 End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Tom J [KY]) Jan 19, 2018 7:45 PM
 End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Vee [OH]) Jan 19, 2018 8:09 PM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Tom J [KY]) Jan 19, 2018 8:22 PM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Jan 19, 2018 8:44 PM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Jan 20, 2018 4:44 AM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by razorback_tim [AR]) Jan 20, 2018 4:55 AM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by razorback_tim [AR]) Jan 20, 2018 4:56 AM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by AllyM [NJ]) Jan 20, 2018 5:59 AM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Sisco [MO]) Jan 20, 2018 6:09 AM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Tom J [KY]) Jan 20, 2018 7:42 AM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by TOM [FL]) Jan 20, 2018 9:17 AM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by MJ [OH]) Jan 21, 2018 4:06 AM
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Tom J [KY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2018 7:45 PM
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Hello, I have a question about the walk-through at the end of a lease in Kentucky. Do I have to do the walk-through checklist with the tenant while they still live at the property? That seems like that would only be a nightmare and nonstop arguing. It says at the termination of occupancy. Can someone please explain, I am new and don't want to screw up my first move out. Do I only have to do it with the tenant if they request that? Here is the statute. Thank you.
(3) At the termination of occupancy, the landlord shall inspect the premises and
compile a comprehensive listing of any damage to the unit which is the basis for
any charge against the security deposit and the estimated dollar cost of repairing
such damage. The tenant shall then have the right to inspect the premises to
ascertain the accuracy of such listing. The landlord and the tenant shall sign the
listing, which signatures shall be conclusive evidence of the accuracy of such
listing. If the tenant shall refuse to sign such listing, he shall state specifically in
writing the items on the list to which he dissents, and shall sign such statement of
dissent.
--173.239.xxx.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2018 8:09 PM
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Sounds like you have to go thru together, no pricing discussion - we will try to get a few estimates... Basically tenant pays for broken doors, windows, screens, cabinet doors - damage, tenant should also wash walls - baseboards - windows and water fixtures to insure sanitation. Owner has to pay -worn- carpet, brass worn off doorknobs, dripping faucets that bad management did not fix earlier, cracks in cement block walls - nearly everything exterior is owner unless driven over by lawn parking problems. --76.188.xxx.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Tom J [KY]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2018 8:22 PM
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It does say on the first line "At the termination of occupancy". It does not say before it says "at". What I get from that is when the lease has ended the tenant can walk-through with me if they choose to do so after they have left the property empty and the lease is over.
I can mention it to them "at the termination" of the lease and if they do not follow through then that's that. I really wish these dumb people that write law would just write it out so there is no grey area. It is so very frustrating. I am finding the more I read about landlord/tenant law the more grey areas I find. --173.239.xxx.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: Jan 19, 2018 8:44 PM
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I never do a walk through until the property is completely empty. I begin by taking a complete set of pix which I compare to those taken at move-in. I also have their signed copy of the move in inspection.
Some tenants want to do the walk through with me most do not.
While we have 30 days for a final accounting I send them a preliminary report within a day or two of my walk through with copies of both sets of pictures and detail of what, if any, deductions will be made from the SD. I rarely get any blow back but there are occasional disagreements.
Based on your local requirement you might want to have the tenant meet you for the walk through. It doesn't have to be confrontational providing you can document the damage. All states allow "normal wear and tear" and that is more of an art than a science. The length of time they lived there as well as the number of occupants will be a factor in determining what is a reasonable amount of normal wear and tear.
--71.75.xx.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Mike SWMO [MO]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 4:44 AM
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AT THE TERMINATION OF OCCUPANCY
I think I agree with you. This means after they have moved out and given you keys or possession. I am sure you have heard of a “holdover” tenant. No matter what the “paper” says until they have vacated and given you ALL keys they have not terminated.
LANDLORD SHALL INSPECT THE PREMISES ... MAKE A LIST …
You do your walk through by yourself or invite the tenant to go with you. Your choice.
THE TENANT THEN SHALL THEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO INSPECT
Give written notice to tenant that you have done the inspection and invite him to do his walk through with you.
