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Rebel Flag (by outdoorben [CA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:04 PM
We have a 4-unit building in a very racially/culturally mixed neighborhood. One of my tenants has put up a huge rebel/confederate flag on the wall that can be seen from th e huge apartment building across the street. It is ruffling feathers, to say the least.
I'm a big fan of freedom of expression, but I'm also realistic enough to know that there's the very real possibility that someone with a temper may decide to "set him straight" or take it out on my building. It's not a high crime area, it does see it's share, especially graffiti, which happens once every 6 months or so.
I'd love some feedback as to what to do, not do, or any legal issues I should worry about. If I do nothing, am I liable if a confrontation occurs? If I do something, can I get sued for violation of free speech?
Ah, the joys of being a landlord...
Rebel Flag (by BJS [CA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:06 PM
Don't get involved. --71.132.xxx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:09 PM
I would ask as a personal favor to place the flag in a different area that can't be viewed from the street. If he says no, at least you tried. If he moves it, then thank him. --98.119.xxx.xx
Rebel Flag (by outdoorben [CA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:09 PM
That's what I was thinking, but one other thing to factor is is it's making it a LOT harder to rent my other vacant unit and my other tenants are worried that they or their cars will be targets (i.e. they complained, I did not bring it up to them...). --68.105.xx.xx
Rebel Flag (by outdoorben [CA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:14 PM
I like the personal favor approach -- kind of side-steps the issue... --68.105.xx.xx
Rebel Flag (by Wallace CPM [VA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:19 PM
Not on public property * do not get involved. --64.12.xxx.xx
Rebel Flag (by Reid [KS]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:21 PM
Get over it . From Kansas through Oklahoma and Texas they are everywhere. When I lived in Alabama people stood up for The national Anthem and Dixie. Though I'm from "The Free State" of Kansas and I have ancestors that were imprisoned at Andersonville by the confederates I'd rather see the Stars and Bars that red green and white rag from mexico flying over American soil. --70.250.xxx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by Steve [TX]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:26 PM
Ask for a favor. If he is a racist, the problem will be dealt with by the neighbors. They will either move, or make his life hell.
One Question, most confederate flag waivers, have them on their cars. Did He? --99.39.xxx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by ManateeAlley [FL]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:34 PM
Originally, there was the Confederate "Stars And Bars", but it was often confused on the battlefield with the Union "Stars And Stripes" . Later the Confederate "Battle Flag" was adopted, which is the X shaped star pattern on a red background,paraded around today and often mistakenly referred to as the "Stars And Bars". Suggest he switch flags to the original Confederate Flag which most people wouldn't recognize it if it was set before them as a place mat. Buy him one at carrot-top.com and KEEP your tenant, while diffusing a sensitive neighborhood issue... --66.176.xxx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by outdoorben [CA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:35 PM
No flag on his car.
I cannot afford to have my tenants move. It's hard enough having one unit vacant at this time. I'm opting for the personal favor approach and will let you know how it goes.
And, I'm really hoping this converstation stays in the realm of the best business decision... Thank you. --68.105.xx.xx
Rebel Flag (by Martin [MO]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 4:48 PM
The flag is inside his apartment? Have a little chat w the tenant. Is it worth a brick through his window by some idiot in the neighborhood?
If it is outside, then your lease should prohibit flags, signs, etc on exterior surfaces. --70.246.xx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 5:01 PM
They are a big issue here in SC. I really dislike that flag and I'm white plus southern born and bred.
There is a guy one door down from two of my best units who just installed a flagpole in the front yard and is flying... the Confederate battle flag. Great. --216.218.xx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by Rose [CA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 7:03 PM
In a racially mixed area putting up that flag is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. And that is why he did it just to start trouble.
Maybe he will ruffle some fleathers of someone who will take care of the matter for you?
I really doubt saying something to a person that put up that flag and display it so people can see it would do much good. --184.12.xxx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by K [MN]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 8:46 PM
Do not renew his lease if you do not want his tenancy. --24.159.xxx.xx
Rebel Flag (by newbie landlord [WA]) Posted on: Jun 7, 2010 10:33 PM
Ive never had to enforce this clause, and Im not sure if it is legal in your area but here it is.
"Tenant agress Not keep anything deemed by the landlord/agent as offensive or objectionable material to be viewed anywhere on the property"
It could bluff them to remove it.
If not, I would get rid of this tenant QUIKLY!! Letting something like that hang is just asking for trouble and not proactive. --64.40.xx.x
Rebel Flag (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2010 5:41 AM
It's none of your business but if you have actually heard something I would tell the tenant that he/she needs window coverings as you are getting complaints.
The people looking in the window are called peeping toms and they are at fault.
I see how this person is trying to make a public comment but you have to work around it for the first reason I mentioned.
Also supply blinds to other tenants on that side. Say you want the building to look more "uniform". --76.99.xxx.xx
Rebel Flag (by allin [VA]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2010 5:56 AM
Don't renew his lease. I don't own multi's but do you have a clause of quite enjoyment? Could that be used to get rid of him? i.e. quite enjoyment of the other tenants. --198.119.xxx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by outdoorben [CA]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2010 5:59 AM
Problem solved (at least a promise to move it was given).
