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finance qualifications (by alicewonder [TX]) May 16, 2018 1:06 PM
       finance qualifications (by Jason [VA]) May 16, 2018 2:22 PM
       finance qualifications (by Barb [MO]) May 16, 2018 2:29 PM
       finance qualifications (by Vee [OH]) May 16, 2018 2:29 PM
       finance qualifications (by plenty [MO]) May 16, 2018 3:43 PM
       finance qualifications (by Pmh [TX]) May 16, 2018 4:45 PM
       finance qualifications (by Robert J [CA]) May 16, 2018 5:13 PM
       finance qualifications (by AllyM [NJ]) May 16, 2018 6:30 PM
       finance qualifications (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) May 16, 2018 7:56 PM
       finance qualifications (by Lynda [TX]) May 16, 2018 10:01 PM
       finance qualifications (by alicewonder [TX]) May 16, 2018 10:31 PM
       finance qualifications (by Vee [OH]) May 18, 2018 5:23 AM
       finance qualifications (by Mike Landis [FL]) May 29, 2018 3:35 PM

finance qualifications (by alicewonder [TX]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 1:06 PM

Here is a case, Please share your inputs:

the applicant and his youngest son will apply and his girlfriend probably will be always be there, even she said she has her own place. (only 5 miles away.)

His take home pay is $8,000 (round up), his monthly debts both installment and involvement is $6,000(round up), after paying the rent he has less than 500 for living expenses for two persons. (I do not know if he pays any child support, he has five kids, the youngest is graduating from sr. high in May.)

If you don't see his debts obligation that require his monthly payment, then he qualifies 3X of rent from his income.

He has less than 4,000 in his checking account, he has less than $20,000 in his 401K account after worked since 1994.

He has a new job less than 8 months, and I did not have any other info of his life (?) where, or how ...etc.

The listing agent said he is "close" to perfect.

What do you think? Should I rent it to him? I asked him to provide his son's drive license, his last three months bank statements, and 1040 IRS copies, he said he did not want to let me review it, because of the privacy issue, and identification thief.

So, what kind financial info do you ask your tenants to provide in order to qualify the lease.

Will you let me know soon.



finance qualifications (by Jason [VA]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 2:22 PM

It all depends on what your written criteria specifies. You should have a written criteria, but if you don't then you need to at least make sure all applicants are treated and screened equally. I personally require that the applicants make 3X the rent (gross). Some people require more, some require less. I don't delve too deeply into their personal finances because I want to just have a general rule to follow.

Your agent vouching for the applicant means nothing unless they're willing to cosign for them. --170.224.xx.x

finance qualifications (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 2:29 PM

That sounds funny. And listing agent? Uh, huh. She gets paid when she places, yes?

For this one, you need a credit check to see if he pays his bills. The score itself may be telling.

If you've not signed up for the one through MrLL, which requires the inspection, SmartMove would be a good option.

I'd also make sure to check out his previous employer, to see that he left on good terms, and his previous LL to see that he left on good terms and paid his bill. --131.151.xx.xx

finance qualifications (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 2:29 PM

Evenif they co-sign and it is out of town your stuck, prolly need a better agent - HUD requirement is 3x rent as monthly income, this is a good guideline to follow.

finance qualifications (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 3:43 PM

Stand firm on the bank statements. Ask again...they will tell all. Agents are the worst at screening tenants! --99.203.xx.xx

finance qualifications (by Pmh [TX]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 4:45 PM

Alice. you must have list of criteria used and must provide to applicants per TX law now if used to decline. I have list for whether to accept an application or not so I donít decline. having said that it appears you have no criteria whatsoever. It doesnít matter that you think he should have more in his bank account on a salary of $8k per month. I make more & keep only the minimum in bank accounts to cover monthly bills. The rest parked in money mkts and brokerage accounts. I can tell you though my first response on this one is to determine how he doesnít meet the criteria....

finance qualifications (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 5:13 PM

You should NOT rent to them!

The reason why we ask for 3 times the rent in their monthly income is because:

a) People have to pay Federal Taxes, around 30%. So this applicants $8,000 monthly income after taxes is $5,600.

b) People have transportation costs: Car Payments, Insurance and Repairs -- that's on average around $600 per month.

c) Health Insurance, Food and Utilities can easily be $1,000 a month.

So based on a applicant with little to no credit card debt and no student loans, his $8000 gross income boils down to $4,000 a month. Divide that by 3 and I hope your round is around $1,000 a month.

But when an applicant has a large debt to carry each money, as stated on their credit report (minimum debt service costs), they you can see they can't afford and you can't afford to accept him.

I once had a women applicant who made $750,000 a year. But she had such a large debt that she was $12,000 a month in the hole. She could understand why I rejected her.... Not my problem... --47.156.xx.xx

finance qualifications (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 6:30 PM

No. He doesn't have enough income to cover his bills and the rent. I turned down a psychiatrist once for my best unit because he owned the mid six figures in debt.

No. Run away from this one fast.

finance qualifications (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 7:56 PM

"The listing agent said he is "close" to perfect." I'm curious. If the list agent thinks that an applicant with 80% DTI is close to perfect then what do they consider a not so perfect applicant. --71.75.xx.xx

finance qualifications (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 10:01 PM

Alice, the agent only gets paid when she puts a tenant in, so she will say anyone is great if it means she gets her money.

NO do not take these people. Your best tenant is still out there.

finance qualifications (by alicewonder [TX]) Posted on: May 16, 2018 10:31 PM

Thank you for inputs.

I agree with you all.

Yes, the father and the son brought a full house of new furniture (2400 sqft) when they moved to Texas and leased a house. The current owner wants to increase rent for another $400, so they are looking for another place.

But, he only has $4,000 in his checking account, and to show he has 401K (which is untouchable.)

Well, I do not know how people live above their means.



finance qualifications (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 18, 2018 5:23 AM

Alice asked --> Well, I do not know how people live above their means. <--, thats just it they don't last long, no need to open for unfunded charity.

finance qualifications (by Mike Landis [FL]) Posted on: May 29, 2018 3:35 PM


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