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Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Mar 31, 2019 7:25 AM
       Emotional support animals (by NE [PA]) Mar 31, 2019 7:27 AM
       Emotional support animals (by plenty [MO]) Mar 31, 2019 7:30 AM
       Emotional support animals (by David [MI]) Mar 31, 2019 7:43 AM
       Emotional support animals (by Doogie [KS]) Mar 31, 2019 7:49 AM
       Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Mar 31, 2019 7:53 AM
       Emotional support animals (by CJ [MO]) Mar 31, 2019 8:42 AM
       Emotional support animals (by AllyM [NJ]) Mar 31, 2019 8:49 AM
       Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Mar 31, 2019 9:19 AM
       Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Mar 31, 2019 9:30 AM
       Emotional support animals (by Vee [OH]) Mar 31, 2019 9:58 AM
       Emotional support animals (by NE [PA]) Mar 31, 2019 10:03 AM
       Emotional support animals (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Mar 31, 2019 12:02 PM
       Emotional support animals (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Mar 31, 2019 12:05 PM
       Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Mar 31, 2019 12:39 PM
       Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Mar 31, 2019 1:21 PM
       Emotional support animals (by plenty [MO]) Mar 31, 2019 2:07 PM
       Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Mar 31, 2019 4:36 PM
       Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Mar 31, 2019 5:04 PM
       Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Mar 31, 2019 5:04 PM
       Emotional support animals (by JB [OR]) Mar 31, 2019 6:03 PM
       Emotional support animals (by Vee [OH]) Mar 31, 2019 6:15 PM
       Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Mar 31, 2019 6:51 PM
       Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Mar 31, 2019 6:52 PM
       Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Mar 31, 2019 7:06 PM
       Emotional support animals (by small potatoes [NY]) Mar 31, 2019 7:07 PM
       Emotional support animals (by Robert J [CA]) Mar 31, 2019 7:30 PM
       Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Mar 31, 2019 7:54 PM
       Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Apr 1, 2019 5:28 AM
       Emotional support animals (by bet [MA]) Apr 1, 2019 6:09 AM
       Emotional support animals (by David [MI]) Apr 1, 2019 6:59 AM
       Emotional support animals (by S i d [MO]) Apr 1, 2019 7:13 AM
       Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Apr 1, 2019 7:51 AM
       Emotional support animals (by 6x6 [TN]) Apr 1, 2019 9:59 AM
       Emotional support animals (by Still Learning [NH]) Apr 1, 2019 7:03 PM
       Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Apr 2, 2019 12:15 AM
       Emotional support animals (by Barb [MO]) Apr 2, 2019 3:57 AM
       Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Apr 2, 2019 12:42 PM
       Emotional support animals (by Still Learning [NH]) Apr 2, 2019 1:26 PM
       Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Apr 2, 2019 3:13 PM
       Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Apr 3, 2019 5:50 AM
       Emotional support animals (by Still Learning [NH]) Apr 3, 2019 6:54 AM

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Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:25 AM
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After reading yet another post about ESAís it got me thinking. I think this whole ESA thing is getting out of hand and laws need to be passed making it harder for people to claim these animals. It is just so easy for anyone who wants a pet where they canít have 1 to get a letter online or from there dr saying itís an ESA. Iím not saying all ESA animals are BS but a lot are, itís a joke. After a 2 second online search I found sites to get ESA letters, documentation, and ďservice animalĒ vests for the dogs. Just wondering what everyoneís thoughts are and how this problem could be addressed with laws that donít violate the person requiring the ESA. For starters I think the ESA letters should be required to be renewed annually, that those that claim ESA/Service animals fraudulently can be charged criminally, Drís that knowingly provide false ESA letters are fined or their medical license is suspended, and the ESA letters must be from yout treating Doctor/therapist in your state, ABSOLUTELY NO ONLINE DOCUMENTATION. I think that this would benefit everyone, it would eliminate the frauds and therefore those that truly need an ESA would not have to deal with the stigma that their just another faker. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:27 AM
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Screen the tenant before the animal and then go about your day. I'm not going to wait around for lawmakers to try to make sense out of nonsense. --174.201.xx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:30 AM
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I ask them to give me a print out to complete their application... so far no one has bern able to figure out how to print it out! Just blank stairs and offers to electronical forward...nope need hard copy. Agree with NE above, dont get caught up in it. --99.203.xx.xx




Emotional support animals (by David [MI]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:43 AM
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Come, join my religion that says man and animal shall not live under one roof. You then have freebie out of ESA laws --50.4.xxx.x




Emotional support animals (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:49 AM
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I don't think doctors will not write a letter. It's the same as handicap placards on a car. You just have to ask the doc for an Rx for it and wolla! They are afraid of getting sued (can't blame them).

