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Aurora Shooting (by GKARL [PA]) Feb 16, 2019 6:59 PM
       Aurora Shooting (by Paulio [PA]) Feb 16, 2019 7:18 PM
       Aurora Shooting (by JB [OR]) Feb 16, 2019 8:16 PM
       Aurora Shooting (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 16, 2019 10:24 PM
       Aurora Shooting (by WMH [NC]) Feb 17, 2019 5:12 AM
       Aurora Shooting (by WMH [NC]) Feb 17, 2019 5:12 AM
       Aurora Shooting (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Feb 17, 2019 5:34 AM
       Aurora Shooting (by AllyM [NJ]) Feb 17, 2019 6:29 AM
       Aurora Shooting (by Jeff [CO]) Feb 17, 2019 6:43 AM
       Aurora Shooting (by Robert J [CA]) Feb 17, 2019 7:54 AM
       Aurora Shooting (by David [MI]) Feb 17, 2019 8:12 AM
       Aurora Shooting (by David [MI]) Feb 17, 2019 8:13 AM
       Aurora Shooting (by CJ [MO]) Feb 17, 2019 8:54 AM
       Aurora Shooting (by Busy [WI]) Feb 17, 2019 11:28 AM


Aurora Shooting (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Feb 16, 2019 6:59 PM
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I'm reading about this guy who killed several people in response to getting fired. He had a felony for aggravated assault from years ago which the company missed on his background check, but he had been employed there for 15 years. He had more recent charges for domestic related violence which occurred after he was hired. As I read about the case, I thought about his LL and how easily an eviction could have triggered the same time as getting fired from the job. This guy was a ticking time bomb.

Here are my questions:

1) Let's say you have a prospect who had a single aggravated assault charge from 20 years ago but had solid employment for the past 15 years. Would you rent to him?

2) Not all physical interaction can be minimized. How can you fire someone safely and from a distance? I suppose you can just send them a letter but that's not going to stop them from coming onsite to confront someone. The same issue applies in the LL/Tenant context. Keeping physical interaction to a minimum can mitigate responses driven by passion, but what of someone on a mission to find you and exact some payback? The company had an entire management infrastructure in place but to no avail. The "managers" were killed rather than the owner. Often people exact payback on who's immediately available.

I'm not suggesting that reasonable precautions shouldn't be taken, but none of them is a guarantee. --209.122.xx.xxx




Aurora Shooting (by Paulio [PA]) Posted on: Feb 16, 2019 7:18 PM
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You make good points. There is a very good chance that I would rent to somebody with an old conviction and 15 years of steady employment. Sounds like he turned his life around, right? LLing is certainly not a no-risk profession. In fact, itís probably higher risk than being a manager at that company. --174.201.x.xxx




Aurora Shooting (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Feb 16, 2019 8:16 PM
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There is just know way to keep some of these thing from happening. Sometimes these thing will happen. It's like passing new laws constantly to try to protect people from themselves and others. It may work here and there, but if people really want to kill someone they will figure out a way to do it.

My advice is treat people fairly. Seem sympathetic when warranted. And just make reasonable and rational decisions in your life and business.

Living your life in a bubble is no way to live. I think of all of the money and fame that Howard Hughes had. But in the last 10 years or so of his life he wouldn't even go out. --24.20.xxx.xxx




Aurora Shooting (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 16, 2019 10:24 PM
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THIS is why LLs must take extra steps to protect their family. You never know what's in people heads.

The innocent people around them got hurt. In the case of a LL that would be your family.

Do it for you kids.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Aurora Shooting (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 5:12 AM
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I don't take people with violent personal crimes any more. Assault and domestic violence are no go's, because that indicates a temper of a sort I don't want to deal with.

You know what? I barely look at what they do for a living, beyond caring about what they make.

15 years on the job? To me, that would have me wondering why they still renting rather than buying...most of our best prospective tenants are moving here from somewhere else, or moved here last winter and took temporary housing. --50.82.xxx.xx




Aurora Shooting (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 5:12 AM
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I don't take people with violent personal crimes any more. Assault and domestic violence are no go's, because that indicates a temper of a sort I don't want to deal with.

You know what? I barely look at what they do for a living, beyond caring about what they make.

