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Reduce cap gain tax (by Pacman [IL]) Oct 16, 2018 5:50 AM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by fred [CA]) Oct 16, 2018 6:02 AM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by S i d [MO]) Oct 16, 2018 7:04 AM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by JB [OR]) Oct 16, 2018 7:47 AM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by LindaJ [NY]) Oct 16, 2018 8:11 AM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by Robert J [CA]) Oct 16, 2018 8:43 AM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by WMH [NC]) Oct 16, 2018 9:33 AM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Oct 16, 2018 2:55 PM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by gevans [SC]) Oct 16, 2018 6:49 PM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by Quietly [FL]) Oct 16, 2018 8:57 PM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by John... [MI]) Oct 17, 2018 5:18 AM
       Reduce cap gain tax (by Pacman [IL]) Oct 18, 2018 2:38 PM


Reduce cap gain tax (by Pacman [IL]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 5:50 AM
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Hi fellow LL :-)

A month ago, I've sold one of my rentals and net the profit was around $250K. Luckily I've held it more than a year. So it would be taxed as a long term cap gain at 15%. Still, 15% of $250K is a lot of dough. Any suggestions on reducing the cap gain tax? I plan to sell all loser stocks to help offsets the tax but they weren't much (not even $10K).

I'm in the process of selling another rental property at loss of about $100K. I'll list it in MLS sometimes this week. This would be a big help if I could close it before end of 2018. However we only have 2.5 months left. Sigh...

Any ideas or opinions are appreciated. Take care. --73.168.x.xxx




Reduce cap gain tax (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 6:02 AM
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How about using some documented accounting here.

Have you done any improvements since you bought the place?

Have you incur any expenses associated with the sale?

Some closing costs (buying or selling) can affect your net taxable long term profit, and may reduce your tax.

A talk with a CPA may help. --99.59.x.xxx




Reduce cap gain tax (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 7:04 AM
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Pacman,

Congratulations on making $1/4 million! That's a significant achievement.

The only ways I know of to reduce taxes vs. delay them is to have offsetting losses. The strategies you've mentioned (selling loser stocks/properties) would help offset your total liability for the year. HOWEVER, keep in mind that just like deducting expenses reduces taxes, dollar for dollar you are better off to pay taxes and make more money vs. spend money unnecessarily to try to avoid paying taxes.

In other words, while I hate taxes as much as anyone, I don't go buys lots of stuff I don't need to try to offset my tax burden. Likewise, if I thought a down stock had a decent chance of coming back, I'd stick it out and take the gain on the stock vs. take a loss on purpose.

Think about it...

If you take a $10K loss on stock, all that does is negate $10K in cap gain taxes. It's a zero sum. You don't really gain anything, unless you anticipate the stock with drop further you simply lock in the loss at a somewhat less terrible stage.

But what if your stock comes roaring back to life and next year you sell and make a $25,000 profit? It would've been silly to trade $25K in profit (less cap gains of 15%) to avoid $10K in losses.

I know you said you don't have that much stock, but the example works no matter what you do. Be sure to weigh the actual dollars saved vs. what some genius online says (me included).

Don't be like the folks who choose not to pay off their mortgage when they have the funds available just to keep the interest deduction. Sending a bank $1 to save from sending Uncle Sam a quarter is a mistake. --173.20.xxx.xxx




Reduce cap gain tax (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 7:47 AM
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Just sell it for $100k less than you figured you would. That will also get you a quick sale for 2018. Problems solved...taxes saved... --24.20.xxx.xxx




Reduce cap gain tax (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 8:11 AM
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As much as we all hate paying the taxes, and do everything legal to not pay it, look at the bright side... you made money and enough to cover the taxes plus walking away with a good chunk.

Look at the loss on your next sale... will that loss be useful next year to you or are you better off selling it for even less to close quickly and take the loss this year?

Sometimes we are just better off clenching our teeth, paying the taxes and walking off with what we can gain now. Having done that last year, I can say, once you write the checks, file the taxes and move on, you forget about how much you really paid in taxes and enjoy the profits. --108.4.xxx.xx




Reduce cap gain tax (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 8:43 AM
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You are very lucky. Here in California with the high price of real estate, my Long Term Capital Gains Tax is 20%. Then the State Tax is 13.3%. Then add on the Affordable Care Act, that's another 3.8%. Transfer tax and escrow fee's, that's another 2%. And lets not forget about the real estate commission of 6%. Add that all up and it comes to 45.1% in taxes and fee's. Ouch! You got off easy! --47.156.xx.xx




Reduce cap gain tax (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 9:33 AM
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Losing money in stocks: you can only write off a portion off your losses each year, and it's very limited: $3k per year for married filing joint, $1500 for single. We lost a bundle many years ago and are still taking that deduction years later. We'll be dead before we could realize it all. --50.82.xxx.xx




Reduce cap gain tax (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 2:55 PM
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Don't forget to lower you cost bases by adjusting for the depreciation. Sadly that means more taxes. If the price of the house you're selling for a loss is low enough, it will close fast. Contact lowball investors that can close quickly. --108.69.xxx.xxx




Reduce cap gain tax (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 6:49 PM
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My local RE guru told me years ago paying lots of taxes can be a good thing. It means you are making lots of money!

Of course you want to reduce the bite as much as possible, but those that make money pay taxes.

Congrats on paying more in taxes than some people make in a year.

--98.122.x.xx




Reduce cap gain tax (by Quietly [FL]) Posted on: Oct 16, 2018 8:57 PM
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I am in the same boat (so to speak). Best responses were S I D and gevans. I copied and pasted their responses to myself to make sure I'm not a tad upset come April 15, 2018. --107.202.xxx.xxx




Reduce cap gain tax (by John... [MI]) Posted on: Oct 17, 2018 5:18 AM
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I'm with gevans. This generally means that you are doing very well. Heck, even with Robert J's example. Yes, I get that California is crazy with taxes -- but the fact that you are paying 20% instead of 15% is not because of California -- it's because your income is over $400,000/year. So, instead of feeling sorry for you for that part, I'm just going to say Congratulations! Well done! Now pay it and enjoy life. :)

- John...

--24.180.xxx.xxx




Reduce cap gain tax (by Pacman [IL]) Posted on: Oct 18, 2018 2:38 PM
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Sorry for checking this thread a bit late. Thank you everyone so much for sharing your inputs. I appreciate it. :-) --73.168.x.xxx





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