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Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Mar 9, 2019 10:29 PM
       Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 10, 2019 12:33 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 10, 2019 12:46 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Richard [MI]) Mar 10, 2019 5:33 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 10, 2019 5:39 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Mar 10, 2019 5:59 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Mar 10, 2019 6:00 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Mar 10, 2019 6:18 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Mar 10, 2019 6:23 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 10, 2019 6:24 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Mar 10, 2019 6:26 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Scott [IL]) Mar 10, 2019 6:27 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Mar 10, 2019 7:30 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 10, 2019 7:35 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Mar 10, 2019 7:48 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Doogie [KS]) Mar 10, 2019 8:25 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Mar 10, 2019 8:32 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by AllyM [NJ]) Mar 10, 2019 8:39 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by RentsDue [MA]) Mar 10, 2019 8:39 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 10, 2019 8:39 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 10, 2019 8:42 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Mar 10, 2019 8:46 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Mar 10, 2019 8:52 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by cjl [NY]) Mar 10, 2019 8:53 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Mar 10, 2019 9:20 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Mar 10, 2019 9:22 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Busy [WI]) Mar 10, 2019 9:39 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by ned [AL]) Mar 10, 2019 9:44 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Mar 10, 2019 10:07 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Sisco [MO]) Mar 10, 2019 10:07 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Mar 10, 2019 10:12 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Mar 10, 2019 10:13 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Mar 10, 2019 10:16 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Lana [IN]) Mar 10, 2019 10:54 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Mar 10, 2019 11:06 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Mar 10, 2019 11:10 AM
       Banning Pet Rent (by 6x6 [TN]) Mar 10, 2019 12:38 PM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Mar 10, 2019 1:09 PM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Annie [IN]) Mar 10, 2019 1:15 PM
       Banning Pet Rent (by Jerry [MA]) Mar 10, 2019 1:16 PM


Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 9, 2019 10:29 PM
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As you likely have already heard, the legislature in Oregon of course just passed the first statewide Rent Control in the country.

Now they are at it again. As of February, they are looking to ban Pet Rent charged by a LL.

Bet you that goes through also. Gotta love it. They won't be happy until they run all the landlords out of the business....okay but then who will they have to go after? --24.20.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 12:33 AM
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Classic hangman's noose story. Those darn greedy landlords again and their pet rent.... shame on those for profit landlords. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 12:46 AM
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Took me a minute to find it. Watch on YouTube: The Hangman Les Goldman & Paul Julian, 1964.

It's a parable about how this type of thinking won't end and to not give and inch. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 5:33 AM
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More of their insanity. As a landlord I would just raise the rent on everyone. It's a great example of the craziness. --23.121.xx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 5:39 AM
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Probably the same breed off tenant that complained the rent was too high, but thinks nothing of paying $3-4,000 for the designer dog they have and $100 a week in imported dog food. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 5:59 AM
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I am waiting for HUD to tell use we can't use an eviction filing that was dismissed to deny someone. I think it's only a matter of time, after their changes to the criminal history rules. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 6:00 AM
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JB it sounds like Oregon is now as bad or worse than Mass. and some of those other states that have been notorious for years for these laws. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 6:18 AM
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Oregon is lost forever

do whatever you have to and MOVE

life is too short to live in a cage --73.182.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 6:23 AM
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I always thought the Pacific NW was supposed to be kind of libertarian, people just wanted to left alone to do their own thing. But now things are going extreme there as in other parts of the country. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 6:24 AM
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Yes J, the smog blew too far north. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 6:26 AM
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LOL NE.

Even here in Florida some local officials are trying to push rent control now, and this state is pretty solidly "red". --72.188.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Scott [IL]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 6:27 AM
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We are getting out of the rental business! We have had enough of being the bad guy! --104.240.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 7:30 AM
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This is just me, but I think pet rent is ridiculous. That, along with non-refundable pet deposits are things that give landlords a bad name and help lead to anti-landlord laws. --76.120.xx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 7:35 AM
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That's strange Jeff, because I have MANY tenants who happily pay it. Especially since so many landlords refuse them altogether. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 7:48 AM
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{{{{{....... I always thought the Pacific NW was supposed to be kind of libertarian, people just wanted to left alone to do their own thing.......}}}}}}

That used to be. But Oregonians are no longer the majority of residents in Oregon. They now get out-voted.

