Odd Situation (by Anonymous [IN]) Jun 23, 2018 12:50 PM|
Odd Situation (by WMH [NC]) Jun 23, 2018 12:53 PM
Odd Situation (by anonymous [IN]) Jun 23, 2018 1:01 PM
Odd Situation (by Still Learning [NH]) Jun 23, 2018 1:02 PM
Odd Situation (by Anaymous [IN]) Jun 23, 2018 1:02 PM
Odd Situation (by NE [PA]) Jun 23, 2018 1:08 PM
Odd Situation (by Ken [NY]) Jun 23, 2018 1:15 PM
Odd Situation (by LisaFL [FL]) Jun 23, 2018 1:15 PM
Odd Situation (by WMH [NC]) Jun 23, 2018 1:16 PM
Odd Situation (by Laura [MD]) Jun 23, 2018 1:19 PM
Odd Situation (by WMH [NC]) Jun 23, 2018 1:20 PM
Odd Situation (by WMH [NC]) Jun 23, 2018 1:40 PM
Odd Situation (by Beth [WI]) Jun 23, 2018 1:53 PM
Odd Situation (by Barb [MO]) Jun 23, 2018 1:55 PM
Odd Situation (by Deanna [TX]) Jun 23, 2018 2:13 PM
Odd Situation (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Jun 23, 2018 2:17 PM
Odd Situation (by LindaJ [NY]) Jun 23, 2018 2:20 PM
Odd Situation (by Barb [MO]) Jun 23, 2018 2:20 PM
Odd Situation (by NE [PA]) Jun 23, 2018 2:24 PM
Odd Situation (by JR [ME]) Jun 23, 2018 2:48 PM
Odd Situation (by beelocks [NH]) Jun 23, 2018 3:19 PM
Odd Situation (by Ken [NY]) Jun 23, 2018 3:37 PM
Odd Situation (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Jun 23, 2018 3:53 PM
Odd Situation (by RentsDue [MA]) Jun 23, 2018 4:55 PM
Odd Situation (by AllyM [NJ]) Jun 23, 2018 6:13 PM
Odd Situation (by AllyM [NJ]) Jun 23, 2018 6:16 PM
Odd Situation (by Gary [OK]) Jun 23, 2018 7:08 PM
Odd Situation (by cjo'h [CT]) Jun 23, 2018 10:26 PM
Odd Situation (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jun 23, 2018 11:09 PM
Odd Situation (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Jun 23, 2018 11:30 PM
Odd Situation (by JB [OR]) Jun 23, 2018 11:50 PM
Odd Situation (by Steve [MA]) Jun 24, 2018 7:26 AM
Odd Situation (by Tom [FL]) Jun 24, 2018 9:40 AM
Odd Situation (by Lana [IN]) Jun 24, 2018 10:01 AM
Odd Situation (by LindaJ [NY]) Jun 24, 2018 10:26 AM
Odd Situation (by Robert J [CA]) Jun 24, 2018 1:42 PM
Odd Situation (by Truthmachine [MA]) Jun 24, 2018 3:50 PM
Odd Situation (by JB [OR]) Jun 24, 2018 6:54 PM
Odd Situation (by Laura [MD]) Jun 24, 2018 7:41 PM
Odd Situation (by Wilma [PA]) Jun 25, 2018 9:27 AM
Odd Situation (by Hammer [TN]) Jun 25, 2018 10:06 AM
Odd Situation (by Lynda [TX]) Jun 25, 2018 11:06 AM
Odd Situation (by Vee [OH]) Jun 26, 2018 5:49 AM
Odd Situation (by Jerome [KY]) Jul 1, 2018 10:57 AM
Odd Situation (by Anonymous [IN]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 12:50 PM
I am actually a tenant and not an landlord, but my wife and I are stuck in a very strange situation. My in laws had been at a rental property for 18 years where my wife spent her latter teenage years living as well. My wife and father and law have also ran a business on this property for the past six years as well. Last year the landlord informed my in laws that they were selling the property to developers and the house would eventually be demolished. With that said my in laws never received any type of evection notice nor did anyone ever tell them that they had to move out. The project that was being done was estimated to be 2 to 4 years out from the time of the sale. Long story short my in laws continued to live in the house rent free for six months until they found a house that they purchased and moved into. As a result and since my wife had been working full time running a business on the property the whole time they offered to allow us to move in. In which we did. The development company that purchased the property knew there were tenants at the time of purchase nor has the house on the property ever been vacant (not even for one day) since the sale of the property to the developers. We have know been here for 8 months and we get a knock on our door yesterday from the CFO of the development company. He proceeded to advise us that they are planning on the bulldozing the house in late July and that they want us out within 3 weeks! My question is do me and my wife have occupancy rights and can stretch this out for more time in the house, by making them provide an official 30 day notice and even file for eviction with the sheriff's office? I normally would not attempt to do any of this kind of the thing, but with the company knowing that we were in the house for as long as they did and then decide to only try to give us three weeks to move out is not very reasonable so I am trying to determine if we have the ability to stretch this out a bit longer so that we have some time to find a place to live. We have pets and we also have to rent so it limits our selections and we need more time. Thanks for any advise in advance. --174.231.xx.xx
