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Horse on Airplane (by Alan [CA]) Sep 3, 2019 12:22 PM
       (by myob [GA]) Sep 3, 2019 12:24 PM
       (by NE [PA]) Sep 3, 2019 12:59 PM
       (by RB [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 1:25 PM
       (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 1:58 PM
       (by S i d [MO]) Sep 3, 2019 1:58 PM
       (by NE [PA]) Sep 3, 2019 2:41 PM
       (by Ken [NY]) Sep 3, 2019 2:51 PM
       (by JKJ [MA]) Sep 3, 2019 3:47 PM
       (by Still Learning [NH]) Sep 3, 2019 4:12 PM
       (by NE [PA]) Sep 3, 2019 5:00 PM
       (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 5:13 PM
       (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 5:15 PM
       (by NE [PA]) Sep 3, 2019 5:19 PM
       (by Ken [NY]) Sep 3, 2019 5:20 PM
       (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Sep 3, 2019 5:31 PM
       (by JKJ [MA]) Sep 3, 2019 5:34 PM
       (by livethedream [AZ]) Sep 3, 2019 6:31 PM
       (by plenty [MO]) Sep 3, 2019 6:55 PM
       (by LL [TX]) Sep 3, 2019 6:59 PM
       (by Nellie [ME]) Sep 3, 2019 8:09 PM
       (by JKJ [MA]) Sep 3, 2019 8:42 PM
       (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 9:10 PM
       (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 9:15 PM
       (by AllyM [NJ]) Sep 3, 2019 9:29 PM
       (by cjo’h [CT]) Sep 3, 2019 10:21 PM
       (by cjo’ [CT]) Sep 3, 2019 10:26 PM
       (by RB [MI]) Sep 4, 2019 10:39 AM
       (by Wilma [PA]) Sep 5, 2019 3:10 PM
       (by 6x6 [TN]) Sep 5, 2019 9:45 PM

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Horse on Airplane (by Alan [CA]) Sep 3, 2019 12:22 PM
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Saw on the news there was a miniature horse on an American Airlines flight. It was classified as a Service Animal - named "Flirty". Pictures showed it in the passenger section.

Would you rent to FLIRTY?

--71.198.xxx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by myob [GA]) Sep 3, 2019 12:24 PM
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why is it on most flights the person next to me is horse looking/size? --99.103.xxx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by NE [PA]) Sep 3, 2019 12:59 PM
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No, i wouldnt rent to FLIRTY. --50.107.xxx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by RB [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 1:25 PM
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Mom, that Horse keeps look'n at me. --184.53.x.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 1:58 PM
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That's very interesting! I always wondered how airlines were getting around the law by basically saying "dogs only" when miniature horses are clearly allowed as Service Animals.

I guess they didn't follow their "dogs only" "rule" and instead followed the law.

This is good for us. These sorts of crazy things will hopefully make more people go "Seriously? You have to allow a HORSE??" (Because, yes, as landlords, we have to accept a horse if the person otherwise qualifies.)

On a side note, NE flat out stating that he wouldn't rent to a Service Animal horse violates federal law. But, hey, who cares? heh. :)

- John...

--24.120.xx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by S i d [MO]) Sep 3, 2019 1:58 PM
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I will be interested to see what happens the first time someone with an ESA mini-horse gets on a flight only to find someone with a hungry-looking ESA alligator is already on board. --107.216.xxx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by NE [PA]) Sep 3, 2019 2:41 PM
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John, we have to draw the line somewhere. --174.201.xx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by Ken [NY]) Sep 3, 2019 2:51 PM
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What happens when someone wants to move in with a service horse into a city with an ordinance against livestock in the city? --72.231.xxx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by JKJ [MA]) Sep 3, 2019 3:47 PM
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I saw a Muslim woman on TV that had a service horse, she was blind, and got a horse over a dog due to her religious beliefs (apparently Muslims view dogs as ritually impure) but........my understanding was the horse spends its time at home “not working” in its stable or paddock. So all LL’s (other than those that are exempt) must allow a paddock and stable on their property? Then there’s the manure and it’s bedding, where’s that go? My question is wouldn’t a mini horse fall under the undue hardship exemption? I mean I realize some SFH’s can accommodate a stable and paddock, but not all, and most apartment buildings I would say cannot accommodate such facilities. Personally I am a exempt LL, but I’m just curious. John, you seem to be extremely knowledgeable regarding this topic, could you possibly explain this to me? Thanks. --174.192.xx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by Still Learning [NH]) Sep 3, 2019 4:12 PM
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I understand they are a service animal and the airlines/apartments/restaurants need to accommodate, but exactly how does a miniature horse fit inside the foot space of an airline? --107.77.xxx.x




