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Cash only (by Gary [IL]) Jul 12, 2013 6:09 AM
       Cash only (by S i d [MO]) Jul 12, 2013 6:28 AM
       Cash only (by V [OH]) Jul 12, 2013 7:12 AM
       Cash only (by Baltimore LL [MD]) Jul 12, 2013 7:23 AM
       Cash only (by Txmike [TX]) Jul 12, 2013 7:30 AM
       Cash only (by BillS [CO]) Jul 12, 2013 8:05 AM
       Cash only (by Gruvin [TX]) Jul 12, 2013 8:08 AM
       Cash only (by Nicole [PA]) Jul 12, 2013 8:59 AM
       Cash only (by gevans [SC]) Jul 12, 2013 10:40 AM
       Cash only (by Mike45 [NV]) Jul 12, 2013 11:42 AM
       Cash only (by RB [MI]) Jul 12, 2013 12:02 PM
       Cash only (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Jul 12, 2013 12:11 PM
       Cash only (by Ken [NY]) Jul 12, 2013 1:46 PM
       Cash only (by K-Indy [IN]) Jul 12, 2013 2:22 PM
       Cash only (by cjo'h [CT]) Jul 12, 2013 6:37 PM
       Cash only (by Chris [CA]) Jul 13, 2013 6:32 PM

Cash only (by Gary [IL]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 6:09 AM

I just need a bit of advise. Have 20 rentals, am 63 and have bad knees. I have been using day labor on most of my small jobs, glazing windows, light elect, replacing water heater. The guy I use can't drive ( DUI ) he also wants paid in cash at the end of the day. I have to pick him up, most days I buy his lunch, and he rides with me from job to job. Some days we spend 1-2 hours drive time getting to site and supplys . Yesterday, after a 6 hour day, I gave him $50 bucks. He wanted more, at least $20, I told him I didn't have it on me, and left it at that. Now I ask you, should I pay him more? In Illinois, min wage is over $8 per hour.But I pay cash and he can't drive, do I owe him more?

Cash only (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 6:28 AM

Gary, it sounds like you and this guy have not discussed exactly what your expectations are from each other.

You need to sit down with him and have a candid discussion about what the deal is:


Gary: "Mr. All-Cash, what do you want to be paid hourly for day labor?"

Mr. All-Cash: "I want $10 an hour. Oh, but I don't have a truck and I can't pack a lunch since (fill in stupid reason...who cares)."

Gary: "So you want me to furnish transportation and 1 meal in addition to hourly wage?"

Mr. All-Cash: "Yes."

Gary: "Okay, I'll provide transportation and lunch, but I can only afford to pay you $8.50 an hour if we do that."

Mr. All-Cash: "Weeeellll, I dunno."

Gary: "Ok, you work hard, are on-time and dependable, and you're never hung-over or stoned like a lot of these other guys. How about we make it $9 an hour, and you also get paid for travel time to and from the job site?"

Mr. All-Cash: "Deal." (handshake)

That's the end of the discussion.

The problem with this situation is you guys haven't sat down and discussed expectations yet. Time to get it done. If he's good, I'd tell him that this one time I'll pay the extra $20, but after that we stick with the deal we just discussed. We can even write it down on a piece of paper and sign/date it so everyone "remembers" a month from now exactly what the deal is.

Cash only (by V [OH]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 7:12 AM

When I was a day labor in college I never got on the clock till I was onsite, but if he carries supplies you do not have the freedom I had to sleep or study while traveling to the supply house or while they went to drink lunch at those noisy places.

Cash only (by Baltimore LL [MD]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 7:23 AM

To be honest, it sounds like you're getting a real bargain on the work. He did repair work for you all day and you're worrying about $20? If I were you, I'd gladly pay all of it. You have the best of both worlds, someone who is able to do the work and you can check to make sure you approve and someone who will do this for such a low rate of pay.

Cash only (by Txmike [TX]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 7:30 AM

First of all, I hardly ever hire help. But, if I did, and I picked them up, I would start the clock when they get in my vehicle. At that point he was under your control, not his own. Give him the 20, talk about expections about future jobs. Let him know no that the clock will not start until arrival at the job site. Perhaps he would rather not work for you at that point.

Cash only (by BillS [CO]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 8:05 AM

Gary, It's likely that he needed $70 that day. Sometimes these folks don't really make the connection with what they do and what they are paid. They have an amount they "need" and that's what they want for their work. Don't take it personal.

Like the others said, have a discussion with him.

Cash only (by Gruvin [TX]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 8:08 AM

I pay from the time they arrive at the job site or the first stop like the hardware store, Prior to that it was commuting.

Even if you pay them cash daily, remember to get a signed receipt for the cash and send them a 1099 at the end of the year. It is hard to hide these payments from the IRS( I don't condone hiding money from or failing to pay your taxes) and still use the work as expenses on tax return. --99.126.xx.xx

Cash only (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 8:59 AM

if I had someone dependable and able to do a good job, I'd also kiss them for $8.50 an hour. Really, you are basing someone with a skill set on minimum wage? that's for kids working in the grocery store or fast food. I pay 3x that amount for mediocre work. --72.95.xx.xx

Cash only (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 10:40 AM

I used to have a wino that would come to my rehab every day and ask for a job. He didn't want a big job, just one that would pay around $10. Enough to buy a bottle and a pack of smokes.

I always tried to find him a job. He and the neighbors appreciated that. --141.129.x.xx

Cash only (by Mike45 [NV]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 11:42 AM

Gary, I have one worker in my crew who does not drive. Because of this, he misses out of some of the work. I am not the chauffer, and unless one of the other workers can drive him or he can take a bus, he doesn't work.


Cash only (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 12:02 PM

Find yourself a real man. This one is not there, yet.

Cash only (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 12:11 PM

Gary, You sound like a nice guy.

But this is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

When the IRS and STATE catch up with his non-payment of taxes, he will quickly admit you paid him cash.

Their next visit is to YOUR door because YOU have money and real estate to attach tax liens, fines...

Cash only (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 1:46 PM

Find a guy with a truck who can get there on his own,guys who can't drive create drama.

Cash only (by K-Indy [IN]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 2:22 PM

What Sid said. I use a lot of cash labor. Usually pay about $10 per hour or an agreed price per job.

Cash only (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Jul 12, 2013 6:37 PM

Gary,Sorry about your knees,I have the same problem and know how hard it is to get around but you are only a mere child in relation to me,wait until you get to be my age.There must be some thing out there (holistic meds)that we can take.We'll just have to keep looking.If you find something let me know.I don't like the idea of carrying cash around and paying each day.The word will get around and someone will whack you over the head.Ba-Boom.I also would replace some of those windows that you have to re-glaze,with insulated ones.The power Company in my area will replace a water heater,when the old one goes and charge the tenant a monthly rental fee.Make's it much easier for the l landlord.Them you won't have to chauffeur someone around ,like you do .Like V(OH) said,Start the clock when you get to the jobsite.It's costing you a lot more than you think.Good luck.Charlie.... --70.215.x.xx

Cash only (by Chris [CA]) Posted on: Jul 13, 2013 6:32 PM

What about a "trial separation"? He will soon find out how many other employers act as chauffeurs and pay his lunch. He has a sweet deal with you and NO WORK once you hire a guy with his own transport @ $ 15 or whatever. Saving both time and aggravation. And your driving & the need to "babysit" would make paying an experienced guy $ 25 a great alternative IMHO.

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