Odd Situation (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 12:53 PM
You've been living rent-free and you want to drag this out and have them evict you?
No advise from me. You knew what you were getting into. --50.82.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by anonymous [IN]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:01 PM
Oops. Very Unreasonable* --174.231.xx.xx
Odd Situation (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:02 PM
If you think 3 weeks will be hard, try after having an eviction on your record. Put your things in storage and move in with your in laws. I’m not sure why you all felt it was your right to live somewhere rent free. --24.61.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Anaymous [IN]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:02 PM
I don't need pricks responding with smart ass remarks. You would do the exact same thing if you were given the opportunity and if you say you wouldn't you are a liar. --174.231.xx.xx
Odd Situation (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:08 PM
It's amazing how fiesty tenant posters get when they ask for and receive advise on this forum. I was kind of on your side and was going to help you until I saw your responses to the other folks. Good luck. --50.32.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:15 PM
No good deed goes unpunished,the developer was nice and left you there rent free for 6 months plus the 8 months your in laws were there rent free and this is how you show your appreciation?and actually you are squatters since you moved in after your inlaws moved out without permission.He should have given you proper notice the day he bought the place and left it vacant till he was ready to knock it down.You say you would not normally do this but it looks like exactly what you would do,you knew this was going to happen.Dont even respond and tell us that you need time to save up for rent and first month.The owner is not being reasonable? what an attitude.He will evict you and also name your inlaws on the eviction because they never turned keys over etc and just let you move in so they are still legally tenants there and get a huge judgment against you and then file it against the inlaws house and start a foreclosure action against there property.I would suggest you be gone in the 3 weeks they have asked you to be gone --72.231.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:15 PM
Did you have a signed lease with the former owners? It sounds to me like you simply moved in without either owner's permission. They have no obligation to you.
You seriously think you have a right to live rent free in someone else's house? Most people would do this if given the opportunity? Not law abiding ones. You are trespassing. --173.170.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:16 PM
Listen to Ken.
And no, I would NOT do the exact same thing. Not everyone is dishonest. --50.82.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:19 PM
You have been living rent free for MONTHS and want to know how to drag it out longer and you are calling someone else a prick. Look in the mirrorX@#%! --108.51.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:20 PM
But you will walk away from this Board thinking we are all lying, because you do. You will walk away from this Board thinking we are all thieves, because you are. You will walk away from here saying we are all "pricks" because of course you are... --50.82.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:40 PM
I sat on my hands for hours now but I have to say it, I'm sorry:
This is why you and yours will always be renters. --50.82.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Beth [WI]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:53 PM
If you insist on staying there, perhaps the developer will see to it that the squatters get 3 hots and a cot. --66.87.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 1:55 PM
You and your family had months of free rent. If you make the owner evict you, it will go on your record. Most property owners and managers don't rent to people with evictions on their records. --64.251.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 2:13 PM
So, that's the trade-off. You chose 9 months' free rent, and an emergency surprise deadline, rather than doing the prudent thing and moving on your terms, on your schedule.
