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Investors Looking at B&C (by GKARL [PA]) Dec 9, 2018 4:16 PM
       Investors Looking at B&C (by Frank [NJ]) Dec 9, 2018 4:21 PM
       Investors Looking at B&C (by GKARL [PA]) Dec 9, 2018 4:27 PM
       Investors Looking at B&C (by Moshe [CA]) Dec 9, 2018 4:43 PM
       Investors Looking at B&C (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Dec 11, 2018 1:56 PM


Investors Looking at B&C (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2018 4:16 PM
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Investors Eyeing Secondary Markets, Workforce-Level Apartments As Downtowns Overbuild

The high-end apartment markets in the downtown cores of many major U.S. cities are experiencing an oversupply that makes it difficult to raise rents, and several top investors are now shifting their money to secondary cities, suburban areas and the workforce housing segment to find opportunities for growth.

"We focus on [Class-]B's not A's," said Starwood Capital CEO Barry Sternlicht, speaking Wednesday at Bisnow's Multifamily Annual Conference East. "We don't own anything in New York, Los Angeles or San Francisco. We bought into markets where we thought rents would grow." Starwood is one of many top investment firms shying away from the nation's priciest cities and passing on the Class-A segment in favor of more affordable apartment markets. PGIM Real Estate, the investment arm of Prudential Financial, announced Tuesday it acquired three multifamily portfolios in Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina, and Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, for nearly $600M. The portfolios, bought in partnership with Atlanta-based Carroll Organization, consist of workforce-level housing properties, part of a strategy the JV is pursuing.

The PGIM-Carroll JV has acquired more than $2B of workforce housing in the southeast U.S. and Texas since December 2017. PGIM Managing Director Susan Mello said the acquisitions show that investors see more opportunity in the value-add Class-B space than in ground-up apartment development.

"We're going to be opportunistic on the development side, though it's gotten expensive with construction costs rising and labor shortages and interest rates going up," Mello said. "It is driving capital to look for new opportunities, maybe new niche strategies that they haven't been going to previously ... It's going to go into value-add renovation plays or workforce housing or things like that."

LGA Capital Managing Principal Jason Gerstein also said rising construction costs and interest rates have made ground-up development harder to pencil. He said development is most difficult in downtown markets where new projects have the most competition from a large amount of supply delivering, so he is looking elsewhere.

"There's a concern about overbuilding in the urban core," Gerstein said. "We're looking to invest in ground-up construction in that first or second ring outside the urban core where you're still seeing the demand drivers and job growth and you can build without competing with all the cranes. That's something the investors are looking for, and it's still financeable and produces cash flow." Freddie Mac President David Brickman said he has seen a shift of investors across the U.S. placing more attention on the workforce housing space, rather than Class-A apartments. "We take a lot of pride in seeing how much money has moved into workforce housing," Brickman said. "That's something that we've particularly focused on and tried to help incent capital to move to, because we see strong opportunities there."

"Capital flows have increased dramatically," Pantzer said. "I think multifamily — particularly Class-B and C apartments, which is the workforce housing sector — has gotten an extraordinary amount of attention."

But as more investment flows into the workforce sector, deals get more competitive and it it can be harder to generate the same returns on projects.

"A couple years ago, the value-add deals were in the mid-to-high teens, it's more in the low-to-mid teens now," said FCP Senior Vice President Jason Bonderenko, referring to the percentage of returns. "As more capital comes into the space, to stay competitive while still underwriting reasonable assumptions, you've had to lower your return expectations if you want to continue investing."

bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/multifamily/investors-eyeing-close-in-suburbs-workforce-level-apartments-as-downtowns-overbuild-95460? --209.122.xx.xxx




Investors Looking at B&C (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2018 4:21 PM
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Despite some local opposition the Kushner Co. has purchased our local Mall and finally secured the go ahead to re-do the Mall and in addition to the retail element put up 700 apartments renting to rent from 2300 to 3100. There will be over 50 low income units as well --74.105.xxx.xxx




Investors Looking at B&C (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2018 4:27 PM
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Funny you mention that Frank. Malls are in trouble and I read about how some of being converted to mixed use. Most of this will be high end though that contributing to the overbuild in the market segment IMO. --209.122.xx.xxx




Investors Looking at B&C (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Dec 9, 2018 4:43 PM
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I think that I have said before about investing in markets where the rent will grow. That way, since the price of a property is basically determined by the rent that it brings in, not only will the rent show growth, but the property will also appreciate accordingly. Thus, the strategy of investing where rent growth is present, has a sound basis which is recognized by other professionals.

Is it also true that the strategy of investing elsewhere, where growth potential doesn't exist is a bad strategy?

--47.139.xx.xxx




Investors Looking at B&C (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Dec 11, 2018 1:56 PM
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It all depends on the ROI and the amount you need to put down to make a place cash flow.

I submit that if a property isn't cash flowing and you bought it strictly for the appreciation of rents and value - you are not an investor, you crossed the line into being a speculator.

I have one property that will probably not ever increase in value. I have less than $35,000 into it and it yields about 32% cash on cash returns annually. Then again, I bought out in San Diego also just as the Aero-Space industry pulled out and moved to Phoenix. I was needing about 35% down to make the places cash flow there and sold them four years later for 240% increase in value. The folks who bought them were tickled pink to buy them with only 10% down. So the answer is, it all depends on what you are seeking --72.23.xxx.xx





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