Horse on Airplane (by NE [PA]) Sep 3, 2019 5:00 PM
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JKJ, take John's ESA knowledge with a grain of salt. Although it's vast, most of it will never come to fruition. He's the Moshe of service animals. --50.107.xxx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 5:13 PM
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NE: While I agree with you in theory, I'm not going to be the guinea pig landlord that goes to federal court over "drawing a line" that violates current federal law. Someone else can fight that one for me. If it is you, then more power to you! I have better things to do with my time and money...

Ken: My GUESS is that the federal law would trump the local law and a Service Animal would not be classified as "livestock" in that situation. But, I'd like to see it too! :)

JKJ: It is a tricky situation. Horses as SAs are rare, but they do exist and are legit. My understanding would be that the application would need to cover all costs of any renovations/stable/whatever needed -- and the property would need to support it. So, yes, I think a hardship situation would apply in many multi-family and other properties.

- John... --24.120.xx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 5:15 PM
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NE: My advice is just telling people what the law says because so many here seem to "forget" it regularly.

I don't know what you mean by "most of it will never come to fruition." It's already law. It exists and has already come to fruition. It's not like I'm predicting some weird possible future or something.

- John...

--24.120.xx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by NE [PA]) Sep 3, 2019 5:19 PM
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Law or not, It'll never come to fruition means that if we play our cards right, we'll never have to deal with the nonsense.

Work arounds John, work arounds.

--50.107.xxx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by Ken [NY]) Sep 3, 2019 5:20 PM
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Still Learning, I was watching a vet show that my wife and I like and they had a service horse,pony whatever that weighed 170 pounds,we started laughing because we have an 180 pound ST Bernard so if my dog could fit on the airplane I guess that horse could.Not that I agree with any of it to be clear. --72.231.xxx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Sep 3, 2019 5:31 PM
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I guess we're stuck with them until a service animal kills someone on the plane. If the horse didn't take to flight, imagine the damage it could do kicking and bucking. It could even kick out a window and depressurize the cabin.

Guessing that's what it will take. --108.69.xxx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by JKJ [MA]) Sep 3, 2019 5:34 PM
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Thanks John, that was my understanding as well, but I’ve wrong before so I figured I’d ask. NE, I know what your saying. --72.93.xxx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by livethedream [AZ]) Sep 3, 2019 6:31 PM
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I'm gonna start bringing my pet, err I mean emotional support rattlesnake on my next flight.

I really miss not having my own plane. Used to be we could just park the car, unlock the plane, toss our guns and dogs in the back seat and go where where we wanted without asking or being groped by TSA. --107.77.xxx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by plenty [MO]) Sep 3, 2019 6:55 PM
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Get a buggy. Get a whip and get goin to your destination! --99.203.xx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by LL [TX]) Sep 3, 2019 6:59 PM
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I was watching Fox and Friends this weekend. They covered this story. The female anchored asked the male anchor Pete (former military) if he would like to have a comfort horse. He replied, "No. I have my comfort gun." --76.183.xxx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by Nellie [ME]) Sep 3, 2019 8:09 PM
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How do they fit? And what about the pooping and peeing? It’s not like horses are trained to wait until they go outside. Or are they? I just don’t see the logistics. And what does a horse do for a person, anyway? --71.168.xx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by JKJ [MA]) Sep 3, 2019 8:42 PM
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Nellie, the show I saw on TV regarding the mini horse SA was a seeing eye horse. This horse was trained to “alert” when it had to “go”. The owner then had to get a bag under its a$$ before it “went”. That’s the only 1 I’ve really seen, but if they are all like that it must be a treat on the plane when the 300 pound horse “alerts” then the owner tosses the bag under the seat for the rest of the flight. I spent a lot of time around horses, they s**t a lot, between 10 to 12 times a day vs. a dog s**ting 1 to 3 times a day. So chances are it’s gonna s**t on a 2 or 3 hour flight. --72.93.xxx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 9:10 PM
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Ken: The horse that we're referring to here actually weighs only 135 pounds! Quite a bit smaller than your dog! :) I think a lot of people are making assumptions about how big it is. Sure, 135 pounds is big -- but this is a TINY horse. :)

Landlord of the Flies: There are people much stronger than this horse. If the horse could depressurize the plane (which I have my doubts about), then a dangerous human could too.

