 to prove (by CJ [MO]) Sep 22, 2018 6:37 PM
 to prove (by GKARL [PA]) Sep 22, 2018 6:48 PM
to prove (by J [FL]) Sep 22, 2018 6:51 PM
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Sep 22, 2018 6:55 PM
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Sep 22, 2018 6:55 PM
to prove (by GKARL [PA]) Sep 22, 2018 7:03 PM
to prove (by GKARL [PA]) Sep 22, 2018 7:04 PM
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Sep 22, 2018 7:19 PM
to prove (by plenty [MO]) Sep 22, 2018 7:40 PM
to prove (by Ken [NY]) Sep 22, 2018 7:43 PM
to prove (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Sep 22, 2018 8:08 PM
to prove (by OPM [OR]) Sep 22, 2018 8:36 PM
to prove (by Livethedream [AZ]) Sep 22, 2018 9:55 PM
to prove (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Sep 22, 2018 10:12 PM
to prove (by LordZen [MA]) Sep 22, 2018 10:38 PM
to prove (by Robert J [CA]) Sep 23, 2018 1:22 AM
to prove (by elliot [RI]) Sep 23, 2018 4:39 AM
to prove (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 23, 2018 4:43 AM
to prove (by Still Learning [NH]) Sep 23, 2018 4:52 AM
to prove (by MC [PA]) Sep 23, 2018 5:02 AM
to prove (by Rich [PA]) Sep 23, 2018 5:23 AM
to prove (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Sep 23, 2018 5:39 AM
to prove (by WMH [NC]) Sep 23, 2018 5:46 AM
to prove (by NE [PA]) Sep 23, 2018 5:47 AM
to prove (by Lucy [IN]) Sep 23, 2018 6:51 AM
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Sep 23, 2018 7:41 AM
to prove (by NE [PA]) Sep 23, 2018 7:49 AM
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Sep 23, 2018 8:02 AM
to prove (by NE [PA]) Sep 23, 2018 8:07 AM
to prove (by WMH [NC]) Sep 23, 2018 8:22 AM
to prove (by Nicole [PA]) Sep 23, 2018 8:41 AM
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Sep 23, 2018 8:42 AM
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Sep 23, 2018 8:46 AM
to prove (by Tom [FL]) Sep 23, 2018 10:01 AM
to prove (by Vee [OH]) Sep 23, 2018 11:12 AM
to prove (by cjl [NY]) Sep 23, 2018 11:43 AM
to prove (by melinda [MD]) Sep 23, 2018 12:36 PM
to prove (by Lynda [TX]) Sep 24, 2018 6:04 PM
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 6:37 PM
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Do you prove to prospect you are manager or owner when they want you to?
We have current tenant showed the house to prospects. A prospect wants the house, and want to pay some fee to hold it. I met her at a store, she wants me to prove I am owner or manager. I give her my business card and I said the owner information is public record. I told her that she does not need to deal with me if not feel comfortable. She then said "My attorney said the house is forclosure, why do you rent it?" "My attorney said you need realtor license". I do not want to bother current resident just to prove I am manager. I do not want to deal with this prospect. Then she started to threaten to report me to BBB for scamer. I said "Ok, I will meet you at the house to prove I am not scamer" I went to there to meet her. She knocked the door, tenant were not home to open the door. The prosepct complained I am the worst business people and left.
--97.91.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 6:48 PM
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The minute someone accuses you of scamming when you've bent over backwards to establish otherwise, is the time to walk away. I'm not going to waste time trying to allay someone's self created fictions. I've never had this come up, but I'm usually meeting tenants at the property and sometimes at my office. I don't have a separate rental office per se, but an accounting office where I sometimes meet them for lease signing. However, I rarely do that. Most of the lease signing is done at the unit. --209.122.xx.xxx |
to prove (by J [FL]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 6:51 PM
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Years ago during the housing crisis many applicants would ask if the house was in foreclosure and one person wanted me to produce mortgage documents to prove that it wasn't...I was sort of annoyed and said no I wasn't going to do that but I can understand why he asked. --72.188.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 6:55 PM
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The current tenant is still there and house showed great. The woman's mom, three kids and grand kid from 15 year old daughter.
