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Just curious (by Roy [AL]) Sep 20, 2018 5:21 AM
       Just curious (by S i d [MO]) Sep 20, 2018 5:38 AM
       Just curious (by myob [GA]) Sep 20, 2018 5:38 AM
       Just curious (by AllyM [NJ]) Sep 20, 2018 5:43 AM
       Just curious (by NE [PA]) Sep 20, 2018 5:50 AM
       Just curious (by Homer [TX]) Sep 20, 2018 5:51 AM
       Just curious (by Roy [AL]) Sep 20, 2018 5:55 AM
       Just curious (by WMH [NC]) Sep 20, 2018 6:05 AM
       Just curious (by Roy [AL]) Sep 20, 2018 6:09 AM
       Just curious (by Nicole [PA]) Sep 20, 2018 6:10 AM
       Just curious (by Jason [MI]) Sep 20, 2018 6:25 AM
       Just curious (by LisaFL [FL]) Sep 20, 2018 6:28 AM
       Just curious (by fred [CA]) Sep 20, 2018 6:42 AM
       Just curious (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 20, 2018 6:47 AM
       Just curious (by fred [CA]) Sep 20, 2018 6:48 AM
       Just curious (by Shelby [IA]) Sep 20, 2018 7:04 AM
       Just curious (by Jim in O C [CA]) Sep 20, 2018 7:09 AM
       Just curious (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Sep 20, 2018 7:16 AM
       Just curious (by Roy [AL]) Sep 20, 2018 7:26 AM
       Just curious (by kkezir [KS]) Sep 20, 2018 7:35 AM
       Just curious (by Robin [FL]) Sep 20, 2018 7:43 AM
       Just curious (by RichE [IL]) Sep 20, 2018 7:50 AM
       Just curious (by Jim in O C [CA]) Sep 20, 2018 8:06 AM
       Just curious (by JB [OR]) Sep 20, 2018 8:10 AM
       Just curious (by Robert J [CA]) Sep 20, 2018 8:38 AM
       Just curious (by gevans [SC]) Sep 20, 2018 9:26 AM
       Just curious (by CJ [MO]) Sep 20, 2018 9:32 AM
       Just curious (by Robin [WI]) Sep 20, 2018 9:57 AM
       Just curious (by Lynda [TX]) Sep 20, 2018 10:19 AM
       Just curious (by AllyM [NJ]) Sep 20, 2018 10:47 AM
       Just curious (by Deanna [TX]) Sep 20, 2018 11:23 AM
       Just curious (by RentsDue [MA]) Sep 20, 2018 12:47 PM
       Just curious (by Ken [NY]) Sep 20, 2018 1:53 PM
       Just curious (by Tarheel T [NC]) Sep 22, 2018 6:24 AM


Just curious (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 5:21 AM
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In your rental business, does it take more than one month's rent to pay your property taxes for each rental house? Also, same question applies to property insurance also. And if you have a mortgage on a property, does the monthly rent cover that payment ? --68.63.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 5:38 AM
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Most of my humble Class C abodes have yearly tax bills between $250 - $400. Rents are between $425 - $600. So, about 2/3 of one month just to cover the taxes.

Insurance runs about $400/year/unit. Less per unit in a multi. --173.20.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 5:38 AM
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The break down for us: say on 900.00 rental-- minus T&I (set aside) leaves about 700.00 NOI for month-- enough for insurance one month. Taxes (property) maybe 1 3/4 month to 2 months 1200.00 to 1400.00 needed to cover.

--99.103.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 5:43 AM
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This year the property tax has gone over one month's rent from the entire property by a hundred bucks on each property. The insurance is aprrox. a thousand dollars per property per year, so a hundred dollars a month or a little less. --73.178.xxx.xx




Just curious (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 5:50 AM
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If the rent doesn't cover the mortgage, why would someone own it? Appreciation only markets or not, that's just dumb. My opinion, of course.

One month of rents cover taxes on some, not all. --74.37.xx.xx




Just curious (by Homer [TX]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 5:51 AM
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Here in Texas, my local county , city. The local tax rate is 2.7 percent of the appraised value. So on a 135k appraised value I pay. $3654 a year. Rents are averaging $1350! A month right now. So it almost takes a full 3 months to pay the tax bill each year. I do aggressively protest the appraised value each year, which generally puts me 25-40 k below market vaiue.. as far as a mortgage. Yes, rent covers that as well. When I first started I wanted to clear about $250 a month after setting aside taxes, insurance and mortgage. On those I mortgaged, now I clear from 500-600 a month. Time really made a difference in positive cash flow. Yes taxes are high here, but it’s a booming state with thousands moving to Texas each day. Rents will continue to increase. --75.141.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 5:55 AM
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Sid,

My T&I are almost identical to yours. One exception though, I have one MH on a private lot and the taxes and insurance on MH's here are dirt cheap compared to real stick built houses. My only MH is probably the best cash cow I have in inventory. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 6:05 AM
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Good question.

