Not political- the wall (by RentsDue [MA]) Feb 13, 2019 8:02 AM|
Not political- the wall (by Smokowna [MD]) Feb 13, 2019 8:20 AM
Not political- the wall (by JB [OR]) Feb 13, 2019 8:20 AM
Not political- the wall (by S i d [MO]) Feb 13, 2019 8:26 AM
Not political- the wall (by Libi [NY]) Feb 13, 2019 10:10 AM
Not political- the wall (by DJ [VA]) Feb 13, 2019 10:53 AM
Not political- the wall (by Salernitana [CA]) Feb 13, 2019 12:03 PM
Not political- the wall (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 13, 2019 1:22 PM
Not political- the wall (by NE [PA]) Feb 13, 2019 1:38 PM
Not political- the wall (by AllyM [NJ]) Feb 13, 2019 1:56 PM
Not political- the wall (by Pmh [TX]) Feb 13, 2019 1:59 PM
Not political- the wall (by NE [PA]) Feb 13, 2019 2:15 PM
Not political- the wall (by Ann [MA]) Feb 13, 2019 2:47 PM
Not political- the wall (by Pmh [TX]) Feb 13, 2019 3:43 PM
Not political- the wall (by RentsDue [MA]) Feb 13, 2019 5:16 PM
Not political- the wall (by John... [MI]) Feb 13, 2019 5:21 PM
Not political- the wall (by fred [CA]) Feb 13, 2019 5:24 PM
Not political- the wall (by AllyM [NJ]) Feb 13, 2019 6:56 PM
Not political- the wall (by Wilma [PA]) Feb 14, 2019 12:00 PM
Not political- the wall (by Mickie [OH]) Feb 14, 2019 2:35 PM
Not political- the wall (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Feb 14, 2019 3:15 PM
Not political- the wall (by Smokowna [MD]) Feb 15, 2019 4:59 AM
Not political- the wall (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 8:02 AM
This post is not intended in any way to be a political post. It doesnít matter what side you are on, itís purely about deal making. We all do it here. Buying, selling or leasing you are in the business of negotiating. I canít help but think that our president doesnít really need 5.7 B , he just started high on his asking price. SAME AS WE ALL DO WHEN WE SELL. Then when it comes to actually building it he will negotiate for a lower price ( like he did with AirForce1). SAME AS WE ALL DO WHEN WE BUY. I thinking it is investor style leadership. Iím not saying itís right or wrong but it would at least make sense to me. Political affiliations aside, do my fellow LLs think this is an effective strategy on such a large scale?
Not political- the wall (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 8:20 AM
I believe that you have accurately outlined what is taking place.
Don't forget time. By making something stretch out in the political world you leave your opponent time to make a mistake. By knowing your next move, should your opponent slip up you are right there with your next solution.
Look ahead to book titles which will highlight "wall" in their titles.
Not political- the wall (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 8:20 AM
The total cost to us as a Country (Federal, state, local municipalities) is over $135 Billion PER YEAR. $5.7B is a drop in the bucket for what our annual expenses for illegal immigration cost. BTW, the original figure being asked was over $25B I believe. --24.20.xxx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 8:26 AM
Probably yes. But given typical Govt delays, cost over-runs, and lack of any significant accountability my guess is the final figure will be at least 10x whatever is approved.
It's all about negotiating and posturing to prove you're tough on whatever your side wants. I see that on social media all the time. "Watch how Politician A DESTROYS Politician B!" The Comment sections are always amusing and prescient.
This kind of rhetoric plays well with crowds who are no longer allowed to be entertained by the Colosseum. --173.20.xxx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by Libi [NY]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 10:10 AM
I like the ęBuy and SellĒ idea, but my first thought was a real physical wall of the house. Will make another post for DIY wall repair later. --74.90.xx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 10:53 AM
absolutely. read potus' book "the art of the deal". start with an outrageous offer, end up close to what you really wanted. expert negotiation --174.255.xxx.xx
Not political- the wall (by Salernitana [CA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 12:03 PM
Interesting, and thanks for the summary about the book.
Whoa, S i d, that's a smooth allusion to Caesar's "panem et circenses"/"Bread and circuses."
Not political- the wall (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 1:22 PM
MY non-political response:
I tell my 30-something age offspring that in their adult lifetime, the time they have been aware of anything political from teen govt class forward, they have only seen weak or mild mannered presidents. Suddenly we have a pres who talks like a Get 'er Done business person working a deal, much like most LLs here.
I tell them to stay calm he has a plan, it's just not normal mealy mouth politics.
Don't let the media's hissy fits get to you.
Politics is not about doing the right thing, it's about showing power. If you figure out you are not getting the power, maneuver a way to allow the thing that's going to happen with or without you to happen while SAVING FACE, perhaps even taking credit for it!
ASSUMING the wall thing passes, this pres will go down in history as the guy who made it happen.
Plus the door will be opened for more wall money.
Fun Fact: $5 billion is only .8% of the federal budget. Less than 1%!
I agree, he is playing a smart, coy game.
PS What about El Chapo's $14Bill? for the wall I don't think anyone would disagree!