I told her not to rent form us if do not trust us. But she is the one insist me to prove thia and that. Finally, I only agree to prove I am not scammer because she threaten to report to BBB. --97.91.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 6:55 PM
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The current tenant is still there and house showed great. The woman's mom, three kids and grand kid from 15 year old daughter.
I told her not to rent form us if do not trust us. But she is the one insist me to prove thia and that. Finally, I only agree to prove I am not scammer because she threaten to report to BBB. --97.91.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 7:03 PM
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I wouldn't have been afraid of her reporting anything. You didn't do anything wrong. I think you may be been trying to scam you rather than the other way around. --209.122.xx.xxx |
to prove (by GKARL [PA]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 7:04 PM
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I meant she was trying to scam you. --209.122.xx.xxx |
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 7:19 PM
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She likes the house 3bed/3bath for her 4 gerneration, which is not good for the house. I do not know she made up attorney story or not. She is aggresive to me. --97.91.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 7:40 PM
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If you know you'd rather not have them ss as tenants then quite trying and just say ok. Let her believe whatever she wants but stop yourself. Catch yourself from trying... just agree and count your blessings! --99.203.xx.xxx |
to prove (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 7:43 PM
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She was scamming you by calling you a scammer and getting you to go out of your way to prove you weren't scamming her then you will rent to her just to prove to her that you do have the right to rent it to her.Who cares if they call the BBB? they have no authority to do anything,if anyone calls me a scammer I just tell them they are rejected and I refuse to rent to them. --72.231.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 8:08 PM
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Posing as the LL and taking a deposit is a common scam.
If they want to argue just walk away.
BRAD --68.50.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by OPM [OR]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 8:36 PM
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BBB: The better business bureau is not a government agency OR a judicial body and has no legal authority.
It is a private business, and it has no effect outside of its members.
It does not resolve disputes without voluntary agreement of either parties or members; its actions are not binding unless agreed.
Its function is for consumers to call before buying products or services, or complain about a member.
When people complain to third parties such as the BBB they often waive privilege for legal ‘action’.
--162.247.xx.xx |
to prove (by Livethedream [AZ]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 9:55 PM
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It is a legit concern nowadays. But if you structured your title well there is no way they can verify you are the owner.
The guy I mentioned on another thread that was renting houses he didn't own. He got about 6 months, now he's out and causing problems again. The whole town is onto him, surprised he hasn't left yet, guess he likes our jail. But this is why tenants are concerned. If they lose their deposit to a criminal they could end up homeless.
I had a couple of people ask on the phone over the years to prove I was the owner. My response was along the line of, "Well we run (a well known local business) and I'm 'Commissioner' LTD, you can come by the office if you like." That seemed to be satisfactory. Can't recall if I rented to them or not. --47.216.xx.xxx |
to prove (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 10:12 PM
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I send them to the county's CAD site that shows my property and that my company owns it. If they ask further, I send them to the State Comptroller acct and have them look up the Corp. Shows me as member of board.
Best proof because none of it comes from me. --108.69.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by LordZen [MA]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 10:38 PM
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-Livethedream [AZ] how can you structure your title so the people/tenants cannot verify that i am the owner?
-Landlord ofthe Flies [TX] let me see if i undestand: you have a company that owns your property, and your own company shows you as a member of the board?
Sorry for the questions guys, i am a newbie trying to learn.
--73.159.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 1:22 AM
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Yes, I have a "Housing" certificate stating that all of the units in each building are registered, fee's paid and I am the owner of record. I also have the water utility bill listing me as the payer/owner. I also tell the applicant that they can ask any of my other tenants who is the owner, manager and person they pay their rents too... --47.156.xx.xx |
to prove (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 4:39 AM
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If you pull out your master key and open the doors, that alone is sufficient to 99% people..
