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4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by DJ [VA]) Apr 16, 2019 12:46 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by S i d [MO]) Apr 16, 2019 1:00 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by Fishsticks [IA]) Apr 16, 2019 1:48 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by S i d [MO]) Apr 16, 2019 2:11 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by David [MI]) Apr 16, 2019 2:15 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by 6x6 [TN]) Apr 16, 2019 3:25 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by GKARL [PA]) Apr 16, 2019 4:17 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by GKARL [PA]) Apr 16, 2019 4:49 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by RR78 [VA]) Apr 16, 2019 5:13 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by melinda [MD]) Apr 16, 2019 7:10 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by MikeA [TX]) Apr 16, 2019 7:23 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by Dee [AZ]) Apr 16, 2019 11:11 PM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by GKARL [PA]) Apr 17, 2019 2:51 AM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Apr 17, 2019 3:39 AM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by DJ [VA]) Apr 17, 2019 8:56 AM
       4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Apr 17, 2019 9:02 PM


4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 12:46 PM
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I just learned of a new law in VA, and my city is one of the "lucky: pilot program cities. Legislators want to give tenants 4 months to pay their overdue rent, on a payment program, before you can file for eviction.

The person interviewed said her income decreased - how was I going to survive? Apparently, the answer is: Steal from your Landlord - let them figure out how to survive. Check it out: www.wavy.com/news/virginia/va-lawmakers-try-to-cut-down-on-evictions-create-pilot-program/1928769439

--68.10.xxx.x




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 1:00 PM
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while I agree it's a load of crap, it doesn't sound completely devastating to land lords who themselves aren't on the fringe. Per the article...

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"Tenants will have a four-month period to pay back the rent they owe, either paid to the courts or landlord directly. They have to make every court appearance and also explain to a judge, on the record, why they couldn’t pay up in the first place.

“They explain why they aren’t able to pay their rent, but they do have the capacity going forward to pay that rent,” she said, meaning they need a source of income and can afford to live where they are."

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If VA truly wants to help and not do so solely at the LL's expense, have the tenant post a bond of an amount to equal the entire rent past due, all late fees, and court costs along with a 15% premium to cover the extra costs and hassle the LL must endure, so that if they fail to make even 1 appearance or payment, they get immediately evicted (24 hours...gone) AND the land lord receives every penny owed for being so nice as to "participate" in this program.

The article made it sound like LLs were too quick to pull the trigger....I wonder why that is? Maybe we've been down this road before and know that "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday..." rarely works out for the best. --173.20.xxx.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by Fishsticks [IA]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 1:48 PM
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If they are a few months behind... what makes someone believe that they will be able to pay their current rent as well as make payments on the back rent?

I agree with Sid on the bond..... --98.22.x.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 2:11 PM
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Fishsticks...

While reading the article, the proponents gave the example of a one time medical bill or a flat tire.

Now you and I both know that's B.S. First off, medical providers frequently make payment arrangements as long as they're receiving a reasonable amount...and a flat tire costs...$70 for a new tire? Maybe $200 if you're driving a mega-SUV or pick 'em up truck? Not a life-ending amount, and certainly something you could come up with to avoid losing your home. But for the sake of argument...

The idea is this "one time" event is the ONLY thing, and were it not for that event these are good renters who would never miss a payment. Well...whatever. My guess is they will try the pilot and it will help some, but most will still be evicted.

Also, it is likely that VA land lords will be much QUICKER to pull the trigger now, because the 4 month delay means they have a potentially larger loss. Late 3 days? Nope, we're not waiting...let the judge give you the time.

A history of eviction filings will be almost as damaging as an eviction itself, especially to FUTURE land lord who will be even less likely to "give someone a chance" how that this chance involves up to 4 months of drama.

As usual, lawmakers intending to "help" fail to think thru the unintended consequences of meddling with the free market & our legal system. --173.20.xxx.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by David [MI]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 2:15 PM
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wages are paid in arrears .... mortgages are paid in arrears ... rent is paid in advance.

The person that came up with that exception is a freakin genius --50.4.xxx.x




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 3:25 PM
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Let the proponents pay up. --73.120.xx.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 4:17 PM
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Incredible absolutely incredible. Here in my area, eviction prevention involves giving emergency funds to pay the rent arrears not LL's financing them for four months. At some point, they're going to block LL's even from finding out about past evictions to prevent the hammer coming down with far tighter screening.

I'm looking at the top 100 cities for evictions and the rates are high. It might be interesting to see what's actually behind it. My area has an eviction rate under 3% in comparison, Richmond Virginia's rate is nearly 4 times that at 11.44%. That would be a hard place for me to consider investing in even if they were no pilot programs. Based on those numbers, there is a crisis for both tenants and LL's. It a twisted sort of way, an argument could be made that this helps LL's given the high eviction rates.

