HVAC (by myob [GA]) Apr 10, 2018 5:58 AM|
HVAC (by plenty [MO]) Apr 10, 2018 6:26 AM
HVAC (by WMH [NC]) Apr 10, 2018 6:34 AM
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Apr 10, 2018 6:43 AM
HVAC (by David [MI]) Apr 10, 2018 6:49 AM
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Apr 10, 2018 7:00 AM
HVAC (by David [MI]) Apr 10, 2018 7:12 AM
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Apr 10, 2018 7:48 AM
HVAC (by David [MI]) Apr 10, 2018 7:53 AM
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Apr 10, 2018 8:02 AM
HVAC (by David [MI]) Apr 10, 2018 8:04 AM
HVAC (by AllyM [NJ]) Apr 10, 2018 8:06 AM
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Apr 10, 2018 8:12 AM
HVAC (by David [MI]) Apr 10, 2018 8:19 AM
HVAC (by NE [PA]) Apr 10, 2018 8:26 AM
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Apr 10, 2018 8:33 AM
HVAC (by David [MI]) Apr 10, 2018 10:08 AM
HVAC (by David [MI]) Apr 10, 2018 10:11 AM
HVAC (by Busy [WI]) Apr 10, 2018 11:04 AM
HVAC (by cjo'h [CT]) Apr 10, 2018 12:10 PM
HVAC (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 10, 2018 12:13 PM
HVAC (by cjo'h [CT]) Apr 10, 2018 12:27 PM
HVAC (by cjo'h [CT]) Apr 10, 2018 12:33 PM
HVAC (by Vee [OH]) Apr 10, 2018 8:40 PM
HVAC (by cjo'h [CT]) Apr 10, 2018 9:05 PM
HVAC (by #22 [MO]) Apr 11, 2018 1:36 PM
HVAC (by LisaFL [FL]) Apr 11, 2018 2:24 PM
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Apr 12, 2018 4:08 AM
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 5:58 AM
Just a suggestion for those starting out. Now is the time to set up your business accounts at your local HVAC store or make contact with internet supply places. Get your accounts open so the day you need something your not jumping through HOOPS applying for status.
Find a repairman who will let you supply parts because thats the BIG mark up. Could never understand when Iwent to supply houses why so MANY HVAC trucks would be outside and mechanics sitting on stools inside. Wouldn't you think a repairman would have a common GLOW PLUG on his truck. BUT no he's sitting there-- of course running up your bill. I don't go for that any more.
LL's you shouldalso have your accounts (business accts) open at plumbing supply-Lowes and H-depot. Just saying!
HVAC (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 6:26 AM
does one need a wholesale state tax exempt number to set up such accounts ?? --184.206.xxx.xxx
HVAC (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 6:34 AM
We applied at Home Depot as a commercial account before we even had an LLC. We had to "guarantee" it using our personal SSN. --50.82.xxx.xx
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 6:43 AM
NC so your point is?
ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
It's like borrowing money-- never apply when you need it. --99.103.xxx.xxx
HVAC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 6:49 AM
All the big HVAC companies around here will give you a fixed quote up front for repairs. Making it impossible for them to "run up your bill" and give them every incentive to hustle and get parts asap. --12.47.xx.xxx
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 7:00 AM
David-- yea quotes of 2800.00 for a 1000.00 dollar job or 150.00 to replace an $8.00 flame sensor. Their quotes have already run the bill through the roof-- most are snookered on these prices because they don't know the real value/COST of parts. (how you think they got so B I G!)? --99.103.xxx.xxx
HVAC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 7:12 AM
myob, I imagine if those numbers are true, you could take a YUUUGE chunk of the market by charging 2000 instead of 2800 fr a 1000 job.
The invisible hand at work ... --12.47.xx.xxx
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 7:48 AM
David I have no reason to lie. You think those outrageous number are by chance bu these co's? Look into it you'll see. A 90,000 BTU furnace is 480.00 where does an HVAC co. come off charging 2800.00?
Most when questioned about pricing and outrageous amount say well I have to cover the warranty work. IN CASE. Really labor is 2300.00 cause if it's a defective part the part is supplied by the manufacturer at no charge-- labor is not covered. Even if it was 2300.00???
I'm here answering these types of things cause I know there's local LL's who need to save and need ideas to save. That's all. As BRAD say's in other cases -- ya gotta know your judges-- well you gotta know your real costs-- not fabricated ones. --99.103.xxx.xxx
HVAC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 7:53 AM
myob, then obviously you shouldn't be in the LL biz. You should be in the HVAC biz. Y would take a YUUUUGE share of the market by charging only 2000 for a 1000 job and beat those guys charging 2800 --12.47.xx.xxx
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 8:02 AM
David don't know what caused this attach on me like this from you?
Not so Obvious?
Jeffery please remove my post thanks. --99.103.xxx.xxx
HVAC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 8:04 AM
myob it's nothing personal. I'm just pointing out that if there was indeed such a profit margin, competitors would easily take advantage of it by lowering their prices. econ 101 --12.47.xx.xxx
HVAC (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 8:06 AM
My time is valuable. Had a plumber come in to replace a kitchen faucet, two handle. He came in took a look and came back four hours later after I sat there and waited. Told me it took four hours to find a two handled faucet. Yeah. I later saw the same thing at HOme Depot, in stock, a mile away. Charged me $400 for his "time". Next time, faucet will be waiting for him to arrive. --69.141.xxx.xxx
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 8:12 AM
What I'm trying to get across to you and others here, when it comes to HVAC work, the company's think they have us over a barrel. I know for a fact what I'm talking about. I'm asking you all to research it and see for yourselves.