15 years on the job? To me, that would have me wondering why they still renting rather than buying...most of our best prospective tenants are moving here from somewhere else, or moved here last winter and took temporary housing. --50.82.xxx.xx




Aurora Shooting (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 5:34 AM
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I often hear about turning a life around, or everyone deserves a second chance, or it's been many years.

But to me, the leopard doesn't change his spots. The person with violent crimes has something wrong with his wiring. Maybe he can learn to control it, maybe he can't. I don't want to be the one to sort it out.

My problem with old crimes is that it is getting harder and hard to do background screening and I can easily see how something like that might not show up when screening. After all, judgements are getting hard to find because the credit reporting companies aren't supposed to put them on the credit report. Lots of communities are making it illegal to ask about criminal background, so I can see it coming that at some point, criminal background might become unavailable. --98.146.xxx.xxx




Aurora Shooting (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 6:29 AM
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I guess the company just thought they could fire a guy in front of his coworkers and bosses at a meeting. At least that is what I heard was about to happen. How stupid is that? We all know that poor performers get "kicked upstairs" at companies and end up as bosses.

When my former employer downsized 300 people after the Clinton administration Department of Education cheated them on a contract, they were very careful. They downloaded all computers for those involved, had one person tell each person privately and they were escorted to a cafeteria area and then sent to an employment agency for assistance. Some folks were asked to come to a workspace at another company location and do work tasks as needed to get another job in the company. I declined to do that since I had already started another business and was involved in the rentals.

Obviously this individual had a history of lashing out at others. What they should have done is "promote" him to another area or at least have him go right to an employment agency for another job or just lay him off and let him collect on the taxpayer's dime. But at lease the victims would be alive. Never, ever fire someone to their face in a group setting. It may give you satisfaction but it could get you killed. --173.61.xxx.xx




Aurora Shooting (by Jeff [CO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 6:43 AM
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I think this a fake story. This could not have happened. Illinois has tough gun laws! --76.120.xx.xx




Aurora Shooting (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 7:54 AM
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The world is made up of a full spectrum of people. Some good, some bad and everything in between. When someone's world is caving in, their reaction sometimes is to lash out at anyone, even those who were friendly to them.

When I was 18 years old a customer of our company (not real estate) was getting divorced, loosing visitation right to his step daughter and who's business was failing. We had asked this person to please return any goods not sold and would forgive the debt owed, many thousands of dollars.

My partner was newly married with a young infant. The client came to his house and unloaded his weapons shooting everyone. My partners wife didn't make it.

From that day forward I carried a gun, had a bullet proof vest, studied martial arts and looked over my shoulder. When I then got married and had child, I changed professions, locked up my gun and never put my family in this position.

Then when a tenant lost his job, wife filed for divorce and moved out, I had to deal with a non-paying tenant in a house of memories on the verge of suicide. Known to collect guns, I was faced several times with a explosive situation. I had to walk on egg shells. Offer assistance and forgive debt/rent. Had I just evicted them, I wouldn't be alive to tell today. --47.156.xx.xx




Aurora Shooting (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 8:12 AM
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The modern US justice system revolves around plea deals to save time and money on jury trials. So if someone plead guilty to aggravated assault, the true charge was probably something like attempted murder.

Keep that in mind when you look at someone's criminal record, the actual crime was probably a level or two higher. The prosecutor just wanted to save taxpayers money on a trial.

So I don't approve anyone who even has a misdemeanor. --50.4.xxx.x




Aurora Shooting (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 8:13 AM
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"How can you fire someone safely and from a distance? " You have security present and ready to walk them out --50.4.xxx.x




Aurora Shooting (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 8:54 AM
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Lots of young people have very bad temp, but not much history for us landlord to refer. I learnt most adult children renting with their parents are hard to control. --97.91.xxx.xxx




Aurora Shooting (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 17, 2019 11:28 AM
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Something to keep in mind, there have always been events like this. A long time ago, I read about two brothers, named Cain and Abel. But, now with instant communications, we can all be alerted to murders, assaults immediately, and reminded ad nauseum.

Some of the best defenses have already been mentioned in this thread: keep a civil tongue. be kind. don't be a bottom-opening. be aware. And limit exposure. --70.92.xxx.xxx





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