But it's fortunate that you looked ahead and saved up those nine months' worth of unpaid rent, so you shouldn't have any problem affording to move into a new place.
As a business owner, why would you want to purposefully throw a monkey wrench into the schedule of another business owner? --96.46.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 2:17 PM
Notice how the original poster started off "my in-laws have been at the rental property for 18 years". I have noticed this thought process in other long term tenants. They appear to assume that a long term tenancy confers some sort of ownership rights, and feel unjustly treated when the LL needs to terminate or change the terms of the tenancy. I do not understand this thinking.
Anyone have any insight into why they think this way? --98.146.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 2:20 PM
And what are you going to do if he takes you to court for the amount of rent you were supposed to pay. You knew this day was coming. --108.44.xx.xxx
Odd Situation (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 2:20 PM
RathdrumGal, I figure it is because they figure they paid for the property with their rent. They figure the owner is wealthy because he owns the property and someone else pays for it.
They dont think about us having to also hire the fix it guy every time they call with a problem. --172.58.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 2:24 PM
Rathdrumgal, the poster MYOB touches on this quite often. After a few years, he boots tenants.
I think the reason is 2 fold. 1, they develop an ownership attitude as being discussed now. 2, he said it's easier to turn over a unit after a few years with a little work here and there vs a total remodel after a 15-20 year tenancy.
He may be onto something with this thinking.
Odd Situation (by JR [ME]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 2:48 PM
Anonymous be sure to disclose to your potential new landlord how your families have lived more than a year rent free and are now trying to screw the owner out of as many additional days rent free that you can. And no, I would not stretch this out like you are. Not everyone takes advantage like you do. --174.192.xx.xxx
Odd Situation (by beelocks [NH]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 3:19 PM
I would not do this given the chance, but I have known people who have squatted (East London late 1980s)
In one case, the property was left unattended by the squatters for a few hours and when they returned from the pub, the building was merely a pile of rubble with their possessions inside.
The building owners claimed that they had no knowledge of anyone living in their vacant and condemned building; proper permissions had been granted by the planning board for the demolition and no wrongdoing was found on the part of the building owner.
After months of free rent, you could probably take a chance that the same won't happen to you. --98.229.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 3:37 PM
Anonymous,where did you go? did you really think a website full of landlords were going to help you stick it to your landlord? --72.231.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 3:53 PM
I do not understand why you think you may have occupancy rights. Whether the developer knew you moved in after your parents left or not doesn't alter the facts. The original tenants on lease moved out and you, who are were not on the lease, moved in without the owners explicit approval technically making you squatters. Every state has their own laws regarding this. Normally property owners simply file for eviction. However, if it is determined that you are squatters Indiana has an interesting twist. In 1927 Indiana passed a bill that required squatters to also pay all of the taxes that are assessed to the property in question during their occupation period.
You came on to a landlord forum expecting confirmation that you were entitled to 30 days notice after 6 months of trespassing and living rent free. In spite of their indignation these LL's actually gave you sound advice. The fact that you called them pricks when their responses didn't align with your sense of entitlement speaks volumes about your character. --71.75.xx.xx
Odd Situation (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 4:55 PM
This is why we need to ask for proof of previous rental payments when we screen. Too many squatters out there. --71.10.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 6:13 PM
No you have no rights. You were warned and continued to live there for free. Now it is time to move as the new owner is ready to do what they paid for. Maybe you could be typical jerks and stay there and hold up progress but they will start bulldozing around the house. Get out now while you still have your dignity. --73.178.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 6:16 PM
I think there are no more comments because the bulldozers took down the electric poles. Talk about entitlement. --73.178.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Gary [OK]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 7:08 PM
Anonymous, be sure and put this story on all future applications. You will get sympathy from landlords for the mistreatment you have endured. --98.184.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 10:26 PM
Anonymous, your answer to still Learning shows you to be the smuck you really are,If I were the developer I'd just go ahead and bulldoze the building with you in it...........charlie......................................................oh too bad...................................... --174.199.x.xxx
Odd Situation (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 11:09 PM
Me? I’d be suing all of you for the unpaid rent. Indiana says if you lived there you must pay, lease or no lease.