IMO, the tenants use the ESA for one of 2 reasons. They don't want to pay pet fees/deposits or they want Fido in a place that won't allow pets. I started allowing pets with a nominal pet rent and it's helped. I would agree with annual renewal though. If they're trying to get out of fees, annual renewal would help. They may not be paying the LL, but they'll have to pay the doc! Maybe they'll realize the fees are the same, or even higher with the doc and will just pay the LL.

Regardless, it's becoming a real problem. Airlines are taking a stand and I'm hoping that will filter down to the rental market. Until there's a few court cases along with appeals, it will continue like it is. --72.209.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:53 AM
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NE, Plenty, I donít get caught up in it regarding my rental. Like you say I screen the tenant. Iím talking about life in general, you see these animals in planes, stores, anywhere your not supposed to have a dog Iíve seen people prancing around with their dog wearing an ESA vest. Iím not talking working dogs here. I really think this needs to be addressed, not just regarding housing. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 8:42 AM
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I do not understand why it is legal for those websites making money by giving fake documents online. I can get the document if I pay $59 even I do not have a dog at all. I tried another website, but not finished. They called me trying to sell me one immediately after. --97.91.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 8:49 AM
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I think if someone shows up for my nice rental with a big ESA, I am going to test the limits and decline them anyway and may the shii fall where it may. --173.61.xxx.xx




Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 9:19 AM
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JKJ they are trying in Florida. It's now a misdemeanor to misrepresent a pet as a service animal here. But the law is hard to enforce. Also someone has a bill here to ban exotic pets as ESAs.

But what really needs to happen is for the federal law to change. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 9:30 AM
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J, I agree laws need to happen on the federal level, state laws are a good start, but federally is where ultimately it needs to happen. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 9:58 AM
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If you follow the rules you find that only a fraction have a legit free animal, plenty of reading here to describe what documents you need for the anti-pet claims. In the heat of screening the landlord may be overwhelmed with tenant jargon and the validity of the claims is overlooked, then after the lease is on the table the tenant having control the support animal is mentioned and the paperwork keeps moving forward, Whoa - stop and get back in control, need the animal paperwork before anything further happens..

Everywhere photo vet records should be requested proving that vaccines for your city/county are up to date, to reduce puppy mills operating in your p!ace having -fixed- animals is not an unreasonable request. In the vet records you will likely find the breed and it any special circumstances this animal is involved in such as therapy or otherwise.

--76.188.xxx.x




Emotional support animals (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 10:03 AM
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The bigger issue is how much this stuff is pushed on college campuses. Normalizing nonsense.

Skim your local news and you'll see it quite often in different areas. These kids can't get by without Fido around.

This is a new idea and it's like everyone needs to be comforted for some reason. It's actually sad that this is where we are as a society. --174.201.xx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 12:02 PM
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At the very least, the law should be written that the mental health care provider has to be local and the tenant has to be a regular patient. That should stop the online nonsense.

The best option is to do away with the concept of emotional support animal. If a person really can't live uncuddled due to a mental health issue, then let them get a trained service animal that has actual trained responses to help head off mental crisis.

There are ways to head off the ESA, but the big problem happens when the tenant gets approved and moves in first, and then presents the ESA, usually after they get caught. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 12:05 PM
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Would it do any good if the medical association got bombarded with complains about doctors prescribing pets to people who are mentally troubled? --98.146.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 12:39 PM
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Oregon Woodsmoke, I think the same way you do on this issue, at the very least itís should be federal law that it MUST be a local, licensed mental health care provider and the person should be a regular patient. I also think the letter should have to be renewed annually. I mean it makes no sense to me, now a parent can bring their kid to a dr, say they suffer from stress and a dog helps relieve that stress, please give me a letter for a ESA, then that child is covered for life as long as they keep the letter. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 1:21 PM
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"The best option is to do away with the concept of emotional support animal. If a person really can't live uncuddled due to a mental health issue, then let them get a trained service animal that has actual trained responses to help head off mental crisis."

Agree. Or let them do what everyone else does. Live in a pet friendly rental and pay fees. And if they can't afford that how do they have money to provide for the dog's many other needs?