Nellie: This horse is not an Emotional Support Animal or a "Comfort" Animal. It is a Service Animal trained to perform tasks. The owner says that it doesn't poop in "public" most of the time. As for where, it fits in front of the first row by the bulkhead -- or between the 1st class and economy seats for planes that do a 1st Class section. As for what it does, this one helps her balance when walking (which a dog probably couldn't do) as well as some other more minor things (IMO).

For those asking WHY a horse instead of a dog -- the main benefit is that horses live 3-4 times as long as a dog, so they can be trained and used for half a person's lifetime. For dogs, they (unfortunately) do not live nearly as long -- and you therefore need to train new ones each time.

- John...

--24.120.xx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by John... [MI]) Sep 3, 2019 9:15 PM
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Also, before I get accused of siding too much with the wrong side of things... I want to say that, personally, I think miniature horses being Service Animals is still a stretch. I'm not convinced that they can really be trained to "perform a task" in a way that I think should qualify as a "Service Animal."

This horse, for example, has the following "tasks" that it is "trained" for: 1. Help her balance when walking (maybe she needs a cane??); 2. Remind her to take her meds (um, it's called a watch -- and you can get a Smart one with an app that will tell you exactly what to take and when!); 3. "helps with her anxiety" (a very vague way to put what is really an Emotional Support Animal thing).

So, I personally think that this may be a bunch of horse-crap. It looks like an ESA to me that she has managed to elevate to "Service Animal" under a stretch.

But, again, that's the federal law. It specifically includes miniature horses under the ADA (and therefore under the laws that apply to airlines and landlords). I think this was a screw-up from the start, but it's still the law. :(

- John...

--24.120.xx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by AllyM [NJ]) Sep 3, 2019 9:29 PM
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JKJ I now understand why the miniature horse is still included as a service animal. Anyone who has seen a horse pee and poo knows that it is the UNCLEAN animal. So this is all about religion. What other demands will be given in to?

--173.61.xxx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by cjo’h [CT]) Sep 3, 2019 10:21 PM
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On the farm back in Northern Ireland ,we had two horses,one was 17 hands high,a minature horse would have been an interesting novelty,we probably charged a fee to view it,...............Charlie............ --32.214.xxx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by cjo’ [CT]) Sep 3, 2019 10:26 PM
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Wouldn’t be much good for ploughing?............Charlie......... --32.214.xxx.xx




Horse on Airplane (by RB [MI]) Sep 4, 2019 10:39 AM
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Mom, that Horse is still looking at me. --184.53.x.xx




Horse on Airplane (by Wilma [PA]) Sep 5, 2019 3:10 PM
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A few years back,a town in the next county had to deal with one of the first "Seeing Eye" miniature horses. They determined that the owner could keep it in the small suburban back yard, as long as they fenced it, and keep the droppings cleaned up. A few months later, the owner tried to convince the town that the miniature horse needed a companion - another miniature horse - as they are herd animals. (Right, so what would the companion mini horse do while the other one was working? Would the owner then need three total?)

Fortunately for the neighbors, the town successfully nixed the equine ESA!

Full disclosure - I am all for the idea of the mini horse as a guide animal for the blind. They are very smart, and live a good long life. And I've had horses myself - they ARE herd animals, and seem to need a buddy. BUT - buddies come in many forms that are acceptable to horses, including cats, chickens, dogs, goats - and humans. --100.19.xx.xxx




Horse on Airplane (by 6x6 [TN]) Sep 5, 2019 9:45 PM
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Alan, to answer your question, YES. I would rent the farm to Flirty's owner and they could use the barn and all, for a small fee of coarse.

Ken, I love ST Bernards

JKJ, Why are you an exempt LL? Do you own less then three properties? --73.120.xx.xxx



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