I think these tenants would be hard pressed to get someone to write a bond for them though at a reasonable cost. --209.122.xx.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 4:49 PM
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I'm just reading up on why VA seems to have this high of a rate and there's speculation about this being driven by high housing prices and lack of income. I looked up NJ which definitely has the same phenomenon and the city of Newark has an eviction rate of .05%. NJ is a very tenant friendly state but a rate that low is amazing. I'm 70 miles away from there in PA and our rate is a hair under 3% or 60 times the rate in Newark. PA is known to be LL friendly and that accounts for at least some of the difference. --209.122.xx.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by RR78 [VA]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 5:13 PM
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And it looks like giving over 2 million more to legal aid to help the tenants.

Why not give the 2 mil to a fund to help tenants pay rent.

Main concern with the 4 months is how a tenant friendly Judge will apply the law.

Does say they cant have been late more than 2 times in 6 months or 3 times in past year.

Think I may change my lease a little. So it is very clear the rent is considered late after the 1 st but a late fee is not charged until after the 5th.

A lot of ours still pay on the 5th. In their minds it is not late until they are charged the fee.

So let them continue to do so and at least I will have a strong argument that the laws does not apply.

Never enters anyone's minds that some tenants feel more entitled and are more irresponsible. And the problem is not the LL. --73.152.xx.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 7:10 PM
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Just was in rent court today. A former tenant and her unbelievable new boyfriend did not understand why they were in court. Rent was due on the 1st. This is the 16th. Landlord gave them an extra month past their lease to find a new place (which they did !) Now they only pay $500 in rent and cannot understand why the landlord has taken them to court. What is there to understand?? Did he think that the owner was Giving them the extra month. The judge did try her best to explain the situation. Bet that they are evicted just as they were with us. --24.233.xxx.xx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 7:23 PM
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Why focus on the rent payment, that should only be 1/3 or less of their income. Maybe they could defer their car payment, cell phone, Amazon bill, or restaurant bills so they can pay their rent. That would be more effective long term in lowering the eviction rate as the non-essential expenses go away as they can't catch up.

Maybe you should offer an alternate pilot program. Anyone who can not prove they have $X in emergency funds will have $50 per month withheld and administered by the court as an emergency cash reserve for their emergency needs. Years ago an emergency fund used to be a social expectation, not so much anymore. But then society can't stand the repercussions of individuals not maintaining one so lets fix the problem. --50.26.xx.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by Dee [AZ]) Posted on: Apr 16, 2019 11:11 PM
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I wonder if the landlord actually got a complete application with job history, income and outstanding loans, length of employment and how often they move, eviction history etc., rental references two rentals back because a current landlord has reason to lie (check addresses to verify from SS # check). Or hire a RE agency to find our tenants so you screen out the dead beats. I wind up with good paying tenants every month like clock work (direct deposits) and they don't trash the place either. Cost me a few bucks but man o man, I have peace. I have a vacation 55+ rentals and although they are clean and pay, they are a big pain in tae rear to do business with. --72.208.xxx.xx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Apr 17, 2019 2:51 AM
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Looking at the numbers again comparing Richmond VA to the two cities here in PA where I have rentals. Again, PA is a LL friendly state by all accounts in comparison to other states. Poverty rates in Richmond are slightly higher than the two towns I'm invested in, however the rent burden (percentage of household income spent on rent) is comparable. Median gross rents are comparable as well as is median household income, yet the eviction filing rate and the eviction rates are far higher in Richmond. Here's the comparison of the eviction rates:

Richmond VA: 11.44%

My City # 1: 1.51%

My City # 2: .91%

Again, this is a LL friendly area and there is no shortage of deadbeats here, but there has to be some reason for this huge difference. Median property values in Richmond are higher, but not obscenely so; $ 193,700 for Richmond versus 170,500 and 125,800 for my two cities. In Richmond, the filing rate for evictions is 31% vs 7% and 10% for my cities---in other words for every 100 rentals in Richmond, 31 of them have eviction cases filed against them. Something is up and I can see why the politicians felt compelled to do something but it's not clear what is driving the difference.

--209.122.xx.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by nhsailmaker [NH]) Posted on: Apr 17, 2019 3:39 AM
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Freedom and liberty are NOT passed down through the generations

You must fight for them every day

YOU need to scream at the top of your lungs to your representatives.

If you dont know your Reps on a 1st name basis make sure you change that quickly

uninformed/complacent electorate = basically, downfall of every democracy/representative form of gov’t ever.

--24.62.xxx.xxx




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: Apr 17, 2019 8:56 AM
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I think it was really thoughtful of them to look out for the landlord by allowing the tenant to be late ONLY 3 times in a year.

(Sarcasm!)

So, if they get 4 months to pay each time, that's constant - the whole year! --68.10.xxx.x




4 Months B4 file 4 Evicti (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Apr 17, 2019 9:02 PM
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That is a very big problem for smaller rental housing providers who own a small apartment building or house as mortgage payments, property taxes, water sewage charges are due where there are penalties for late payment. In the province of Ontario it can six months to evict for arrears where had one drag on for a year where the payment plan they always default. Many of the rental housing providers sold out houses and small apartment buildings to very large corporations where rents go up significantly as the costs of damages, arrears have to be paid for. The lower end of the rental market is gone forever where those on social assistance along with lower incomes are no longer to find a reasonably priced rental unit. --147.194.xxx.xx





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