Californians who ruined their own state moved to Oregon because it was cheaper and less crowded and then immediately set out to pass the same sort of laws that ruined California.

It's happened to other states as well, but not as crazy, yet. Ask anyone from Colorado. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 8:25 AM
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Sounds like rents in OR will be going up across the board. Everyone will be paying the pet rent now whether they have Fido living with them or not. It'll just be included in the base rent from now on.

Never ceases to amaze me in political thinking. There are consequences to every law passed. Some are good and intended and others are unintended and never thought about. Different groups will even warn the politicians about those unintended consequences. I don't think they care... --72.209.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 8:32 AM
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NE, I don't think they happily pay it. They pay it because that is their only option. My tenants are happy when when I tell them there is no depots or rent for their cat. --76.120.xx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 8:39 AM
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Invite one of those legislators to see a house that has been dog or cat damaged. I was able to do that by showing a unit to an administrative assistant for one of the local Senators. She saw it before it was fixed and was able to see the kind of damage one cat can do. The legislature decided not to require landlords to take pets. A few times I have been in the right place at the right time. --173.61.xxx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 8:39 AM
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It does sound like they want to be Massachusetts. Too bad their voter base canít see the trees through the forest. Massachusetts has a housing crisis that was created by government. Every other day itís on the news about how the shortage of available rentals is causing this ď crisisĒ that disproportionately effects low income people. We all know how it got that way. --71.10.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 8:39 AM
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They forget they're even paying it after a few months and time just rolls on into the future.

And that's right, they pay it because there's no other option. Partially because landlords don't take them and partially because I keep my places nice, so they want the unit.

Oregons next move for landlord survival will simply be "no pets".

I charge a fee as discouragement. I don't want them, but if they qualify and want to bring them, then I deserve to be paid.

Just like hotels charge and airlines charge. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 8:42 AM
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Jeff, aren't you also the same poster here who charges a late fee when the tenants are 5 minutes late wit rent? How is that any different in the arena of giving landlords a bad name?

I say we already have a bad name, charge away.

Back to that "market forces" thing again, sorry. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 8:46 AM
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If holding tenants accountable to paying their rent on time gives me a bad name, I am good with that.

I am not aware of any state that has proposed legislation against that sort of thing, as they have with pet rent.

I assure you that, in particular, non-refundable pet deposits

create a lot of ill will against landlords. --76.120.xx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 8:52 AM
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Hangmans noose Jeff, just a matter of time until late fees are a target too.

If I get a bad name for charging move in pet fees and monthly fees, so be it. I'm cool with that. --50.32.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by cjl [NY]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 8:53 AM
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I have had prospective tenants ask or offer "I'll pay an additional amount every month if I can have (whatever kind of animal)". So yes, some will do it.

Personal preference is I would allow a dog before a cat - people are more likely to be allergic to cats than dogs. Some are hyper allergic so it wouldn't matter.

I don't allow pets in my units (mainly because dogs bark and certain dogs will scratch floors, leave hair, jump, etc). Cats are a "ditto" to that and more as well.

I have allowed and when I do there is typically a pet DEPOSIT - not a fee. I feel and think (right or wrong) that if you charge a FEE vs a DEPOSIT than the person is thinking "why bother cleaning up or fixing anything - I'm not getting it back anyway". I want them to clean and fix any damages to mitigate what I will have to do after they leave. --69.201.xx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 9:20 AM
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NE, I bet you're right. Some day we'll just have to accept rents whenever tenants get around to paying.

CJL, I agree. Deposits are more effective if you want to be covered against damage.

--76.120.xx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by J [FL]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 9:22 AM
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I think if you're financially strapped, and renting, don't own pets until you can afford the costs.

Unfortunately the renters who don't take care of their animals and caused damage in units ruined it for everyone else, and these fees came into being. But now they are standard procedure. --72.188.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 9:39 AM
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Ď I think if youíre financially strapped, and renting, donít own pets until you can afford the costs.í Yes, yes, yes! A thousand times yes. --70.92.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by ned [AL]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 9:44 AM
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Donít own pets until you can afford the costs. Exactly. Non-Refundable Deposit=Fee. Just different word.

Either way, nothing illegal, immoral or unreasonable.

On average, pets tear stuff up.