THE LANDLORD AND THE TENANT SHALL SIGN THE LISTING …REFUSAL OF TENANT TO SIGN … DISSENT
Gook luck with that if you have listed damage.
Is there any place that says how much time or in what time period you must make your inspection --- or return the security deposit.
Here in MO we must give the tenant the opportunity to do the walk through with us at a reasonable time of our choosing. We have 30 days to complete I believe. Anything over a week is “setting on your hands” as a famous poster so often says.
Thanks for the check. That's about what this opinion is worth.
--173.187.xxx.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 4:55 AM
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I have a very similar interpretation as Mike SWMO - great minds think alike. I would always do my own inspection without the tenant there. This allows you to take all of the time you want without someone looking over your shoulder.
It does require that you have estimated charges listed on your damage list. That's where the rub will be. If you have well-documented move-in condition then damages are easy to document and hard to argue with, but tenants seem to think that everything can be done for no or very little money. I would suggest you consider adding a schedule of standard charges to your lease. These would be your most common items - paint room/wall, clean tub, clean toilet, clean appliances, replace blinds, etc., all other items at time & material with time billed at $35/hr - so that the tenant has already agreed what these items will cost and reduces their argument against the charges. --70.178.x.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 4:56 AM
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I would add - to be certain, it may be worth you spending some $$ to visit with an expert landlord-tenant attorney in your area. --70.178.x.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 5:59 AM
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That is crazy. It often takes time to find the things they have hidden. Here is what I would do. I would wait until the tenant has vacated and then go through the property and find everything as fast as you can. For example, one tenant filled in deep woodwork gouges that his dogs made, with plaster. I didn't find them until I repainted and found the difference in texture.
Then I would invite the tenant back to look at what I found. I would have a nice big friend there with me in case of a problem. That's when I would sign something with the tenant. Sounds like people who run your state like chaos. They must be from the D party. --73.33.xxx.xxx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 6:09 AM
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You cannot permit the former tenant to move out on the last day of lease term, then get your walk through, and charges list to them, get your house repaired and back on the market.
Write your lease so that tenant is paying for turnover time. --72.172.xxx.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by Tom J [KY]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 7:42 AM
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To respond to Mike's comment I have 30-60 days to return the security deposit. I believe it is 30 days or less if tenants sends in written request, 30-60 otherwise. Doesn't matter anyways since It will be done the first week or two regardless.
I think I am overthinking this. I have 30-40 move in pictures, video walkthrough and a signed walk-in checklist with me and the tenant and a list of basic charges and labor fees/cleaning fees for turnover on a separate page on my lease.
I also send the tenant as soon as I hear about the moveout a very thorough list of what we expect done before leaving and what to clean so they can receive the maximum amount of security back.
I can't imagine a judge arguing with the fact of before and after pictures or evidence I bag up along with the other procedures I mentioned. Also the fact that I send them an itemized list of all reasonable damages within the time frame. Then add in the fact that I have the charges on the lease that they sign.
I am not dealing with an volatile tenant while I tell him everything that is wrong, then make him sign the walkout sheet as well. Sounds ludicrous to me and can only result in an altercation. If anything I can say I he refused the walkthrough. I am an a honest man so my conscience is clear. Sometimes the law really seems to be ridiculous in some cases. Thank you for all the feedback. --173.239.xxx.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by TOM [FL]) Posted on: Jan 20, 2018 9:17 AM
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TomJ of KY, Chill for a minute...
...Did you do the check in list when the tenant moved in? Either the tenant did it on their own or with you. You may have taken pictures at check-in.
Send tenant check out letter with your requirements final walk through will occur once they have vacated the premises.
The original check in list make copies of it. Keep originals in the units file.
Now Breath!!! --99.56.xx.xx |
End of Lease Walkthrugh (by MJ [OH]) Posted on: Jan 21, 2018 4:06 AM
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Tom, everyone's interpretation of the law is just their opinion, not a legal opinion. I would reach out to a local LL group and find an attorney with experience in LL/tenant law. You should have someone in your arsenal anyway. --174.105.xxx.xxx |
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