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 2:07 PM
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Its an issue. See dogs at Lowe's quite regularly. Can't even go to Lowes without support. They should just make stuff animals to put the cart kiddy basket so one could have comfort pushing the car. Cart Critters. --99.203.xx.xx




Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 4:36 PM
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So just to see how much of a joke this whole thing actually is I went on to United Stated Service Dog registry ďusservicedogregistry.orgĒ and registered my imaginary mixed breed dog named BS as a service dog using a fake name, made up address and phone #!!!! You can look up my ID number my 1554074581 on the deceptively official looking web site United States Service Dog Registry at ďusservicedogregistry.orgĒ. So provided ( you donít want to be sued) and actually question my form and the ID # I give you I can now take my fake, made up service dog out and anywhere dogs are not allowed, including your apartments that donít allow pets. As we all know, most stores, public places, and some LLís are afraid of being even accused of discrimination so the chances of them even asking me the few, very limited questions they actually are allowed by law to ascertain if my FAKE, MADE UP SERVICE DOG is legit are slim to none. Just thought Iíd share this with all of you. This is something I feel needs to be addressed with federal laws. Just my opinion. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 5:04 PM
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"Its an issue. See dogs at Lowe's quite regularly."

Plenty, I was at Lowe's a couple of months ago and there was a small off-leash dog running around near the registers and the exit door, getting in everyone's way. I think Lowe's should have kicked the dog owner out of the store. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 5:04 PM
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"Its an issue. See dogs at Lowe's quite regularly."

Plenty, I was at Lowe's a couple of months ago and there was a small off-leash dog running around near the registers and the exit door, getting in everyone's way. I think Lowe's should have kicked the dog owner out of the store. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 6:03 PM
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Yea, I have a suggestion. The entire ESA thing needs to be completely abolished.

They can take their teddy bear with them everywhere they go. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 6:15 PM
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Study the rules and you will find that the doctor has to be in state, the medical practice number in the letterhead (Oregon woodsmoke) and like every prescription it must be renewed annually - 12 months (JKJ), my first question to JKJ is for a copy of photo vet records, then we proceed to remind them animal damages will be added to the next rent cycle and animal cleanup is the same - sometimes they think they are exempt from animal responsibility but it just not so.

--76.188.xxx.x




Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 6:51 PM
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Vee: Unless that is some local/Ohio law, that is not correct. The federal law does not require that the "doctor" be "in state" (not does it even require that they are a doctor actually).

It also does not require annual renewals. It looks like you can try to require this -- but it is not part of any law or "rules" as you suggested.

Also, I've mentioned this before, but the law also does not allow for "photo vet records" that you always mention unless that is also a state/local law and/or required of ALL animals by code or ordinance. In other words, if someone claims and ESA and has the proper documentation from some healthcare professional, then you cannot deny them just because they don't have vet records for their animal -- except, again, for any vaccinations or registrations required by law/ordinance of ALL animals in that area.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 6:52 PM
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plenty: the Lowes problem is different -- in THAT case, there are NOT required by any federal law to allow the animal. We need private businesses like Lowes to just flat out tell people "no" to ESAs more often. Especially when the animal is being a problem. They are not at all required to let them in.

- John...

--96.40.xx.xx




Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:06 PM
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It seems like they are letting anyone into the hardware stores with dogs now. I don't see service vests on a lot of the dogs so people aren't even going through the motions to pretend anymore.

Personally I don't think the animals belong there. There are already enough customers blocking the aisles, or trying to carry gigantic objects around in their hands instead of getting a flatbed cart and almost hitting other people. I try to go there at night because there are less customers in the store at that time.

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:07 PM
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I agree the ESA pet deal is a cannard. A prospect emailed me and said they had a service cat that was declawed and well mannered. Duly notified I sent them the prescreening form and they screened and they couldn't be bothered to reply. So screen well, don't get intimidated by ESA claims and rent on. I personally cannot fathom Lowes policy. I've seen more than 1 support pig in the store and just today some guy had his dog on a retractable leash and let it out 15'. The only prospective tenant I would fear are the trustifarians. They get their dogs into dead shows and by the middle of the show the poor dog is clearly not enjoying all the noise and chaos. In the meantime they have a couple floor tickets and all look alike and spend the show tricking security into letting them stay in the prime section. --24.194.xx.xx




Emotional support animals (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:30 PM
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I requested a "letter" from my tenants who claimed their new puppy was a Companion Animal. They provided me with a letter from a doctor who works at UCLA (University of Southern California Los Angeles).

This doctor has a web page that simply says, "for a fee she would provide anyone with a doctors letter so they can have a pet".

She has around 760 patients but wrote over 2000 letters in the first six months of setting up this web page. She never meets with the patient of the dog. Just a letter mill.

