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Lying Tenants (by Tia [NC]) Mar 14, 2019 8:15 PM
       Lying Tenants (by Nellie [ME]) Mar 14, 2019 8:39 PM
       Lying Tenants (by JB [OR]) Mar 14, 2019 9:46 PM
       Lying Tenants (by myob [GA]) Mar 15, 2019 4:19 AM
       Lying Tenants (by myob [GA]) Mar 15, 2019 4:21 AM
       Lying Tenants (by plenty [MO]) Mar 15, 2019 4:23 AM
       Lying Tenants (by Still Learning [NH]) Mar 15, 2019 4:31 AM
       Lying Tenants (by DJ [VA]) Mar 15, 2019 4:38 AM
       Lying Tenants (by Still Learning [NH]) Mar 15, 2019 4:41 AM
       Lying Tenants (by Vee [OH]) Mar 15, 2019 5:59 AM
       Lying Tenants (by Pat [VA]) Mar 15, 2019 6:11 AM
       Lying Tenants (by CJ [MO]) Mar 15, 2019 7:08 AM
       Lying Tenants (by AllyM [NJ]) Mar 15, 2019 8:05 AM
       Lying Tenants (by Doogie [KS]) Mar 15, 2019 8:46 AM
       Lying Tenants (by Nicole [PA]) Mar 15, 2019 9:10 AM
       Lying Tenants (by Lana [IN]) Mar 15, 2019 9:59 AM
       Lying Tenants (by Tia [NC]) Mar 15, 2019 5:34 PM

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Lying Tenants (by Tia [NC]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2019 8:15 PM

Any suggestions on my Tenant that pays rent on time but has broken lease. The new tenant has only been in the home for one month. Neighbors brought to my attention 2 cars have been at the house 24/7...I found out she has lost her job & found a boyfriend the day after she signed the lease & he is there 24/7~ I addressed the issue with them because neither are employed at the moment & let them know it was rented to the one named on the lease & only one person was suppose to be living in the home & of course you know the drill. The tenant says, "He is only here once in a while & does not stay the night". Neighbors tell different & I always see the 2 cars in the driveway. Boyfriend has 2 small children which have also been spending the night when he gets them on his weekend. Once again that was addressed that NO children are allowed to spend the night & tenant say once again "The children do not spend the night" & I know 100% they do. What should I do even though she is paying rent? It is a very small house & I have invested a tremendous amount of money in the last 6 mos. in the house because in the next 2 years I will be selling my current home & living there myself. I do like children but do not want 5 people in a small home and son't want to be liable if they get hurt. Thank you in advance for comments...

Lying Tenants (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2019 8:39 PM

Let’s begin with the Fair Housing laws you are violating by saying no children. If Fair Housing hears of it you are going to have problems.

Next, what does your lease say about guests and additional tenants? Mine says it is an additional $150 month for an additional tenant. Give notice of lease violation and rent increase. DO NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CHILDREN NOT BEING ALLOWED. THIS IS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW.

When the rent is not paid next month (because she lost her job) file for eviction in strict accordance with your state’s laws. --70.20.xx.xx

Lying Tenants (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 14, 2019 9:46 PM

Yep. Nellie nailed it. Just give her her walking papers as soon as you can...and quit saying things that are going to get you into trouble with the housing authority. If you think you have trouble now...

Lying Tenants (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 4:19 AM

As a LL'd don't let the neighbors guide your business. You have muddied the issue with all the other static.

First you must give the tenant a chance to correct whatever violation they have. So in the kids case or boyfriend-- they need to either fill out an app and get the boyfriend approved or remove him from the premises. This case since she is paying I'd give 30 days to sure or the LEASE will be terminated.

She's paying the rent and lost her job-- her violation is having, in her words" company who doesn't stay. When you file suit be very careful of your wording and be prepared to show court you gave her a chance to cure.

Lying Tenants (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 4:21 AM

Forgot. why did you use the same word twice? LYING and TENANT? Those are one in the same.

Lying Tenants (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 4:23 AM

Try People... not kids or boyfriend. What does you lease say about five people living there? Enforce your lease. Do this with the paper. Get it out and read it. Write what it says about extra people and what to mb do about it.