My handyman looks like a criminal, but he had the key to open the vacation apt to show. People always gave him cash to apply w/ no problem. (We are city, less scammer in that area I suppose) --71.232.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 4:43 AM
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The first hint of threatening or bullying and we are done. I don't put up with that from tenants and I sure am not going to put up with it from an applicant.
"My attorney" at any point in the application process is an automatic rejection.
I do recomend to tenants that they be careful and verifying ownership is part of being careful, but I don't think I've ever had any applicant do anything more than to ask me if I am the owner. That seems to be as far as they want to go with their landlord screening. --174.216.x.xxx |
to prove (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 4:52 AM
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CJ, did your tenant show the house without you there? If they weren’t there and you had the master key, it usually shows you are legit. If the tenant is home while you show it, your interactions with the tenant are usually enough for people to feel comfortable. Based on her doubt and threats, I would not bother to prove anything and count my blessings she won’t apply. Easier than denying. --24.61.xxx.xx |
to prove (by MC [PA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 5:02 AM
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I would just quit talking to them. Sounds like they will be more trouble than they are worth. Yes, they can verify that you are the owner on their own. Why wouldn't you take them to the rental to look at it? Where they going to rent it sight unseen? They will just have you prove this and that.. You already don't like them, just say no. Lie-say you have another applicant if you want but don't rent to them-it will only get worse. --73.230.xx.xx |
to prove (by Rich [PA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 5:23 AM
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Landlording is not rocket science but does take a fair bit of common sense. After reading the first 10 words out of this prospect's mouth, I (and probably most of the landlords on this board) determined that this candidate is never going to be one of my tenants.
Wow.
--100.6.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by 1Gr81 [NC]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 5:39 AM
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As stated above....That tenant did you a huge favor and self eliminated from the potential tenant pool. Don't walk...RUN away from this one!
--74.124.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 5:46 AM
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CJ, you have mentioned the BBB several times over the years and I just don't understand your concern with this? I am not a member of the BBB and a complaint to them about me would carry no weight at all with anyone. If you are going to worry about anyone you should worry more about social media than the BBB.
I solve the owner/manager question by saying, "Our company owns the house, and I manage it." I do not accept payments directly from anyone, they send it to my bank using my bank account number or to my email address via Zelle.
Having said all that, this particular person sounds particularly difficult, and you are well rid of her. --50.82.xxx.xx |
to prove (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 5:47 AM
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I don't have to prove anything to any prospects. They have to prove things to me. --74.37.xx.xx |
to prove (by Lucy [IN]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 6:51 AM
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It is a legit question with all the scamming sofistication happening. She was rude and all, but it should be handled in a better way than a "I aint gott prove nothin to nobody` --69.160.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 7:41 AM
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The current tenant still live there and showed the house to them. Normally I would meet them at least once at the house if the house is vacant.
I do nto think they will be perfect tenant of ours. I asked first, last month and 2 month security. She agreed and wants to pay half to hold the house. I did not push her.
She can have their concern and not to deal with us, but "House in forclosure", " realtor License" and BBB are too much.
--97.91.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 7:49 AM
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You are opening yourself up to tremendous liability sending a prospective tenant to view a unit and having the current occupant show them around with you not there.
App or no app.
What if they attack them? Rob them? Rape them? Kill them? You're done. What if your current occupant does that to a person viewing the unit?
Wait until it's vacant. Pre-advertising and pre-showing is somewhat of an art that comes with experience and honestly your struggling with some basics still. I still struggle with showing early and am not entirely comfortable with it. Get your units back first. --74.37.xx.xx |
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 8:02 AM
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NE, We have all prospects to schedule showing at one time a week like open house for about 15 min. It is like open house, but they need to schedule too. --97.91.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 8:07 AM
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CJ, that's even worse. A bunch of people going through a tenants unit without you there.