It's gotta' be paid for somehow.

In my neck of the woods, anyway, I never hear grumbling about pet fees. --70.92.xx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 10:07 AM
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Jeff wrote, "I am not aware of any state that has proposed legislation against that sort of thing..."

Many states, including mine< already require LLs to give a grace period on rents. We have to give 4 full days here before we can charge a late fee. So what you have written here does not seem at all true already. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 10:07 AM
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With the high percentage of pet owners these days, were I a OR LL I would raise my rent by the amount of 2 pet fees as the base amount and advertise as pet friendly. --72.172.xxx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 10:12 AM
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You don't have to believe it. I wasn't talking about late fees. I should have mentioned that I offer a rent "discount" (not really a discount).

Example:

"Rent is $1250. If paid at or by 5:00 PM on the first, rent shall be reduced by $50. Late fees of $25 per day begin on the 2nd day of the month."

How do Oregon courts handle that? --76.120.xx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 10:13 AM
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NH specifically states in the statue that Landlords can only charge 1 month security deposit.

It does not include or exclude wording about pets.

Therefore I tell every person to call their state Rep (and I give them the number) to change the law & then I would think about pets - until then - NO PETS --73.182.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 10:16 AM
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I can't speak for other states but offering a discount for rent paid on time is considered a work around to the late fee and disallowed as well. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 10:54 AM
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I an studying "Sanctuary Cities" online. Go to You Tube and search " San Francisco is a Feceshole" while using a much cruder term for feces. You will see a city filled with homeless tents, immigrants, addicts, used needles, and human feces is piles all over. The same holds for Los Angeles, Seattle, and Portland Oregon. Not shown on the news. Los Angeles is fighting a typhus epidemic which was a Medieval disease caused by rat fleas. They are now a 4th world country worse than the slums of 3rd world countries.

They have a massive homeless population with many wealthy landowners who want to have high rises and mansions on their land. Certainly not low income housing. They don't want to hurt for the homeless. Let's hurt the Landlords instead. --216.23.xxx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 11:06 AM
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Thanks for that Lana. It is astounding how the media refuses to acknowledge all of the negatives surrounding our most progressive sanctuary cities and all of the horrible side effects from such. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 11:10 AM
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BTW, I completely forgot to mention that a couple of years ago Oregon already outlawed charging any non-refundable fees for pets. So only pet deposits are an option...and tenants are often getting around that with the idiotic companion animal rules.

I agree that Oregon is fast approaching MA in implementing ever increasing and harsher rules for LLs. Truly sad. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 12:38 PM
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J and Busy, That also should apply to kids.

JB, thank you for sharing.

Jeff, Do you just charge higher rent to everyone to cover for animals? Does this higher rent not price you out of the market?

--73.120.xx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 1:09 PM
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For several years we have been looking for our "forever" home, someplace cooler. We looked into moving to the PNW and we spend a couple weeks up there every summer, but the unrelenting infringements on freedom in WA/OR and the increasing costs of living there killed the idea of moving there. Now I'm glad we decided against it. Thanks Microsoft...

AZ is also under attack. Now we have a socialist senator who wears a pink tu-tu. Phoenix and Tucsonifornia have 6 million people, vs 1 million in the rest of rural AZ, so they wag the dog and we get no voice. We have pretty good LL protections, but they are being whittled at. We pay twice the taxes on rentals and commercial than residential. I see the writing on the wall but I don't see any place left to go.

I think our problems as a nation go far deeper than landlord issues. We are so divided, so much is wrong and there seems no way to build consensus. Somehow we have to bridge these gaps. I feel like it's 1915 in Russia just before the bolshevik revolution, and WE are the bourgeoisie about to have our lands and rights "redistributed."

--47.216.xx.xxx




Banning Pet Rent (by Annie [IN]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 1:15 PM
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When government gets involved, then prices go UP! When they get to the point of ridiculousness, there will be no rental properties, because landlords will not bother with the stupidness any longer.

--75.103.xxx.xx




Banning Pet Rent (by Jerry [MA]) Posted on: Mar 10, 2019 1:16 PM
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You might be able to get around this by having two kinds of apartments, the kind where pets are allowed and the kind where pets are not allowed. The kind where pets are allowed cost more than the ones where they are not allowed. --71.233.xxx.xx





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