So after this tenant moved, I took pictures and got professional estimates on the repairs. With my original receipts and scheduled depreciation deducted, I put in a demand for payment. I then filed a case in small claims court. The tenant didn't show up for court and I got a worthless default judgement. --47.156.xx.xx




Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Mar 31, 2019 7:54 PM
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Vee, I agree with you 100% and know the laws. As I said before Iím not just talking about housing here. Iím talking about people in everyday life situations with these supposed ESA animals. Iíve seen them at the movies, IKEA, Walmart, the aquarium, virtual everywhere. I have seen 1ís that are so obviously not an ESA animal but employees are either taught by mgmt or on there own decide that verifying or questioning the validity of these animals is not worth the argument, scene that it would cause to validate, or potential lawsuit. Iím not just talking about these ESA in our rentals. I am 100% sure if I took 1 of my dogs, put a service dog or ESA vest (that I can buy online for $24.95 on chewy.com) on it I could take it just about anywhere and not be questioned, and if I was all I would have to do is pull out the letter that I had emailed to me after a 2 minute online registration that I mentioned above. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2019 5:28 AM
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But your main complaint seemed to be about those stores and such. We don't need a new law there because they already aren't allowed to bring those animals in unless the store allows it. ESAs have no rights in a Lowes or IKEA or Walmart. What we should be doing is writing letters to those places telling them that we're sick of it and they need to stop allowing them.

I'm all for stopping fake ESAs, but I don't need MORE government laws telling private people (including store owners) what they can and can't do. If Lowes wants to allow ESAs in the store, they have every right to do that. I don't want a federal law saying that they can't, of course. So, the real answer is complaining to those private entities to tell them to change how they handle them.

I absolutely would support a federal law making it a crime to fake a Service Animal though. THOSE animals do have rights in those stores -- so anyone with an animal with a "SERVICE Animal" vest should be charged with faking one if they aren't in need of that animal.

But, again, that's pretty rare these days. Most people just call their animal an ESA and do whatever -- and the stores do nothing about it. That's a STORE problem, not something that we need even more laws for.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2019 6:09 AM
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All applicants have to complete an application. Any falsified information is auto reject. Home visits for anyone claiming a pet. Take it from there, I know one landlord that it got sprung on them after the lease was signed. This would have prevented that. Issue is what happens after they are in the unit. We have leases, leases are not renewed due to owner wanting possession for relatives. --45.19.xxx.x




Emotional support animals (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2019 6:59 AM
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" leases are not renewed due to owner wanting possession for relatives"

what does this mean? --144.250.xx.xx




Emotional support animals (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2019 7:13 AM
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As bet says, this is where the in-home visit can be very useful. ESA are certainly allowed, but DESTRUCTIVE, STINKY, etc ESAs create legit reasons for us to deny.

For example, if the applicant has allowed their ESA to damage their current home or if it's pooping, peeing, etc and the applicant hasn't been cleaning up after it...DENIED for sloppy housekeeping and/or allowing damages to the current land lord's property. Just one more reason why the 2-minute in home visit has become a vital part of my screening steps.

There are multiple ways to manage this issue before and after move-in. Get creative! No lawmaker or CEO is going to fix this for you. --173.20.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2019 7:51 AM
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David: It means that he lies and says that he is not renewing their lease because they want to use the rental for a family member.

I always find it funny when landlords are big on "I auto-reject for ANY false information on their application!!" but then have no problem lying to tenants when it is convenient for themselves.

"Do as I say, not as I do", I guess.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2019 9:59 AM
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I agree this needs to stop and things need to be done. As soon as this does ever get resolved(if it does) there will just be another problem pop up to deal with.

Plenty, thanks for the tip.

CJ, that is another good point. Why are these websites even legal.

JKJ, When I looked up your registry this is part of what came up. "Did you know that many Service and Assistance Dogs perform tasks or work for individuals with disabilites which may or may not be apparent to you? Please don't ask about anyone's disability - it's against the law. The U.S. Department of Justice and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) allows for Service Animal owners to be taken at their word. You are permited to ask up to two questions - only if it isn't obvious that the animal is a Service Animal. Under federal law you may not demand proof of someones disability or Service Dog training, certification or registration."

John, that's funny

--73.120.xx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Apr 1, 2019 7:03 PM
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Just found a sample letter supplied by HUD. Google - Sample letter for companion animal - HUD. It is a PDF and is very specific in wording.

Sample letter for Companion Animal

DATE

NAME OF PROFESSIONAL (therapist, physician, psychiatrist, rehabilitation counselor)

ADDRESS

Dear [HOUSING AUTHROITY/LANDLORD]:

[NAME OF TENANT] is my patient, and has been under my care since [DATE]. I am intimately familiar with his/her history and with the functional limitations imposed by his/her disability. He/She meets the definition of disability under the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Fair Housing Act, and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973.