Even with you there, a bunch of people at once a is even more liabitly, especially for theft. --74.37.xx.xx |
to prove (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 8:22 AM
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NE is right, showing a bunch of unrelated tenants at once in an occupied home means you can't keep an eye on them. I've had tenants circle back to take pics and I'm going back with them - I don't want any thefts under my watch.
We schedule 15 minutes apart but the second group doesn't get in until the first group is out. --50.82.xxx.xx |
to prove (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 8:41 AM
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I didn't read through the prior responses so I'm guessing several have stated what I think is obvious. You had someone else show the property and then you met her in a store. Then, you wishy washy state that the owner's info is public info?!?!?!?
Yet you wonder why she questions you? --72.70.xxx.x |
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 8:42 AM
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It is about three each time. about 50% scheduled people not come. --97.91.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 8:46 AM
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I meet her at the store only because she wanted. Just try to be nice to her and not to bother current tenant. She does not have all move in fund.
She does not have to meet with me or not have to pay. I am busy and deal with hundreds people per month. Want to be efficient. --97.91.xxx.xxx |
to prove (by Tom [FL]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 10:01 AM
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"My attorney said the house is forclosure, why do you rent it?" "My attorney said you need realtor license". I do not want to bother current resident just to prove I am manager. I do not want to deal with this prospect. Then she started to threaten to report me to BBB for scamer. I said "Ok, I will meet you at the house to prove I am not scamer"
"My Attorney" this is the first and ONLY red flag screening issue. Self Screened Out, No longer a prospect for the unit.
"MY Attorney said this house is foreclosure" it's possible this person is related to or was the delinquent owner that was foreclosed on by the bank.
"Report to BBB" ok sooo how many tenants call the BBB about LL's
"Your a Scammer" Well NE has been called this so YOUR A SCAMMER...
...join the Club!!!
At least you were not called a "SLUMLORD" --99.56.xx.xx |
to prove (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 11:12 AM
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I would want proof the house is in foreclosure, even if it was you are still entitled to operate your business until the court takes it away - kinda like living there till you get evicted.... --76.188.xxx.xx |
to prove (by cjl [NY]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 11:43 AM
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Some I manage for others and some I actually own. Depending on what's going on I typically will always just indicate that I am the property manager or the agent that is just finding/locating a tenant for the property.
If someone doesn't feel that is accurate - that's their problem, not mine. I don't really care if they feel I'm being honest or not - I'm not proving ANYTHING. If they want the apartment then they need to deal with me. If they want to deal with someone else - they don't get the apartment. Very simple process. NEXT! --69.201.xx.xxx |
to prove (by melinda [MD]) Posted on: Sep 23, 2018 12:36 PM
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Think that this is not a person that you should deal with. There are enough problem people out there. Let them go. --24.233.xxx.xx |
to prove (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Sep 24, 2018 6:04 PM
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CJ, you got lot of good info from the folks above, and now you can see all the red flags from this person.
But the thing I worry about most is:you just don't seem to GET IT. You are still coming way to far in people's direction, way too accommodating, willing to prove yourself upon demand. STOP DOING THAT. People see that as weakness and they WILL walk on you, argue with you, demand from you,etc. You are a business woman. You don't take that behavior. They need your property, and they follow YOUR rules. You make applicants come to YOU-meet where it is convenient for YOU. You don't owe anyone any proof for anything. They don't like it--well, tufy-wufy. If anyone says ANYTHING about a lawyer, or is nasty in any way--they're done--you walk away.
You will only rent to courteous people who give you R-E-S-P-E-C-T. They have to prove to you that THEY are worthy of your unit. They do this by fully filling out the application, providing SSN and proof of income, and having no negative criminal record or evictions. Then, they will meet you at the property, with the full amount of sec deposit in hand, AND 1st month's rent, AND initial all paragraphs of the lease and sign it.
If you get ATTITUDE at any point in this procedure--they don't get to rent the property! NEXT! You are the boss, you make the rules, you don't accommodate anyone. Not current tenants--not prospective tenants. Demand respect and you will get it. --108.87.xx.xxx |
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