Lying Tenants (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 4:31 AM

It sounds like she should go. There are 3 options. Happy Clause, Cash for keys, Eviction.

Lying Tenants (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 4:38 AM

Agree with other things already said. Also, if he has his own place, he should be able to produce his own lease or current utility bill.

Lying Tenants (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 4:41 AM

How many rentals do you have? It’s possible you are exempt from federal fair housing laws if you only own a few (look it up, might be under 4 units), although you might still have to follow state fair housing. If your lease says “no children” overnight, you better get this figured out and changed.

Lying Tenants (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 5:59 AM

As the others have said the children should be left out of the equation right now, process the extra occupant as your lease allows - this is the agreement you have with the tenant, my lease indicates a guest can stay up to 14 nights in any 100 - that is what my big city court calls grandmas vacation, before opening for business you hopefully downloaded your state and local tenant rules then went to housing court as an observer for 3-4 months to see the different combinations that evolve with tenants, this helps you understand most of the eviction process. At this time it seems you have not made it to 100 nights so my court would not enforce anything about that, prolly then best to find out the overall occupancy load from local fire code - this related to sleeping room sizes, most common is 2 per sleeping room and Aunt Sally sleeps on the sofa. So my advice is to see if the rent is paid in full ontime, if not follow your court timing you learned from the tenant rules.

Lying Tenants (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 6:11 AM

This is one of the reasons I prefer month to month leases.

A year lease mostly protects the tenant. They will leave when they want anyway and you have to mitigate your damages by advertising & re-renting.

Sounds like you have a mess on your hands. Keep it business, the less you say the better. Proving the other people are there and breaking the lease is going to be time consuming and there is no promise the Judge is going to throw them out if they are paying.

Lying Tenants (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 7:08 AM

They alway deny extra people.

Can we landlord ask them to show proof the visitors having their own home like lease or utility payment?

Lying Tenants (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 8:05 AM

If you are getting paid then you have to tolerate this. It happens a lot and saying that no children can stay there is dangerous and sounds like discrimination. If your lease says no guests or guests may stay only one week or something like that, you can go to court and evict and the evidence would be photos of the cars perhaps taken every night. I would just take the money and hope for no damage.If you see any other lease violations then go to court.

Lying Tenants (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 8:46 AM

"If you are getting paid then you have to tolerate this."

This is untrue. If it is violating your lease, you do not have to tolerate this. As others have said though, you are in violation of federal law by stating no children. If you have already told the tenant this, then I hope they don't get a lawyer if it comes to eviction. Follow your lease on what it say about additional occupants. Follow state law in getting rid of them. In my state, I have to give 14 days to cure the lease violation (extra occupants in this case, NOT children being there). If they do not cure in 14 days, I can file for eviction based on the lease being violated. You must give a chance to cure, but make sure you do it according to your state laws.

Lying Tenants (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 9:10 AM

...Can we landlord ask them to show proof the visitors having their own home like lease or utility payment?...

This is often a response on here. I put it in the same bucket as "count toothbrushes" to determine how many folks are living in the unit.

Lying Tenants (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 9:59 AM

This will be a much bigger issue if/when Landlords are required to pay utilities. Many utility companies will let the Tenant sign a permit and you can view their utility bills online. That would show 3 extra people real fast in a documentable way. Look at his and her Facebook accounts to see if any pictures of them in your house exist.

Hubby and I bought a house once to flip and we really did it up nice. But, it did not sell. We finally put it on the rental market as well after 2 years because we wanted it to make some money. We turned down every applicant to rent though because the house was too nice and the prospective tenants were too risky, Finally,a couple we turned down as renters went to the bank and bought the place with a 125% mortgage.

It sounds like you made the place a little too nice for a real rental. Your heart is attached.

Lying Tenants (by Tia [NC]) Posted on: Mar 15, 2019 5:34 PM

Thank you so very much for such wonderful advice...I only have 1 Rental & it is my last which I did invest too much $$$ because I was going to live in the home myself and circumstances changed. So I decided to rent the home. Since I have been rented it has been a horrible experience. I had no clue people were such liars/ I am still amazed at the dishonesty.

Once again Thank you for the advice...

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