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Refinance LLC (by Dan McGuire [NY]) Mar 20, 2019 5:48 PM
       Refinance LLC (by NE [PA]) Mar 20, 2019 5:52 PM
       Refinance LLC (by S i d [MO]) Mar 20, 2019 6:17 PM
       Refinance LLC (by #22 [MO]) Mar 20, 2019 6:29 PM
       Refinance LLC (by Ken [NY]) Mar 20, 2019 7:04 PM
       Refinance LLC (by MikeA [TX]) Mar 20, 2019 7:52 PM
       Refinance LLC (by Barb [MO]) Mar 20, 2019 8:14 PM
       Refinance LLC (by Dan [NY]) Mar 21, 2019 4:08 AM
       Refinance LLC (by Nicole [PA]) Mar 21, 2019 5:45 AM
       Refinance LLC (by WMH [NC]) Mar 21, 2019 11:14 AM


Refinance LLC (by Dan McGuire [NY]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2019 5:48 PM
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Looking to refinance a property in my LLC. Banks are saying I need to have the property in my personal name to refinance. How do most folks handle this? Put the property into my personal name and subsequently put the property back into my llc? --107.242.xxx.x




Refinance LLC (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2019 5:52 PM
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Go to a different bank or talk to someone smarter at that bank. --50.107.xxx.xxx




Refinance LLC (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2019 6:17 PM
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Dan, first...WELCOME! Come back and ask questions often. Don't be one of those silly folks who does "one and done" here and we never hear from them again. Too much good info here to miss out!

Second...don't post under your real name. Anyone can Google you and find what you posted. Or maybe you're already in cognito?

Third...you need to understand the reason WHY the bank wants you to do this. Your lender plans to sell your mortgage on the secondary market. Most likely it is a standard residential conventional, FHA, or VA loan. To qualify for secondary market, it MUST be in the owner's name. No ifs, ands or buts. It's the law and they have to follow it because that is the product they want to offer: mortgages that qualify for sale on the secondary market.

BUT! (here's the first BUT!) Commercial loans have much more flexibility. Most banks who do commerical loans don't care about LLCs because their intention is to keep the loan "in house" as part of their portfolio. They don't sell it off: they'll keep it until you pay it off or refinance it. So...no requirements. BUT (here's the second BUT!) you will still be required to sign a personal guarantee that if the loan goes delinquent they can sue you for the balance due, etc.

The upside with commercial loans is flexibility. The downside is most won't offer fixed rate for longer than 5 years, so your interest rate may get horrible if they rise over the next 5 years or so.

You get to choose which one is worth more to you.

Or you can do what some folks do...move the property into your name, refi at a secondary lenders, then deed the property back to your LLC after closing the loan. Most lenders won't check....but if they do and want to get horsey with you they can use your transfer to the LLC as grounds to invoke the "due on transfer" and acceleration clause in your loan: basically, they get to say you defaulted by deeding the home out of your name and have to pay it all in the next 30 days (or whatever time frame). Rare, but could happen, especially in a market where interest rates are rising and banks might be tempted to call the money due in full so they can loan it back out at much higher interest.

So there you go...the good...the bad...and the BUTS!

--173.20.xxx.xxx




Refinance LLC (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2019 6:29 PM
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Dan, did you talk to a large national bank like boa or wf ? If so turn and run as fast as you can. Call regional and local banks..I have found the best financing deals there for years..might take 15 calls, but worth it...theres a correlation between bank size and stupidity...took me years to figure this out.... --174.234.xxx.xxx




Refinance LLC (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2019 7:04 PM
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Where are you located,if you are in the capital region I might be able to get you a couple bank names --72.231.xxx.xxx




Refinance LLC (by MikeA [TX]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2019 7:52 PM
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Sid and 22 both gave you great advice. The only other thing I can add is that commercial loans tend to be higher interest rates than conventional loans until the bank gets comfortable with your ability to repay. Expect to pay a couple of percent higher at first with the goal being to work down to at or below prime over time. Also, as you start looking for a lender be sure to ask what fees they charge to initiate the loan, a good local bank will likely make the loan with virtually no fees. --50.26.xx.xxx




Refinance LLC (by Barb [MO]) Posted on: Mar 20, 2019 8:14 PM
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I use a local bank for mine, and I have them as commercial loans. I get the same prices as if they were owner-occupied, but everything goes faster. A loan designed to sell on the secondary market required about 10 times the paperwork as the commercial loans.

My bank used to let me keep a rate for 5 or 7 years, although they set my minimum payment based on a 20 or 25 year loan. These days, they are down to 3 years fixed due to the market. So, every three years they can re-set the rate.

The exception is if I only want the loan for 5 years. If I set it to completely pay off in 5 years, so that I'm making a sizable principle payment right from the start, they will finance it for 5 years for the current interest rate, if not a little lower than the current interest rate. I did one of those in October. My new build went over budget, and I needed cash to finish construction. I pulled the equity out of a nearly paid off duplex (that hurt!) but I'll have it entirely paid off in 5 years.

Then we will snowball the rest of the loans! I have a plan! --64.251.xxx.xxx




Refinance LLC (by Dan [NY]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2019 4:08 AM
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I’ve been coming to this site for years, but don’t post daily. We are located on Long Island so home prices are higher and cash flow is harder. I’m only looking for long term rates such as 15 or 30. It only makes sense to lock in with the low rates. I’m looking at local and larger baanks. Sterling Bank may be an option, but just looking at this point. --107.242.xxx.x




Refinance LLC (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2019 5:45 AM
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the reason is they want YOU to personally guarantee the loan. The mortgge "obligates" the real estate. They want YOU on the hook also. So if Acme, LLC, defaults, they want Dan M. to pay up. Acme, LLC, probably owns this property and a small bank account worth zip if you're going under...no "skin in the game" for Dan personally. --72.70.xxx.xxx




Refinance LLC (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Mar 21, 2019 11:14 AM
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If you pull it out to refinance then put it back again after closing, you can trigger the Due on Sale clause, and don't let anyone tell you that can't or won't happen. It can and might.

For one thing, insurance. You can't carry insurance in your personal name if it's owned by the LLC or vice versa, so when insurance renewal comes around, bank will say, "HEY WAIT A MINUTE!" Happened to us. SO we quickly switched it back OUT of the LLC...again! Luckily no transfer fees here.

Also taxes same thing. --50.82.xxx.xx





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