Stove Damage (by Randal Isaac [MA]) Mar 3, 2015 4:58 AM|
Stove Damage (by Stan [ON]) Mar 3, 2015 5:05 AM
Stove Damage (by Blue [IL]) Mar 3, 2015 5:09 AM
Stove Damage (by Nellie [ME]) Mar 3, 2015 5:22 AM
Stove Damage (by Randal [MA]) Mar 3, 2015 5:28 AM
Stove Damage (by Vee [OH]) Mar 3, 2015 5:32 AM
Stove Damage (by Nicole [PA]) Mar 3, 2015 5:49 AM
Stove Damage (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Mar 3, 2015 7:28 AM
Stove Damage (by dawn [NY]) Mar 3, 2015 8:21 AM
Stove Damage (by Dan [MA]) Mar 3, 2015 8:34 AM
Stove Damage (by colin [CO]) Mar 3, 2015 9:07 AM
Stove Damage (by Steve [MA]) Mar 3, 2015 10:07 AM
Stove Damage (by RentsDue [MA]) Mar 3, 2015 10:51 AM
Stove Damage (by Randal [MA]) Mar 3, 2015 11:31 AM
Stove Damage (by dawn [NY]) Mar 3, 2015 11:47 AM
Stove Damage (by Rangor [TN]) Mar 3, 2015 12:01 PM
Stove Damage (by Randal [MA]) Mar 3, 2015 1:47 PM
Stove Damage (by Vee [OH]) Mar 3, 2015 2:22 PM
Stove Damage (by Kelly [CO]) Mar 3, 2015 2:59 PM
Stove Damage (by cjo'h [CT]) Mar 3, 2015 4:49 PM
Stove Damage (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Mar 3, 2015 10:55 PM
Stove Damage (by Lisa [TX]) Oct 11, 2021 1:47 AM
Stove Damage (by plenty [MO]) Oct 11, 2021 8:23 AM
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Stove Damage (by Randal Isaac [MA]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 4:58 AM
We performed a complete renovation in both units including ALL brand new appliances in our 2 family property. The tenants who moved in after the renovation moved out after two years. Just to clarify, they were the first tenants after the renovation so everything was new.They did not leave the apartment cleaned as they promised and as the lease states is there responsibility. I even typed up an addendum to the lease being more specific of their cleaning responsibilities which they signed.They did not keep up with cleaning the electric stove top so now it cannot be cleaned to look as it did when they moved in which was brand new. They continued to cook with food remaining on the stovetop which caused irreparable damage and appearance. The stove does still function but it looks bad. Even after the cleaners, I spent a lot of time scrubbing with minimal success.We live in the same 2 family property and have a similar stove and oven. We cook daily but our stove top looks almost as it did when it was new so I feel their stove damage is due to their lack of care.Is it reasonable to charge them to replace the stove top which will be around $400. We already are charging them $150 for the cleaning which they aren't happy about but I shouldn't be responsible for deep cleaning just because they didn't want to.
Would love to hear the thoughts of fellow landlords as this is our first rental. Thank you. --209.6.xxx.xxx
Stove Damage (by Stan [ON]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 5:05 AM
If this is a glass topped stove then I believe that those tops can be replaced. Try calling an appliance repairman and get a quote. I have heard it can be expensive however. --173.206.xxx.xxx
Stove Damage (by Blue [IL]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 5:09 AM
Also do a quick search on here because I know this was discussed. --66.87.xx.xx
Stove Damage (by Nellie [ME]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 5:22 AM
Have you tried oven cleaner on the top? In that relatively recent discussion that was a suggested method. Put plastic over it to keep it moist while it does its thing.
I use a razor blade scraper and then clean with stove top cleaner.
This problem is one of the reasons I don't use this type of range. But perhaps your market demands it. --64.223.xxx.xx
Stove Damage (by Randal [MA]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 5:28 AM
Yes a new stove top is around $400.
I haven't tried oven cleaner wasn't sure if you could as it didn't say glass on the can.
I have used a glass stove top cleaner as well as baking soda and hydrogen peroxide and a razor blade but this seems to be burned into the glass now. I did search again and found additional information on cleaning which I will look into further.
The house had 220 plugs already in place for the stoves and the expense to change it to gas was higher than we wanted to pay. Thanks for the advice.
Stove Damage (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 5:32 AM
Photos will be your helper in court, hopefully you have a few hundred movein and just take ones that show the damages from moveout so the judge does not get overloaded with a encyclopedia of stuff to help you win your case. Your honor this damage - repair - cleaning was required to get the unit rent ready, here is a photo of that stovetop and oven mess, and one of the stains left on the living room floor, cig burns in the vanity countertop. --75.94.xxx.xxx
Stove Damage (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 5:49 AM
I would never have a stove like this because I don't want to deal with the care and upkeep. for that very same reason, I would NEVER put one in a rental unit. --72.70.xxx.xxx
Stove Damage (by Robert,Ontario,Can [ON]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 7:28 AM
For rental units it is not worth installing new appliances. In the rental buildings often buy used appliances on the internet sites or sometimes at the Habitat for Humanity restores. Usually pay around $100 to $150 dollars then replace every three to five years. The appliance is often ruined where the appliance is only good scrap metal. It very common here when people renovate kitchens they upgrade all white appliances to stainless steel. The appliances are kept up where sometimes the appliances will last five years. Here under $300 the appliance can be expensed out rather amortize over five years for new appliances when filling a return. --74.220.xxx.xxx
Stove Damage (by dawn [NY]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 8:21 AM
I hope you tood photos before you started cleaning. I would bill the departing tenant for a replacement once you are assured it can't be cleaned. It sounds like it was a nice apt. I have upscale apts and good tenants but I still get damages and I charge for them. --173.62.xx.xxx
Stove Damage (by Dan [MA]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 8:34 AM
In MA, you can't charge them for cleaning you did yourself. You can only charge them if you paid someone else to do the cleaning. --64.197.xx.xx
Stove Damage (by colin [CO]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 9:07 AM
Before you throw it out try this:
Make a paste of Baking Soda and water spread it over affected area and let it sit for an hour. Wipe off with a damp cloth then spritz any remaining stains with some vinegar and wipe. --73.181.xxx.xx
Stove Damage (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 10:07 AM
Did you accept a SD from them? If yes did you follow the STRICT MA SD laws including a statement of condition, escrow account, etc?