It is personnel when you tell me to be an HVAC guy when I'm a LL since 1986.
Maybe I should be a car salesman since I drive cars? Just a mean statement from you. Uncalled for. --99.103.xxx.xxx
HVAC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 8:19 AM
myob, I didn't tell you "to be an HVAC guy." I told you to be "in the HVAC biz." As in own an HVAC company and keep the sweet sweet $1000 profit.
And if you want to talk about cars, car companies make a small profit on each car because of competition driving down prices. --12.47.xx.xxx
HVAC (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 8:26 AM
Hvac companies do have incredible mark up. Why? Most of the time they are installing and serving units for home owners who have no clue otherwise. Regular homeowners don't research things like we do.
Kind of like garages charging $350 to change your front breaks.
The brakes are $50-75. --174.201.xx.xxx
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 8:33 AM
David you missed the whole point of the post and are just looking for an arguement. --99.103.xxx.xxx
HVAC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 10:08 AM
"Most of the time they are installing and serving units for home owners who have no clue otherwise. "
To take advantage of the benefits of market forces, you don't need to know anything about HVAC. You simply need to get a few estimates, and any excess profit to be made would disappear by competitors looking to win business.
I got estimates for replacing HVAC system and they were all within a couple hundred bucks of each other. But once I saw a small quarter page ad in a local mailer that advertised about $1000 lower for a high eff furnace install. I was very intrigued so I called the number. He was indeed licensed and insured but the truth was his advertised price had a few caveats
- his definition of high eff was a few decades old, he considered 80% to be high eff, 90% to be super high eff, and 95% to be super duper high eff.
- The advertised price was for a drop in replacement. Sheetmetal work? Extra. Gas line adjustment? Extra. Venting adjustment? Extra. New line to tstat? Extra. The list goes on
Another example. For tree work, I called around for about 5 or 6 estimates. Turns out , the two lowest estimates, both insured, one guy used to work for the other. If HVAC was that profitable, the same thing would happen when a tech saw how much bank the owner was making. --12.47.xx.xxx
HVAC (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 10:11 AM
And HVAC has far lower capital startup requirements than tree work! --12.47.xx.xxx
HVAC (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 11:04 AM
Well, it sure is great advice to get familiar with the local HVAC Supply places. Plumbing, electrical too.
at least once a year I set aside Time to just wander slowly through one of these places, just to see what I can learn. Yeah, I'll still be paying the electrician, plumber, HVAC contractors, but, I always pick up a little knowledge. Maybe someday those guys won't have to speak so slowly and use simple words when explaining things to me, lol!
HVAC (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 12:10 PM
Yeah! David,stop picking on poor myob. I immigrated here in 1956. Couldn't see paying $100 a month in rent so I bough my first house the next year.never paid rent before. Next year got my Contractors License from the State. Just like Robert J,in California.Didn't make me any better at how to do things but did cost me. When I did something for someone,had to get my money back somehow......Life......myob,where better to sit, than on s nice warm stool where the crack was good or maybe the Air-conditioning going full blast ,if it was in the Summertime . And some poor soul needed something done,because they didn't know how themselves..way it is.............charlie..............Yeah! David,,,,bee good.........you too byob......................................... --174.199.xx.xxx
HVAC (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 12:13 PM
More important than finding a good discount parts supplier is finding a "great" HVAC contractor /installer /repair guy.
HVAC (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 12:27 PM
My daughter when younger,spent money like it was going out of style,she now lives in the Greater Boston Area and would squeeze a dollar unto poor George squeals.She also does everything on the Internet ,researches,gets prices. You name it...........charlie...................so there is a way............................she also has a couple of houses,not her priorities though...................................... --174.199.xx.xxx
HVAC (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 12:33 PM
Miss Ally, even $4.98 for me is too much.................Charlie........ --174.199.xx.xxx
HVAC (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 8:40 PM
HVAC guys charge because it often takes 50,000bux of stuff in a 45,000bux vehicle to make service calls, this is bad as health insurance trying to bleed a doctor down to 28bux and hour plus getting 18bux rebated, just turn up the tv set and you will be healthy soon... --76.188.xxx.xx
HVAC (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2018 9:05 PM
Vee,you mean turn OFF the bloody thing......................charlie............................
HVAC (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Apr 11, 2018 1:36 PM
I think myobs info could be very beneficial to a newb and even some experienced folks. Why hammer him for providing it? --174.234.xxx.xx
HVAC (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Apr 11, 2018 2:24 PM
MYOB is right. The installation mark-up is very high in order to cover "what if" warranty issues. My AC himself told me this. He worked a deal with me and beat other vendors by over $1000 but explained he'd have to charge me for labor if I had a warranty need (parts would be covered).
I remember getting multiple quotes for a basic straight cool unit install/replacement a year or so ago and they ranged from $3200-$3800. He did mine for $1800.
He just asked me to allow him to purchase the unit from his supplier rather than mail order it because he said it was better that way if I needed a warranty part. --75.89.xx.xxx
HVAC (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Apr 12, 2018 4:08 AM
#22 thank you - that's why I posted it. If a person doesn't have a clue they need insight. I wasn't trying to open up an HVAC business - just ducate some who may not know.
Lisa I think your unit may have been a heat pump-- so for those out there that don't know-- that includes the winter side and summer side unit as one. I think your inclusion of what you paid is typical for someone smart enough to check out pricing for themselves. ( I would still be sure the price doesn't creep up since you man is now picking it up)
By the way Lisa -- that line about warrenty part-- is B! --99.103.xxx.xxx