Not political- the wall (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 1:38 PM
Not political- the wall (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 1:56 PM
I am sick of hearing about the murders and drunken illegals running over people. I want the army on that border and I want him to declare a crisis NOW. We are being invaded. Someone that does not mean while for the USA as we know it is encouraging all those folks to come in here and their intentions are not good in many cases. One newscaster said that the drug cartels are running our southern border and that is quite true. Yes he is running it like a real estare enterprise. It has been run by generals and lawyers and I think the generals and our president did the best job. And the little haberdasher didn't do to badly either. --173.61.xxx.xx
Not political- the wall (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 1:59 PM
how can this be construed by any stretch of an idiots imagination that this is not a political post. pls explain how it pertains to LL --70.119.xxx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 2:15 PM
Pmh, it may not pertains to landlords but it certainly pertains to investors. It's a "don't show em all your cards" lesson.
Ask for way more than you expect to get, let them talk you down and land on target. Negotiation basics on a huge scale.
You get that part, right? You can see past the politics to take a look at potential lessons, right? Cuz they're there. Love him or hate him, they're there. Your choice to wear blinders. --50.107.xxx.xx
Not political- the wall (by Ann [MA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 2:47 PM
Putting things in perspective on how much we spend on things. Our local newspaper contributors seem to wring their hands and moaning over the 5.7 bill But really compare it to other things we spend on,..
We spent 24 billion (so far) on the corrupt "big dig"in Boston. We spend 100 billion on costs for current illegals and they send 90 billion back home to their family's in Mexico and other Latin countries last year.. That money is sucked out of the country. At least the wall will be built with money that gets recycled here. We spend over 5 billion on hair care products and 65 billion in soda pop. 3 billion on Halloween candy, 66 billion on lottery tickets., 11 billion on coffee ,16 billion in chocolate, 10 billion on romance novels % billion on ringtones. 4.8 on perfume 4.3 B on St Patricks day, 2.3 on tatoos Etc Etc<.. --66.30.xx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 3:43 PM
ne: pls read my post again. perhaps several times. --166.137.xxx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 5:16 PM
Itís got a whole lot to do with LLs. We are all investors, you invest in your property, your equipment, your employees and even your tenants. NE ( and just about everybody else) saw this like I did because itís pretty much what we do, just without the billions of dollars and media coverage. Same game, bigger players. --71.10.xxx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 5:21 PM
I agree with PMH.
And I think the attempt to spin this as "Yeah, this was his plan all along to ask for $5B because he only needed much less" is a joke. Most estimates show the actual cost for what he wants well above $5B. And, as was said above, the original ask was like 5 times that.
This is simply NOT a situation where he's just being a clever negotiator to get what he really wanted. That just isn't what happened.
Not political- the wall (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 5:24 PM
I have a question:
Suppose a complete wall is built under DT.
Can another president decide, let's say in 15 years, to dismantle the wall and actually do it? --99.59.x.xxx
Not political- the wall (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Feb 13, 2019 6:56 PM
Pelosi is not normal. It's like negotiating a deal with Hitler. The other party's goal is so far beyond simple money matters that it's just not possible to force a deal for the president to protect us. He is negotiating with a committee and the person who holds the other cards is not on it. --73.248.xxx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Feb 14, 2019 12:00 PM
As a landlord, I WANT more people to legally immigrate here, especially properly vetted Mexicans. I have found them in general to be family oriented, polite, pleasant, and hard working; unlike many of the entitled deadbeats who bounce from eviction to eviction. We should make the process of immigrating more efficient and less bewildering than it is now.
Our country is currently at less than Zero population growth. Properly entered immigrants will pay into the social services system as they work legitimate jobs. Their children will grow up to do the same. We landlords will likely get many people renting from us who fit our criteria (eventually).
That all said, I also want beefed up border security to help to keep out the criminal element. And ZERO "sanctuary cities", where the criminal element is permitted to be unmolested while they spread their drugs and crime.
Maybe it IS impossible to separate the landlording topic from the political topic here. Just my two cents. --71.175.xxx.xx
Not political- the wall (by Mickie [OH]) Posted on: Feb 14, 2019 2:35 PM
Take El Chapo's assets, sell and build. If you're careful it good with a budget throw a party and then get back to work (hopefully using the cartels moohla for a good project that will produce more jobs and boost our economy). Rinse and repeat as long as you have drug cartels. 2 birds 1 rock. --174.232.xxx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Feb 14, 2019 3:15 PM
No, a future President can't just have it torn down by Executive Order. The wall was approved by both houses of congress 16 years ago or about that time. It just wasn't funded. To tear it down, it would have to go through Congress and every congressperson knows they'd be blamed for any deaths or harm caused by such an action so I doubt it would be hard to have a majority vote to take it down. --108.69.xxx.xxx
Not political- the wall (by Smokowna [MD]) Posted on: Feb 15, 2019 4:59 AM
A new scenario came up in the news about Amazon not going into NY.
The discussion is not supposed to be on the merits of such a move but rather what was or was not offered by the parties involved.
With this move I imagine there were multiple groups that would gain or lose. Addressing all of them and their concerns may be what broke down the deal.