Most of our more newly acquired properties are off-island mobile homes, modular homes or other quirky buildings and the taxes are relatively cheap and so is the dwelling insurance. But WIND insurance is expensive regardless of property, and on the island everything is more expensive. But all that said, yes, a month's rent covers it all for all houses, I just checked to be sure!

We only have one mortgage, and the rent on that place covers that monthly payment AND the annual taxes and insurance. --50.82.xxx.xx




Just curious (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 6:09 AM
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NE,

If you are fortunate enough to own property in areas that consistently appreciate 5-10% a year, it can make sense to own property that breaks even each month. Here rent covers the mortgage and all maintenance cost but just breaks even each month. RE speculators either get rich or go broke with this strategy. You have to buy when the market is down and sell when the market is up. Most of the investors I have known who did this went bust in 2008 when the market crashed. They got stuck holding a lot of those Class A beach front condo's. --68.63.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 6:10 AM
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no where close.

one month's rent more than covers the insurance.

taxes are at about 2.5 to 3 months rent.

example -

In the suburbs, house assessed at $108,000. taxes approx. $2400. HO Insurance $804. Rent $1020.

In the city, house assessed at $28,000. Taxes approx. $3000. HO insurance (for limited coverage, insurance company due to the area reduced coverage) is $580. Rent is $750.

--72.70.xxx.x




Just curious (by Jason [MI]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 6:25 AM
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In michigan for me atleast my sfh homes for non homestead run about 1600 to 2000 a year an insurance around 550 year. Rents around 800 a month. So about 3 months to cover taxes an insurance --107.77.xxx.xx




Just curious (by LisaFL [FL]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 6:28 AM
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At least two months rent to cover taxes, one month for insurance. --75.89.xx.xxx




Just curious (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 6:42 AM
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Roy,

In CA, it depends on when you purchased the property.

1. If a person buys a house today, property tax is 1.25% of the assessed value (very close to the purchase price). Prop tax increases by up to 3% every year there after.

Example: purchase price - $500,000, 1st year prop tax - $6,250, expected rent - $2,500. So, it would take over 2 mos to pay the prop tax.

Then you have a mortgage payment which depends on the loan amount and other factors. Insurance is about the same in most states.

Not a good deal, is it? What motivates people to become LLs is the built in appreciation which is an equity builder. Example: This half a million dollar house today, was about $100K 25-30 years ago. You can see how CA real estate rewards those who are persistent, patient and dedicated to their long term goals.

2. If you bought before proposition 13 (in the 80s), your prop tax is much lower and much more manageable.

--99.59.x.xxx




Just curious (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 6:47 AM
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Two months rent, or more for taxes, about 1/4 -1/3 months rent for insurance. In Central Oregon, taxes were also two months rent, insurance closer to a full months rent. --174.216.x.xx




Just curious (by fred [CA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 6:48 AM
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PLUS: In CA, home prices are mostly a reflection of housing needs and speculation (the Demand side), combined with supressed Supply (due to desirable land shortage, over regulation, etc.).

--99.59.x.xxx




Just curious (by Shelby [IA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 7:04 AM
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My rental’s are all paid for. (One smart thing we did after making a huge profit selling our 8 year primary home, was paying the last rental off.) The insurance is only $50-60 a month per property and the property taxes I pay twice a year. One month of rent easily covers both. Our cheapest property tax is $658/year and our most expensive is $1142/year. --173.26.xx.xxx




Just curious (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 7:09 AM
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I don’t know where Fred got 3%. It’s been max 2% for as long as I can remember. The house I bought in 89 for $236K now worth $775K. Original rent was $950 now $2950 and taxes $4900. Taxes take about 1.5 months income.

Our proposition 13 saved a lot of people from losing their homes. Our democrats and Gov Moonbeam would like to take it away. Our 13% income tax and in some places 9.75% sales tax is high compared to other states. --71.38.x.xxx




Just curious (by Oregon Woodsmoke [ID]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 7:16 AM
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Additional note, taxes are high both in Oregon and Idaho, but in Oregon, we always wondered where the money went. At least in Idaho, I am seeing something for my money. Roads are plowed immediately, road repairs are done, the library system is excellent, in my few contacts with the police, I am pleased with the police service. Schools look well maintained.