Odd Situation (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 11:30 PM
On June 7th they kicked out the Fiberals in the province of Ontario where it is going to take years to repair the damage done to the rental housing industry. Rent control along with the broken rental dispute process have forced out many of the smaller rental housing providers. One can not continue to operate at a life time loss every year where eventually the very large companies take over. Suddenly the existing tenants are evicted then looking for a rental unit where the vacancy rate is non existent or around one per cent. It bothers the socialist anyone making a living or profit from rental housing is treated poorly. So in the end the security of tenure has the opposite effect. In the province of Ontario it is illegal to charge a cleaning, damage or pet deposit where pet vandalism starts at five thousand dollars worth of damage or more. Rental housing providers are reluctant to take on more damages where they avoid pets altogether. Google some of the internet rental housing sites then see what is available. It maybe much expensive then the rent charged now. Damages done to rental units have to be passed in higher rents where it is a slum or a decent rental unit. --69.79.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 23, 2018 11:50 PM
Even your in-laws were smart enough to get out. You, are nothing but a squatter. Poor guy...been living rent free for months already.
If you had half a brain in your head you had to know that you could be asked to get off the property at a moment's notice.
But no. You stuck it out. You got entrenched...and you got yourself multiple pets and now you have no recent rental history. Good luck finding a new place to live. BTW, great idea to get yourself an eviction to make yourself even more desirable.
Better go find a bridge to live under. I think you know you deserve it. --50.45.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2018 7:26 AM
Radar[IN] is this really you posting to get the rest of us LLs going? --72.93.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2018 9:40 AM
Odd Situation Anaymous IN, I don't need pricks responding with smart ass remarks. You would do the exact same thing if you were given the opportunity and if you say you wouldn't you are a liar.
You are the poster child for an arrogant entitlement mentality. You are FULLY aware of the situation and the Landlord has given several heads up about the property. The landlord needs to evict you and take your sorry-ness to court. The judgement will go on your credit report and show the next landlord that you are a problem tenant and entitlement mindset.
And since you know it all take your money and your credit, apply for a mortgage and buy a place. Otherwise find a nice box and live in it.
Oh by the way IF you want a warm and fuzzy feeling, find a teddy bear and give it a BIG HUG.
Later Entitlement Mindset...
... let us know how the eviction went against you AND it will go to collections. YES!!! theres your sign!!!
Oh by the way you created the Odd Situation... --99.56.xx.xx
Odd Situation (by Lana [IN]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2018 10:01 AM
This was fun! I need to put more butter on my popcorn before the next flurry of answers. --216.23.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2018 10:26 AM
Bulldoze around the house... (AllyM) So true. Sold my farm rental to a developer and they did bulldoze and move dirt from around the house that was on a small hill. Took down huge trees next to the house. Parked the equipment there. Turned off the water on the squatter.. It was rather fun to watch. --108.44.xx.xxx
Odd Situation (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2018 1:42 PM
I received an offer to buy one of my rental homes almost a million dollars. So I talked with my tenants and offered them the following:
a) they could live there rent free for the next 3 months but had to be out by the end of 90 days.
b) pay rent and stay for the next 3 months and receive $10,000 if they are out by the 91 day.
c) be evicted
My tenant chose to play both sides of the fence. They wanted me to pay them $10,000 after not paying rent for the next 3 months and asked the buyer to also pay them another $10,000. We kindly evicted them and got the 3 months back rent and court costs. Some people have a nerve to agree to something then want more. --47.156.xx.xx
Odd Situation (by Truthmachine [MA]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2018 3:50 PM
You want an honest answer? One that will best suit you? Here it is:
If no official notice was given, then from a legal standpoint, you aren't obligated to move. If they did provide proper notice, then you're wasting your time and you're going to ruin your credit. However, I'll continue on the assumption that proper notice wasn't given:
Don't pay anything. Don't move. Let them come to the property and demolish it with your contents inside. Make sure to obtain proof of all of the items that were inside of the house. A video will suffice. If they kick you out without proper notice, that's an illegal eviction. In my state, you can sue for 3x your damages. That includes your hotel stay and all of the discarded/damaged belongings.
