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Armed Realtors Article (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Feb 18, 2019 8:00 PM
       Armed Realtors Article (by GKARL [PA]) Feb 18, 2019 9:40 PM
       Armed Realtors Article (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Feb 18, 2019 11:05 PM
       Armed Realtors Article (by David [MI]) Feb 19, 2019 5:21 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by David [MI]) Feb 19, 2019 5:22 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by 6x6 [TN]) Feb 19, 2019 6:14 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by S i d [MO]) Feb 19, 2019 6:15 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by David [MI]) Feb 19, 2019 6:28 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by Busy [WI]) Feb 19, 2019 7:45 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by GKARL [PA]) Feb 19, 2019 8:16 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Feb 19, 2019 11:08 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by David [MI]) Feb 19, 2019 11:20 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by don [PA]) Feb 19, 2019 9:53 PM
       Armed Realtors Article (by WL [CA]) Feb 24, 2019 8:25 AM
       Armed Realtors Article (by LL [TX]) Mar 2, 2019 10:16 PM
       Armed Realtors Article (by RentsDue [MA]) Mar 3, 2019 8:49 AM


Armed Realtors Article (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: Feb 18, 2019 8:00 PM
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Interesting article on armed Realtors. It also points out my concerns relating to close proximity altercations or attacks. There is no time to react. This is why I push awareness. Easier to STAY out of trouble, than to get out of it.

foxsanantonio.com/news/nation-world/real-estate-agents-arming-themselves-for-safety?fbclid=IwAR3b0Kne-vpXBjFNy9pr8ipKMRiosCppmv7ysKQl7qyJZky0QkXzlOLEhqE

- --47.216.xx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Feb 18, 2019 9:40 PM
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I work with a realtor who always gives me the lockbox code. Now he and I know each other so I assumed it was because of that, but he may be doing it with everyone for safety reasons as well. Before meeting a prospective tenant, I'm vetting them first. Realtors need to do the same and limit showings to a combination of lockboxes and videos.

I agree that it's easier to stay out of trouble than to get out of it. --209.122.xx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Feb 18, 2019 11:05 PM
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LTD,

Interesting article. I wonder about any hesitancy or backlash from anti-gun prospects.

"I'd like to sell you this house. Pardon me while I strap on my gun in case you attack me."

Or "Is this neighborhood safe?" "Sure, that's why I carry a gun."

Me? Lockbox showings, code given to only the 2-3 with approved apps.

BRAD --73.102.xxx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 5:21 AM
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Unless the house is priced super low or it is a clear marketed OPEN HOUSE, the realtor would be doing only private showings with her client. When I'm at a showing and other buyers are there, courtesy is given to wait outside or in car for the person already there to finish and exit.

So in the vast majority of cases, the only person a realtor should be in proximity to at a showing is their own client. Perhaps the realtor should be asking herself if they're in the right business if they are afraid of the clients they get then assaulting her.

--199.247.xx.xx




Armed Realtors Article (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 5:22 AM
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For the case of an OPEN HOUSE, the sellers realtor would be there. I think THAT PERSON would frighten buyers if they were open carrying at an OPEN HOUSE. "Is this area safe?" "yes thats why I carry at an OPEN HOUSE" --199.247.xx.xx




Armed Realtors Article (by 6x6 [TN]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 6:14 AM
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Thank you for sharing LTD.

I take it you carry.

Do you have a gun range on your property? I am wanting to set one up on my farm.

I know you have a lot of desert and a shovel! LOL!! --73.120.xx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 6:15 AM
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LTD, agreed. An ounce of prevention better than a pound of cure.

I've long been a fan of not LOOKING like a victim. Criminals are lazy, by definition, preferring the quick 'n easy buck to working for it honestly. So make the job HARD for them and they're less likely to proceed with committing a crime.

Present yourself with an air of confidence. Walk briskly. Look people in the eyes. Give a firm handshake. Use solid vocal tone. Make statements using a "command voice" (military term) from the gut vs. a wispy, mushing sounding voice. Smile, but with a confidence in the eyes that you could kick a door down if needed.

Ladies, I love ya, but don't go into a home by yourself. Yes, yes, woman power, equality, Hooah! But society has a (false) perception that women are weaker than men. Not your fault. Just the way it is. Do something extra to ensure that you do NOT look weak. Alone = weak. Even if someone else is just sitting in your car, you are no longer alone. It stinks that we still have such a perception. No matter. Your life isn't worth proving a political or gender equality point. Don't be alone. If all else fails, unlock the front door and let the people walk inside. You stay outside. Let them know you are happy to answer any questions when they are done. Make up a reason. Say you're expecting a call from your adult son / manager / business partner. Anything to create the impression that someone is watching out for you.

Also....LOCKBOX SHOWINGS! Your LIFE is not worth risking on a knucklehead who might be high or who has an ax to grind and decides your body is going to be the recipient of their rage. The risk of squatters can be managed. Damages/thefts can be repaired or replaced. Dirt can be cleaned. In-person interviews can (and should!) be done during the 2-minute in home inspection. Do your due diligence before giving out the lock box code, create the right atmosphere that the property is being watched and tended to, and you will eliminate almost all the risk. All that plus the time and money you'll save makes this strategy a must!

--173.20.xxx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 6:28 AM
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I don't see the point of giving a lockbox code to someone who you think is "knucklehead who might be high or who has an ax to grind and decides your body is going to be the recipient of their rage."