Ironically, there was shooting not too far from our unit a couple of nights ago (first time that's ever happened in 8 years, thank goodness). I used the "favor" approach along with saying that I'm very concerned about their safety if someone should take offense, especially in light of the recent shooting. I told them that I obviously did not think they were racist (which I believe, I think they just lack good judgement), that it was just symbol of Southern pride, but others may take it very, very differently.
They agreed and said they would move it to another part of their unit.
BTW, we do have window coverings all around. But, you didn't have to be anythig clost to a peeping tom to see it -- you couldn't miss it, even from across the street, when the blinds were open. --68.105.xx.xx
Rebel Flag (by outdoorben [CA]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2010 6:00 AM
On a side note, the jury is still out on renewing their month-to-month lease. I need to fill the other vacant apartment first and see how everything plays out before making a final decision. --68.105.xx.xx
Rebel Flag (by Gloria [TN]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2010 10:54 AM
Glad you worked it out, I was not expecting that. There is only one reason to hang them around here and that is to let black people know they are not welcome. Anytime I see one it is usually on a lower class trashy looking home where uneducated people live. --208.252.xxx.xx
Rebel Flag (by Echo [GA]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2010 11:55 AM
The Sons of the Confederancy are hot and heavy here and alot of homes that fly them in our area are not uneducated and low class. Not to mention the bumper stickers , car tags, etc....But I would think flying the flag anywhere other than the south could cause a big problem. Glad it worked out for you.
Oh And I stand for Dixie. --98.94.x.xx
Rebel Flag (by SDlandlord [CA]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2010 4:18 PM
The flag of the United States represents the side that won in the conflict known as the Civil War (war of Northern Aggression to some). That means the rebel flag represents the side that _ _ _ _ (fill in the blank). --76.217.xxx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by Josh [CA]) Posted on: Jun 8, 2010 6:28 PM
I've had posters in windows facing the street that caused some comments from neighbors around my 10 unit. I had a chat with the tenant nothing written no notices. Just a chat.
Started off with something like this.
Hi ___ do you have a couple of minutes to chat? Won't take long.
(I make a comment on something in his apt a hobby of his a book he is reading to make the tone friendly and personable.)
What I wanted to talk to you about was the poster in your bedroom window. I was out front trimming things up and a neighbor came over to chat with me. They made a comment about your poster.
Since your bedroom window is the only one that faces the street it sends a message that our entire building stands behind that posters message. I happen to agree with the message. But that isn't the point.
Would you please do me and our building a favor and move your poster some where else in your apt?
Moved it right then and there and I helped him put it in a new place.
Positive communication skills are very
important in any business.
Rebel Flag (by Kit [TX]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2010 4:07 AM
I don't understand why the confederate flag is so offensive; my history teachers taught that the civil war was less about slavery than about states' rights, so I don't personally see the flag as a racial statement.
I once rented in an apartment complex whose lease required that all tenants have window coverings with white linings. Nobody had them and they didn't enforce it, until somebody started overexposing himself to the neighborhood. I didn't even realize the rule until I heard from neighbors that they decided to selectively enforce it on him.
This issue raises some questions for me though...what if somebody hung up a gay pride flag in their home and it was ticking off the neighborhood; would people find it just as acceptable to try to modify the tenant's behavior?
Personally, I would leave the flag alone. If I was really concerned about the message it sent, I'd try to counter the message with one of my own, like maybe an election sign for a candidate supported by the community. --99.174.xxx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by marvin baker [VA]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2010 1:17 PM
The civil war was about tarrifs put on imports and exports in southern states by the govt, these tarrifs were excessive, originally, the civil war had nothing to do with slavery, it was not until Abe could use it to his advantege politically that it became an issue. It was more about states rights and the govt was not treating southern states (which produced more exports)ie, cotton tobacco, fairly, imposing outrageous tarrifs. --70.179.xx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by outdoorben [CA]) Posted on: Jun 10, 2010 1:35 PM
Well, I was hoping to keep this to the best business decision, but feel free to have a lively discussion.
Thank you to all who responded. --68.105.xx.xx
Rebel Flag (by David [TX]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2021 9:34 PM
The civil war was about slavery! That is all! --174.246.xxx.xx
Rebel Flag (by Paulio [PA]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2021 10:34 PM
Recently, within the past few years, activists have projected meanings onto the confederate flag that didnít previously exist. Just yesterday a NY Times editor attempted to do the same with the U.S. flag saying that it stands for whiteness. People are really out of control with this nonsense. Some just reallllly need to play the victim all day every day. --50.107.xxx.xxx
Rebel Flag (by Small potatoes [NY]) Posted on: Jun 9, 2021 11:04 PM
At a bare minimum the flag has been coopted by the kkk and white supremacists in the modern era, making it a distinct symbol of opression. Now if you are a good ol boy who honestly flies if in memorium, then you should be wise enough to see the modern racist context it presents.
I will add as a northener that when I see folks here flying the enemy flag I can't help but think gow ignorant they are. --172.58.xx.xxx
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