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Property Managers (by Steve [OH]) Nov 19, 2018 4:31 PM
       Property Managers (by Richard [MI]) Nov 19, 2018 5:11 PM
       Property Managers (by WMH [NC]) Nov 20, 2018 4:56 AM
       Property Managers (by S i d [MO]) Nov 20, 2018 5:46 AM
       Property Managers (by Larry [TX]) Nov 20, 2018 5:50 AM
       Property Managers (by Julie [KS]) Nov 20, 2018 6:26 AM
       Property Managers (by WMH [NC]) Nov 20, 2018 6:50 AM
       Property Managers (by Tim [IL]) Nov 20, 2018 1:53 PM


Property Managers (by Steve [OH]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2018 4:31 PM
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I'm starting to sell my properties, doing 1031 exchanges, and I'm considering using a property manager

on the ones that don't sell right away. The company I'm looking at manages 500 properties and I received a good word of mouth on them. I'm looking to de-stress and enjoy life more, I'm 68. I'm looking for wisdom here. Have you used property managers? Thank you. --75.187.xx.xx




Property Managers (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Nov 19, 2018 5:11 PM
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Like all projects, you have to keep your eye on them and double check everything. --23.121.xx.xxx




Property Managers (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2018 4:56 AM
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Just understand that an owner's goal are diametrically opposed to a property manager's. Property Managers make money on repairs - owners try to save money. Property Managers often only make money when they RENT a place, not by KEEPING it rented.

I'd be examining their contract closely to see how they make money - that will tell you a lot about their operation. --50.82.xxx.xx




Property Managers (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2018 5:46 AM
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Economics of scale will define how much attention you get, and rightly so. Here's what I mean.

A good PM knows that each land lord will be a 100% new ball of yarn to untangle. You will have different goals, motives, and expectations to satisfy. Some of your style will mesh perfectly with their policies and procedures...some of it won't. The PM will not know where you fit in that grand scheme until you've been in business for awhile. So....the PM will decide how much is it worthwhile to get into business with you?

Let's say you have 5 units that rent on average for $1000/month each. At 10% per month of rent plus one leasing fee per year at 1/2 month's rent, the PM company will earn $6000 from rent fees and $2,500 from leasing fees for a grand total of $8,500. Take out taxes, overhead, etc, and they will net somewhere around $6,000 - $6,500. Will that be worthwhile to a manager to be on call (or hire someone to be one call) 24/7? Maybe....

Same scneario but with 50 units. Ah, now we're talking $60,000 per year in net profit. Will the PM pay more or less attention to you?

PMs are like the rest of us: they want to maximize profit and minimize hassle. Also, getting a new client "on board" requires time and effort. Will the PM be happy to take you on as a new client as you are downsizing and trying to exit the business, which means their income from you will be shrinking? I don't know. Maybe yes, maybe no.

The best PMs I know look for "whales"...people with 50+ units and growing bigger. The mid-range PMs will do between 20-50 unit customers all day long as they grow toward being the best. The shoddy, half-butt PMs will take anyone because that's all they can get.

Keep this in mind while shopping. They will evaluate you at least as much if not more than you evaluate them.

Good luck!

.

P.S. Jeffrey suggested at a Convention a couple years ago hiring someone and training them to be a PM. Have you thought about that? Maybe find a retired police man or other kind of admin person who is bored banging around the house would be excited to make an extra $500-$600 a month an be back involved with people again vs. watching day time TV.... They couldn't be a full-service PM in my state since Missouri requires that a person has a broker's license to manage someone elses' property, but your part-time "helper" could handle 80-90% of the work such as answering phones, unlocking homes for tours, doing inspections, etc. All you'd have to do is do the ads and leases...not too much effort there! --173.20.xxx.xxx




Property Managers (by Larry [TX]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2018 5:50 AM
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I have tried about 4 different ones and couldn’t find an honest one in the bunch,....Never Again will I use one. --73.166.xxx.xxx




Property Managers (by Julie [KS]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2018 6:26 AM
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I'm not exactly sure why you think a PM makes no money by keeping a unit rented. I'm commission only. Most PMs I know are commission only. The ONLY way I make money is collecting rent on a unit monthly. I make NOTHING renting a unit or renewing a lease.

And yeah those $40 toilet repairs make me rich.......

Just like any other industry, there are honest PMs & PMs who define schmuck. Go over the contract & make sure you understand it.....that will likely let you know if you're dealing with a schmuck or not. Your gut is a good judge as well.

Maybe a better route is to find someone YOU trust & train them to manage your properties. If you're gonna pay someone 10% of your gross rents why not pick someone YOU already know & trust to do the job?? You still have control of your business & you're training someone to do it the way you want it done. --104.128.xx.xxx




Property Managers (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2018 6:50 AM
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Julie, the PMs around here charge a fee PLUS percentages of rents, and repairs are quite expensive to the owner. Maybe the PM isn't making much on them either, I don't know, but the owner is paying WAY more than he would if he did it himself or even hired the trades themselves.

A $100 plumbing repair becomes $150 or $200 when handled by a PM. --50.82.xxx.xx




Property Managers (by Tim [IL]) Posted on: Nov 20, 2018 1:53 PM
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I started hiring someone to take over for the day today issues. I find this the best of both worlds --107.77.xxx.xx





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