump waiting for a careless hare” — which come from the story of the phrase. Most four character phrases have a story or parable associated with them, in this story, one day, a farmer was working in the fields when he saw a rabbit carelessly run and bump into a tree stump accidentally, it broke its neck and was paralised, the farmer took the rabbit indoors and cooked it, having a great meal. Later on that night he was thinking to himself “wow, I don’t need to work so hard all the time anymore, all I need to do is wait for a rabbit to run and kill itself each day by the stump” so he stopped farming and merely sat at the stump waiting for rabbits to come and run into it.

This phrase satirises people who merely wait for some random stroke of luck instead of making earnest effort to pursue opportunities or what they need. --144.250.xx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 8:22 AM
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David, once the tenant gives you their phone number, and you call them back, wouldn’t they THEN have your phone number? Or, do you use a throw away phone? And, even if they don’t have your number, if they figure out who you are ( the couple that owns those small, cute houses by the beach, in this case,) wouldn’t that be able to be discussed on social media in a small community? If you have never lived in the south, it is a whole other world than the north. Just our northern accent makes us suspicious. In the north, phone screening with the same accent as the locals have is NOT ANYWHERE near the same thing if you, David, moved to NC and tried to phone screen down there. That Midwest flat accent is gonna get you run out of town on a rail. And remember, us carpetbaggers are always suspicious. Even though we try to fake an accent, a true southerner can suss it out.

The proof is in the pudding, if we’re using catchy phrases. WMH is running a very successful business. This post was about making first contact, not about the method of interacting once first contact is established.

Bless your heart, David. --70.92.xxx.xxx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 8:27 AM
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"wouldn’t they THEN have your phone number? " What are they going to do with it? Nothing comes up when you google it because it's not in ads. I am adopting

As for accents, I grew up in TN. I did not think I had an accent, but my wife remarked that she thought I spoke English weird until she went to TN for the first time...

"WMH is running a very successful business." This particular instance she seems to have some trouble filling vacancy. I merely point out what she could improve on Busy, there is room for all of us to make improvements. --144.250.xx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 8:30 AM
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I am adopting myob's strategy of having one GV number to use while advertising and screening and another GV number to use for current tenants after they move in . This will further obfuscate who I am for phone screenings. --144.250.xx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 8:32 AM
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"This post was about making first contact, not about the method of interacting once first contact is established." I submit that you don't have any contact if there's no response when you reply to them. That response could have gone into their spam, could be overlooked, whatever, you don't know --144.250.xx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 8:48 AM
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Bless your heart...... Ha Ha Ha!!!! Even a backwoods Northerner like me gets all warm and fuzzy inside when I hear that one. I got a burner phone for my rental ads- I know where I live. Nobody here has a “ better “ way of doing things, just whatever works for them. Most of it we learned by mistakes or advice ( both good and bad). --71.10.xxx.xxx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 22, 2019 1:41 PM
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David I never have trouble filling a vacancy due to sheer luck of the draw of where I live. The two places I am advertising aren't even AVAILABLE until JULY. This is April. Normally I wouldn't even list them until at least May 1st. So I'm just testing the waters with Zillow only right now just because. Maybe I'm bored.

All real estate is local.

We stay full, we have happy tenants, I don't deal with riff-raff or crazies anymore. Life is good. I hope yours is too. --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 23, 2019 6:22 AM
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I had to take down my ads as some eager beaver admin of a Facebook group found my ads on Zillow and posted them to her group, completely spoiling the test. AND because no one reads the ads and nothing is available until July, I did not want a bunch "Interested!" and "Is this available?" messages for the next few weeks.

I will list them again beginning May 1st... --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by J [FL]) Posted on: Apr 23, 2019 6:58 PM
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Well I set up a Google Voice account and got the new phone number. Downloaded the GV app and the "hangouts" thing. It "rings" on the PC when a call comes in to my GV number but my actual phone does not ring or even show a call coming in, no matter what setting I try. I guess I'll still be using my real number unless I can get this fixed soon. --72.188.xxx.xxx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 24, 2019 6:57 AM
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Did you link your phone to your new number? I don't remember how to do it, because I've had my GV for years now. --50.82.xxx.xx




TEST: Zillow vs. CL (by Cjo’h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 27, 2019 2:01 PM
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Busy and David,Bless both of your little pea picking hearts,and that’s from a country boy from Northern Ireland.WMH advertising anywhere that far ahead around here would be an effort in futility ............Charlie.............?...?......?.................... --32.214.xxx.xx



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