What I would suggest is this: Move everything you care about into a storage locker. Replace everything that was moved out with junk furniture (think freebies from Craigslist). When the house is demolished, you'll still have all of the items you cared about, but you're going to sue for all of the furniture that was destroyed. Keep receipts for everything that you're out.
I would guess that 3x your damages would be a conservative lawsuit if they demolished the house you were occupying without going through the proper channels.
That's the country we live in. Both sides have to play by the rules. Live it up. --73.177.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2018 6:54 PM
WRONG!!! These are not the original tenants. They are squatters... --50.45.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Jun 24, 2018 7:41 PM
Go ahead and follow Truthmachine's advice.......you deserve it !!!! --108.51.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2018 9:27 AM
I did some mental math about this guy's post. His wife, at least - and probably he - is a Millennial. While I usually defend that age group, as I know many hardworking Millennials without an entitlement mentality, I will say that the label and all of the meaning pertaining to it appears to apply here.
The good news is that some of what we are all saying here just may sink in, and these two will leave quickly and quietly from the property on which they are squatting. I sure hope so! --71.175.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Hammer [TN]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2018 10:06 AM
Ok, Im not going to bash you but give you some advice that took me many difficult years to figure out.
1. Fighting the system seems romantic but its a waste of time. LEARN the system and figure out how you can become a part of it and benefit from how it works.
2. Sticking it to the man sounds fun, but it has costs. Trashed credit, higher expenses on everything from insurance, to rent, to mortgages. Many costs are invisible. Nobody will want to do business with you or help you out. There are opportunities floating around you everyday but you will be excluded from them.
3. One day, you will want things. A stable life, a good income, a family, a nice car, peace of mind, a sense of accomplishment, wealth... When you are always trying to game the system, you will achieve none of these. Your life will be full of turmoil. Your relationships will be fleeting and stormy.
4. Doing what is right is hard. Getting by is harder. The strange this is that once you accept the responsibility of doing what is right, problems go away. Disasters quit happening so often, and when it does happen, you know how to handle it. Good things start to come TO you when you are responsible. People will notice you and offer you opportunities that you were previously excluded from. You start to reap the rewards of good decisions and responsibility instead of life kicking you around.
You know what is right. Its not your property and you should get out. You can find a new place, have time to move, and set up a better life with less stress. OR you can try to game the system to (steal) get a couple months free rent. Everyday will be stress filled wondering when the hammer will drop, is that the sheriff at the door? a process server? a collection agent on the phone? Do I have a judgement against me? When will that come back to bite me? --137.119.xxx.xxx
Odd Situation (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Jun 25, 2018 11:06 AM
WOW-Guys, you know the orig poster STOPPED reading all our neg responses about 10 LLs ago. So all our collective negativity isn't getting to him.
However it is good to re-affirm what is true and right. Maybe there are other tenants who read this board who need to absorb the message.
I hope the OP rents a PODS, stores his stuff, boards his dogs with his in-laws and then hits then pavement (googles the internet?) with serious intent to find a roof over his head. --108.87.xx.xxx
Odd Situation (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jun 26, 2018 5:49 AM
Read the lease, oops there is none - get your boxes filled quickly and transfer to storage unit nearby so they don't get dusty from the fallout, you had notice over 180 days this would happen so put your best foot forward, the developer could issue a 10 day notice but you got a great deal extra time, the sheriff will clear the house before the bulldozer moves forward but they only save lives not possessions. --76.188.xxx.xx
Odd Situation (by Jerome [KY]) Posted on: Jul 1, 2018 10:57 AM
You are the peick. Yhis site is not for free loading tenants. --184.43.xxx.xxx