Due to mental illness, [FIRST NAME] has certain limitations regarding [SOCIAL INTERACTION/COPING WITH STRESS/ANXIETY, ETC]. In order to help alleviate these difficulties, and to enhance his/her ability to live independently and to fully use and enjoy the dwelling unit you own and/or administer, I am prescribing an emotional support animal that will assist [FIRST NAME] in coping with his/her disability.

I am familiar with the voluminous professional literature concerning the therapeutic benefits of assistance animals for people with disabilities such as that experienced by [FIRST NAME]. Upon request, I will share citations to relevant studies, and would be happy to answer other questions you may have concerning my recommendation that [FULL NAME OF TENANT] have an emotional support animal. Should you have additional question, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,

Signature

[NAME OF PROFESSIONAL]

--24.61.xxx.xx




Emotional support animals (by J [FL]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2019 12:15 AM
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"CJ, that is another good point. Why are these websites even legal."

It seems to me they probably get away with it because they are operating in a gray area. Selling something that is of no value but not technically breaking the law. Probably like a lot of products aimed at men for hair restoration or "low T" products for men that may not do anything. The customer is the one actually breaking the law (in some states) if they misrepresent the dog using the certificate.

--72.188.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2019 3:57 AM
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The animals are in Lowes and sometimes HD because some hardware stores allow well behaved pets on a leash. My Lowes does.

Still Learning found the HUD recommended letter we should all require. --64.251.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2019 12:42 PM
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Barb: The problem is that, VERY OFTEN, Lowes and HD and other such stores also tend to allow animals that are very much NOT well behaved. Someone even mentioned one above -- people letting their animals get in the way, barking at others, on long 15' leashes off on their own. I have no problem with well behaved pets. But lots of them aren't -- but still get allowed because of ESA crap (when, again, by law, we know they are not required to take ESAs at all).

Also, people need to be careful about "requiring" a letter just like that. That was a sample letter from HUD intended for health professionals to use to do a well done letter. But that does NOT necessarily mean that we can require that everything in that letter is in the letter that we get from someone else.

It's a sample. A guide for those writing them. It is not intended to be a list of the minimum things that we can "require" in letters that we receive.

Just something for everyone to keep in mind.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2019 1:26 PM
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John, I spent 3 hours last night googling, clicking, reading govt sites, state sites, law blogs, etc. what I think I understood is that like the sample letter, it needs to be from a provider (loose term) and do the following 3 things: acknowledge a disability, acknowledge the need for an accommodation and make the connection of the need of the accommodation to fully ďuse and enjoyĒ the housing. And this is only in the event the disability isnít obvious. Do you agree or am I misunderstanding? --166.170.x.xx




Emotional support animals (by JKJ [MA]) Posted on: Apr 2, 2019 3:13 PM
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Still learning, that is my understanding as well after doing the same as you, googling and reading what I could. Unfortunately that leaves a very large grey area open for interpretation, do you agree? My definition of fully using and enjoying an apartment is most likely very different than others definition of the same question. My thinking is for a person to not be able to fully use and enjoy an apartment they would need to suffer from extreme depression and anxiety to the point that it interfered with there ability to perform basic life functions, I donít think that a mildly depressed or stressed person is unable to fully use and enjoy an apartment. But again thatís MY opinion, Iím by no means implying that is the standard in which to decide if 1 requires an ESA or to accept 1. So where is the line? It seems way to open to interpretation to me. --71.248.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2019 5:50 AM
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I would agree with that too. And I also agree it is a very large grey area that leaves things open for interpretation. But that is how the law is written, unfortunately.

Also, the "fully use and enjoy" line is specific to federal law. It doesn't necessarily really mean "fully use and enjoy" like me might take literally. (I.e. we can't go "Well, even with this animal, I'm not sure you'd REALLY 'fully enjoy' my building). :)

In other words, don't read too much into that line. It's kinda like most people not really getting what "quiet enjoyment" means. It's not about whether or not you can hear your neighbor's TV at night. :) It's more of a legal term.

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Emotional support animals (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2019 6:54 AM
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My take away was the provider is the one deciding if the accommodation was needed for the housing. My only hope is that a provider that needed to address all 3 areas isnít going to stick their neck out and risk their professional credentials over someone wanting an animal in their apartment. Now if only housing could organize and push back like airlines, a simple needs to local and under care would get rid of the majority of fakes... maybe some day. --24.61.xxx.xx



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