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Difficult tenant (by sam [TX]) Oct 12, 2018 4:59 AM
       Difficult tenant (by Still Learning [NH]) Oct 12, 2018 5:35 AM
       Difficult tenant (by LisaFL [FL]) Oct 12, 2018 5:38 AM
       Difficult tenant (by Vee [OH]) Oct 12, 2018 5:38 AM
       Difficult tenant (by S i d [MO]) Oct 12, 2018 6:47 AM
       Difficult tenant (by bet [MA]) Oct 12, 2018 7:17 AM
       Difficult tenant (by myob [GA]) Oct 12, 2018 8:35 AM
       Difficult tenant (by AllyM [NJ]) Oct 12, 2018 9:06 AM
       Difficult tenant (by Rich [PA]) Oct 12, 2018 10:03 AM
       Difficult tenant (by WMH [NC]) Oct 12, 2018 10:37 AM
       Difficult tenant (by Robert J [CA]) Oct 13, 2018 9:59 AM
       Difficult tenant (by Lucy [IN]) Oct 14, 2018 8:07 PM
       Difficult tenant (by Sam [TX]) Oct 14, 2018 8:14 PM


Difficult tenant (by sam [TX]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 4:59 AM
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I have a difficult tenant who I am letting out of the lease early due to the fact she has delayed repairs to my property. This tenant now insist I do the a final walk through with her present and wants her deposit back that same day. I have explained that Texas law allows me up to 30 days after termination of lease to return deposit and is now threatening not to move. Any suggestions or advise on how to handle this tenant. Thanks --24.155.xxx.xxx




Difficult tenant (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 5:35 AM
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Threatening not to move doesn’t add up. I could see threatening to sue you, but why not to move? Does she need the $ for sec dep on the new place and same day is the only way she could move? Unless you are desperate to get her out, the law is on your side and I would call her bluff. If she is not bluffing, you could be stuck with her for the remaining lease term. I think Jeffrey now has something where he offers security deposits back quicker at a discounted rate (not sure if that is a processing fee or like holding money back for undiscovered damage). --24.61.xxx.xx




Difficult tenant (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 5:38 AM
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Tell her you follow the law and treat everyone equally. She must move or be evicted and her security deposit return will be processed in accordance with the law which you are obligated to follow. Cost of the eviction will affect her deposit and her credit. --75.89.xx.xxx




Difficult tenant (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 5:38 AM
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Just follow the tenant laws, if it is 30 days tell her if everything is sparkling the check may come from the bank in 2 weeks, nobody issues a refund instantly in this business - that is why the guidelines are written in tenant law - to protect the outgoing tenant from waiting 3 months. --76.188.xxx.xx




Difficult tenant (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 6:47 AM
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Hi Sam,

If you've been on Mr. LL for more than a week, you've probably heard this phrase before...

"What does your LEASE say?"

Let me give an example of how this works for me:

TENANT: "You can't come for repairs today."

ME: "We posted notice 24 hours in advance per our lease. Failure to be present and to allow access will result in the minimum charge of $40 or the contractor's service call fee, whichever is greater."

***

TENANT: "I want to move out early!"

ME: "Okay, per our lease the early lease termination fee is $XXX. I need your written, signed notice of intent to terminate early, signed and dated by the last day of this month, and it will be effective to terminate as of Nov 30th. The fee must be paid before your lease end."

***

TENANT: "I demand you do a walk thru with me and my parents present."

ME: "Per our lease and the laws of the State of Missouri, I will let you know when I schedule the walk thru. You or your representatives are welcome but not required to be present. Our accountant handles the security deposit and we will send you the accounting within the time period specific in the Revised Missouri Statutes. What is your new address so I can forward it?"

***

TENANT: "Well, if you're going to be an #$%#$ then I'm not moving."

ME: If notice hasn't been received yet: "Okay, then rent is due Nov 1st, have a nice day." (click) If notice has been received: "Per our lease, once written notice is received I have to agree to take-back your notice. You will need to have all your possessions out and keys left on the kitchen counter on or before Nov 30th, or we will consider this tenancy a hold-over and will take whatever steps are necessary to recover the premises."

***

Once everything is in the lease, you simply follow your lease. You always speak in a calm, collected manner.

There's no drama for you. There may be plenty of drama for your tenant, but that's their concern not yours. Time to tidy up any holes in your lease!