If someone passes my phone screening enough for me to give them lockbox to my rental, then they also pass the bar for me to meet them at MY rental. Further, I see the risk to be HIGHER if you meet them on THEIR territory for a "home inspection." Unless you plan to stand at their front door and just look into what you can see from there. --199.247.xx.xx




Armed Realtors Article (by Busy [WI]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 7:45 AM
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I have had my son-in-law sit in the corner during screening process. He used to work for a security company, so knows how to look menacing, if needed. He admits though, in a fight, mom would probably be the one to be afraid of.

I generally won’t let anyone view that I haven’t done a records screening. Got lots of restraining orders, high amounts of unsatisfied judgements, recent replevins, any recent assault charges? Next! --70.92.xxx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 8:16 AM
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I can't complete a records screening for everyone depending on where they may be from. For the types of rentals I have, anyone from out of area is suspect so I'm considering just passing on anyone who I can't look up via PA Courts.

The thing that comes to mind is a bait and switch scenario as well. I had a young lady who got past the pre-screening for a room who showed up with her boyfriend that she never mentioned. Both he and her were going to occupy the room and I nixed that idea, however, the point is that someone could get past the pre-screen and then bring someone along with them who's problematic. One can not ensure against every scenario even with the pre-screening. I only have multis, so someone is generally around. For SFH, this is more difficult. Lockboxes are probably the way to go in either instance. --64.121.xxx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by Live The Dream [AZ]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 11:08 AM
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I don't think you need to intimidate prospective tenants or buyers. I know I come off online as a bit intimidating but in real life I'm pretty nice and don't run around with a hogleg strapped to my leg, at least not one you can see.

Obviously we want our prospects to feel comfortable both with us and the property. We can do subtle things to reduce risk without making others uncomfortable.

Getting ID can be helpful, but not always easily accomplished. Taking a photo then emailing it to another address is good. Don't send to your phone email, they can take your phone, access your mail and erase the image. It is fairly standard in some RE offices to photocopy client IDs before going on showings.

Have a second person who waits in the car or hangs back. My spouse and I used to do some showings together to get additional feedback from her on a tenant. We'd tag team, I'd show, then she'd take over, our security looked casual, not like a guard was standing by the door.

Be casual, open the door and politely let the prospect enter first, then casually keep yourself between them and any exit. Your second person is outside, if a confederate arrives to block the door, YOUR confederate is behind THEM!

Clearing yourself in and out with phone calls can be wise. I used to call my spouse when the prospect showed up, I'd let them hear me say, "I'll call you when we are done." Then explain that I had another appointment afterward. Served the dual purpose of letting a nefarious person know I was expected somewhere and gave me an excuse to cut poor prospects short and end the showing. "Oh my, look at the time! Here's an app. I gotta run!"

We slacked off on all this in recent years by changing our demographics to senior living. Not too many 70 year olds are interested in kidnapping landlords. Though I've had a 62 year old drug dealer. Sigh.

I have also occasionally used intimidation to my benefit. Before, when we had more units and were dealing with a horrible tenant pool I sometimes pulled up in my big truck with our security company graphics. I'd wear my uniform and pistol belt and explain my other line of work. A couple of folks on realizing we weren't going to be flim flammed suddenly remembered their sock drawer needed immediate attention.

The best thing is being aware and acting on your gut feelings. If something feels "off," it is. Get out, regroup, put the other party off their game and they will usually break off and look for another victim. And if they don't then you have your tools and defense training as a last resort.

Find the happy medium. Where you are protected but it isn't intimidating to the other party.

--47.216.xx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by David [MI]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 11:20 AM
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Don't park in the driveway. I always park 1-2 houses down the street. Gives people coming space to par and allows me to avoid being boxed in.

I used to show houses after work. In winter, that would be in the dark. No longer, now I only show houses at 3pm on the weekends where even at solstice its still bright outside

--199.247.xx.xx




Armed Realtors Article (by don [PA]) Posted on: Feb 19, 2019 9:53 PM
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Always meet the prospect at your office. This also saves you from wasting time if you get stood up. In any case, a real estate agent in my state is supposed to do a basic financial info. sheet (one page, general rough numbers supplied by prospect) on a prospect and have them sign a representation agreement before showing the prospect anything. No attacker is going to go through all that. --73.141.xxx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by WL [CA]) Posted on: Feb 24, 2019 8:25 AM
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Another option is to meet at a nearby restaurant - I use the local McDonalds. Plenty of security cameras and easy to find, then the contractor, tenant, applicant can follow you to the apartment. Also, pepper spray is handy to have - scared off a mugger when he saw I had it ready to spray him a few weeks back. Walmart sells it for $10 --174.65.xx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by LL [TX]) Posted on: Mar 2, 2019 10:16 PM
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I always arrive ten minutes before my scheduled time to show the house. I unlock the house quickly and then wait in the street next to my car. When the prospective tenant arrives, I tell them (with phone to my ear) that I'm on the phone but go ahead and go inside and look around. Come on out when you're done. I NEVER go inside a rental with anyone I don't know. --76.183.xxx.xxx




Armed Realtors Article (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Mar 3, 2019 8:49 AM
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If I want a realtor I don't know to show me a house, they want my information and proof of funds or a pre approval from bank. That's for safety as well as their own prescreening so nobody wastes their time. What we do is not much different but it seems our applicants expect us to just open the doors to them without knowing who they are or if they qualify. Dealing with strangers in a private setting is not safe. I NEVER let an applicant get between me and the door. --71.10.xxx.xxx





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