That takes the sting out of it a little bit, when I at least get some services for all the money I give them. --174.216.x.xx




Just curious (by Roy [AL]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 7:26 AM
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One reason property taxes are low in AL is because many of the state legislators here are landlords,...they just don't advertise it when they are running for re-election. One of the well known state senators here (from my county) is also a slumlord with over 50 dumpy rental houses,...I am not kidding! --68.63.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by kkezir [KS]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 7:35 AM
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I thought this was a very interesting question and made me go out and look. We have middle of the road rentals mostly in working class neighborhoods... and a few in not so nice.

Our rent range is 585-1095 with the average of 740.

It takes just shy of a months rent to pay insurance including umbrella and inland marine.

It takes 1.25 month's rent to pay property taxes :(

--165.201.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by Robin [FL]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 7:43 AM
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It takes about 1-1/4 months rent to cover my taxes & special assessment. One month's rent covers the insurance. --108.188.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by RichE [IL]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 7:50 AM
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Taxes = 162% of one month's rent

Insurance = 83% of one month's rent

Of course we are assuming 100% occupancy, which does not happen for me. --67.186.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by Jim in O C [CA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 8:06 AM
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On House I mentioned above if I bought today the taxes would be $9687.50. --71.38.x.xxx




Just curious (by JB [OR]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 8:10 AM
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The closer you get to Portland the higher the tax and insurance generally. It's pretty normal for taxes to be 2.5 to 3 times the rent and insurance generally under one month's rent for SFH's.

--24.20.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 8:38 AM
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You ask a couple of great questions. Fred (CA) gave a great answer as to California properties. Since I've owned income property over the last 40 years, the most important factor is year and tax base when purchased vs the current rents.

In my older properties, it only takes half a months rent to cover the property tax. IN my new properties, it takes up to 2-1/2 months to cover the property taxes. The insurance is based of replacement costs and generally takes a months rent to cover. --47.156.xx.xx




Just curious (by gevans [SC]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 9:26 AM
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On my MHs with land, one month's rent MORE than covers taxes.

On my 3/2 brick houses, two month's rent for taxes, and another month for insurance.

My return is better than 20% on my MHs, but the maintenance, turnovers, and tenant drama is much higher. --98.122.x.xx




Just curious (by CJ [MO]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 9:32 AM
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SFH, text is about 2 month rent, Insurance about 30% month rent.

Multi family, text 1 month rent, Insurance 50% of rent --97.91.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 9:57 AM
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In my city in Wisconsin, it takes about 2 1/2 months of rent to cover taxes.

1/3 mo. rent to pay insurance, but I have ACV, not replacement insurance, on my properties.

In Ohio, it's about 2 months of rent to pay taxes. --204.210.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by Lynda [TX]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 10:19 AM
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Starting in year 2000, all my properties were bought between $50-$65K w/15 yr loans. I sold them slowly as the loans amortized down. All that time I pulled in $200-$300 over the cost of the monthly PITI. That money built up to cover repairs and vacancies, which I had a lot of in the beginning, but accumulated nicely as I became a better LL. --108.87.xx.xxx




Just curious (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 10:47 AM
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My post should read, one month's rent per quarterly tax payment plus a hundred dollars. It's over four months rent per year. My big duplex has a property tax of $8,000 per year or $2,000 per quarter plus a hundred bucks. The rent for the two units comes to $2,000 --73.178.xxx.xx




Just curious (by Deanna [TX]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 11:23 AM
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Some of my newer-built houses (post-1950) are in the $1220/year property taxes, $550/month rent range. (Taxes = 2.2 months' rent.)

My older-built houses (pre-1950) are more in the $400/year property taxes, $475/month rent range. (Taxes = 0.84 months' rent.)

The rent I ask for is based on bedrooms, not the newness of the house. --96.46.xxx.xx




Just curious (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 12:47 PM
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I feel like I'm getting screwed after hearing what every one else pays for taxes. All my rentals are about $6000.00 per year each for taxes. I might as well be in California. Insurance on each pad is about $2000.00 a year each. They take in more than enough to cover it and have built some serious equity but the numbers are a bit ridiculous. It doesn't IEven include trash pickup. That is a seperate bill, as well as the seperate municipal bill that charges by the square footage of your roof and driveway for the rain runoff. --71.10.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Sep 20, 2018 1:53 PM
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I am at about 3 months of rent to cover a year of taxes,as an example I have a 4 unit in a bad neighborhood,we cant sell it for $45000 but the taxes are $6000 year which includes water,ssewer and trash pickup.We collect $2000 month if it stays full and everyone pays --72.231.xxx.xxx




Just curious (by Tarheel T [NC]) Posted on: Sep 22, 2018 6:24 AM
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All I do is section 8 mobile homes with me owning home and land. no mortgages. Average rent 900. average property tax 375. just a gen liability policy $500/year covering all properties, self insure for hazards. --71.85.xxx.xx





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