I would have no problem charging them for a new top if the existing one couldn't be properly cleaned. It should be very easy to show that it was brand new when they moved in. A judge might want you to depreciate the stove for the time it was used.
As far as "charging $150.00 for a cleaning", is this the amount that you paid someone to clean the unit? --96.237.xxx.xxx
Stove Damage (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 10:51 AM
ScotchBrite sells a kit with a scrubber and the cleaner that works pretty good. You won't be able to charge tenant for cleaning you did yourself, you can charge for the supplies. --107.77.xx.xxx
Stove Damage (by Randal [MA]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 11:31 AM
We took lots of photos after the renovation as well as before the unit was cleaned after they moved out. We hired professional cleaners did not clean ourselves.
We filled out a statement of condition saying everything was new when they moved in and they signed it. We also took a security deposit and per MA laws deposited it in a bank account, they earned 24 cents interest.
I have a friend saying we are being picky and this is par for the course but I disagree. Renting to someone doesn't give them the right to ruin your property and not pay for it.
I will try a few more things to make sure it absolutely can't be cleaned but they are paying the cleaning fee.
Thanks for all the feedback. --209.6.xxx.xxx
Stove Damage (by dawn [NY]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 11:47 AM
Re the interest on the security...in NY the ultimate tenant friendly state, we are allowed to charge 2% for the maintenance of the escrow account...meanin they owe you about 75cents on that part of the deal. --173.62.xx.xxx
Stove Damage (by Rangor [TN]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 12:01 PM
There is a special product for cleaning these stove tops. I can't remember the name (I remember where it is at my house but that doesn't really help you) but it is kind of like a brass polish - thick liquid that doesn't scratch the surface but does clean pretty well. I just scrub it in with a paper towel and then buff it out. I've been surprised at what it can get out. --166.137.xxx.xxx
Stove Damage (by Randal [MA]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 1:47 PM
I added photos of the stove in case anyone wants to see the damage I'm speaking of. I also uploaded photos of our stove which is the same age as the one in the rental and we cook daily.
Stove Damage (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 2:22 PM
Randall, have your friend go rent a car for 2 days, put a hairy dog in the second day and let him take it back, he should understand after he gets the cleaning, de-odorizing, flea treatment bills, but you never know he may have tenant mentality where wallet training just goes along... --75.94.xxx.xxx
Stove Damage (by Kelly [CO]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 2:59 PM
I too have tried all the cleaners and plenty of elbow grease on a glass top. I think after X uses without cleaning the food, there's just no getting it clean.
Ours at home still looks nice after eight years. --67.134.xxx.xx
Stove Damage (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 4:49 PM
I was thinking of putting glass tops in all the units. The regular burners are always filthy. When a tenant moves out, instead of trying to clean them ,I usually order a new one from Lowes, and let them cart off the filthy one. The stove usually works OK, just dirty dirty.I can't understand how anyone could let the stove get so dirty.When we moved to where we live, we installed a new Whirlpool Coppertone, that was in 1973. Was used by someone every day, it's still as new looking as when first put there.Very hard to comprehend. Charlie........................ --70.215.xx.xxx
Stove Damage (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2015 10:55 PM
Welcome to Landlording! This is all very normal. Don't let it get to you. And don't forget it as you screen and work with the next resident!
$150 cleaning sounds very low. Our basic housekeeping fee is $200 to clean the house plus carpet shampoo.
Glass top stoves are a no-no in rentals. Like my Mom siad to us 5 kids "That's why we can't have nice things in the house!"
I charge REPLACEMENT cost. I'd buy a new stove (non-glass) and let them have that damaged one AFTER they pay me.
Be strong and protect your business. Charge the TRUE COST of repairs and cleaning.
Stove Damage (by Lisa [TX]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2021 1:47 AM
I did the same, purchased a new ceramic top stove for my rental because the last one burnt up right after I moved my tenants out and they had absolutely ruined it, even though I gave instructions in the lease. I bought the new one right when the new tenant was moving in. She broke her lease after 3 months and when I did my walk through I noticed small chips in the paint on the stove top. I am wondering the same thing. Can I charge something for the damage even though it is minor? --96.8.xxx.xx
Stove Damage (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Oct 11, 2021 8:23 AM
Hi. Looked at your pictures. I'vee cleaned worst. Buy the kit. Buy the cleaner made of smooth top stoves and a razor blade . It all comes in a kit. With instructions. You'll have to do the steps a dozen times. It will work. I evaluate these things like this. Four hours of cleaning stove top at (call a company to get a quote for cleaning stove to new condition) vs the price to replace. Which ever withholds less from security deposit. In this case I would say cleaning it will be less even if you hired it out. Stop comparing it to your stove. These people never cleaned it. Did you leave cleaning instructions that came with the stove? I leave a bottle of the special cleaner, a razer blade scraper and I show them how to clean it. Spread the white paste on with a damp paper towel, look for youtube videos. Let the paste dry. Use the utility scraper to scrape off that residue from cooking. It's sitting in top of the glass. The foggy should "polish" clean too. Keep doing this, it will take a few applications maybe over a few days. But it will come clean. --172.58.xxx.xxx
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