If they scream or get nasty with you on the phone, simply tell them all future communication must be in writing, then block their calls. There is no law requiring you to talk to nasty people on the phone. Save their texts and emails for court. ;-)

Now, a final thought...I realize this tenant is annoying. However, we're going into one of the hardest times to rent (Nov - Jan). If the repairs aren't causing issues with the property, I recommend continuing the lease thru the Winter and then handing 30 days notice of non-renewal on February 28th so you can have them out at the end of March and get the place ready for the next crop of desirable renters in the late Spring.

--173.20.xxx.xxx




Difficult tenant (by bet [MA]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 7:17 AM
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We have run into this a few times this year. For every day they have the keys and if they have the keys into the next month they owe a whole month (MA). That is what I tell them. WE do not do walk thrus and we dont comply to their demands. They have been there hours demanding we show up. --74.104.xxx.xxx




Difficult tenant (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 8:35 AM
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Tell you what-- you are no longer the LL...

The answer is NO NO NO leave the keys on the counter with your forwarding address and I'll inspect shortly. Your deposit is in a special escrow account and per the law will be returned to you following the law.

Get back in the drivers seat or be the whipping boy from now til!!! --99.103.xxx.xxx




Difficult tenant (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 9:06 AM
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Just don't do it. Send her a registered letter and also by regular mail what you posted here. --73.178.xxx.xx




Difficult tenant (by Rich [PA]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 10:03 AM
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Though the law allows 30 days in PA, holding on to the deposit is just one more thing I have to be mindful about and track.

To make life easier on myself, once everything is out of the unit and I am given the keys, I will then inspect the property - generally takes 10 minutes. If all looks good, I do hand the check for a full security deposit refund to the tenant on the spot, if present. If not present, I mail it within a day or two of the move-out. Most tenants have a bad landlord story and often involves the deductions make to their security deposit. I find that tenants are blown away when I deliver the check immediately vs them having to wonder and wait for the security deposit check.

As some landlords have mentioned on this board - I am in the customer service business. I do not nickel and dime tenants on the way out(e.g., a burned out light bulbs, dirty window sill) because I want the tenant to be spreading the word for me that I am the landlord to rent from if friends, family or co-workers are looking in the future. I do not mind forgoing the $5,$10,$20 deductions because I'd rather receive the many thousands from a referred tenant (of course, new applicants must pass my screening). I have probably received 15 - 20 referrals who become tenants over the years from current or past tenants.

95% of my tenants receive a 100% refund of their sec deposit. I do not rent to pet owners or smokers so generally my units are returned in good to excellent condition. I do deduct for damages, dirty refrig and stoves, and items / trash left behind. --100.6.xxx.xxx




Difficult tenant (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Oct 12, 2018 10:37 AM
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I tell the tenants that for their protection, the security deposit is held apart from all other money (true) and that I do not have checks for that account (also true) and the refund will be sent directly from the bank - after we get the keys and possession is returned, with the unit clean and ready to occupy by the next resident.

I give them the checklist and they can do their own walk-through. But I don't do a walk-through of my own until possession is returned. --50.82.xxx.xx




Difficult tenant (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Oct 13, 2018 9:59 AM
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I've had many tenants demand immediate repayment of their deposit upon leaving the property and turning in the keys. Most of the time it's a harmless request. But several times the tenant had an unknown boarder who will not leave and would require a costly eviction to leave. So I simply explain that I'm happy to do TWO inspections. One, two weeks before the move out date to provide a list of costs of repairs. And the second inspection after the tenants belongings/property have been removed, keys turned in and the tenant signs a letter confirming they are out and surrenders the property back to the owner. I then will give the tenant an approximate list of costs to be deducted fro their deposit and have 21 days to provide the refund check, receipts of repairs.

But with many wonderful tenants that were never any problem. Paid their rent on time and took good care of their deposit, I surprised them with a full refund check when we met at the rental for the final inspection. I had one College Professor from Los Angeles City College cry because she had never been treated so well when it came to any of their previous landlords. --47.156.xx.xx




Difficult tenant (by Lucy [IN]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2018 8:07 PM
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Too many things to find out during cleaning/repairing process to hand back SD on the spot anyway. I just send them a reminder letter of MY move out procedure, and it's after they are gone with keys and forwarding address left on the kitchen counter. They can want it immediately, but they don't get it. I can't help that Rich is doing all landlords a disservice (including himself).

As always, good and advice, S i d. --69.160.xxx.xxx




Difficult tenant (by Sam [TX]) Posted on: Oct 14, 2018 8:14 PM
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Thanks for everyone time and advise --24.155.xxx.xxx





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