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WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 28, 2017 4:51 AM
       WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Dec 28, 2017 4:57 AM
       WWYD? (by razorback_tim [AR]) Dec 28, 2017 5:02 AM
       WWYD? (by Doogie [KS]) Dec 28, 2017 5:14 AM
       WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Dec 28, 2017 5:17 AM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 28, 2017 5:18 AM
       WWYD? (by Sisco [MO]) Dec 28, 2017 5:26 AM
       WWYD? (by Still Learning [NH]) Dec 28, 2017 5:27 AM
       WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Dec 28, 2017 5:28 AM
       WWYD? (by rentON [PA]) Dec 28, 2017 5:45 AM
       WWYD? (by Johnny B. [MA]) Dec 28, 2017 5:47 AM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 28, 2017 5:53 AM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 28, 2017 5:57 AM
       WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Dec 28, 2017 5:58 AM
       WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Dec 28, 2017 6:01 AM
       WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Dec 28, 2017 6:12 AM
       WWYD? (by Ken [NY]) Dec 28, 2017 6:18 AM
       WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Dec 28, 2017 6:22 AM
       WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Dec 28, 2017 6:23 AM
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       WWYD? (by Sisco [MO]) Dec 28, 2017 6:31 AM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 28, 2017 6:40 AM
       WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Dec 28, 2017 6:41 AM
       WWYD? (by Del [MD]) Dec 28, 2017 6:45 AM
       WWYD? (by S i d [MO]) Dec 28, 2017 6:46 AM
       WWYD? (by AllyM [NJ]) Dec 28, 2017 6:49 AM
       WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Dec 28, 2017 6:57 AM
       WWYD? (by AllyM [NJ]) Dec 28, 2017 7:02 AM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 28, 2017 7:09 AM
       WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Dec 28, 2017 7:16 AM
       WWYD? (by TenantWhisperer [MA]) Dec 28, 2017 8:54 AM
       WWYD? (by Laura [MD]) Dec 28, 2017 9:10 AM
       WWYD? (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Dec 28, 2017 9:15 AM
       WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Dec 28, 2017 11:19 AM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 28, 2017 1:21 PM
       WWYD? (by J [FL]) Dec 28, 2017 2:41 PM
       WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Dec 28, 2017 5:15 PM
       WWYD? (by Still Learning [NH]) Dec 28, 2017 5:58 PM
       WWYD? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Dec 28, 2017 8:37 PM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 29, 2017 5:11 AM
       WWYD? (by Jo [CT]) Dec 29, 2017 5:50 AM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 29, 2017 7:46 AM
       WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Dec 29, 2017 5:23 PM
       WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Dec 29, 2017 5:55 PM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 30, 2017 5:05 AM
       WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Dec 30, 2017 5:10 AM
       WWYD? (by J [FL]) Dec 30, 2017 5:10 AM
       WWYD? (by Pat [VA]) Dec 30, 2017 8:52 AM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 30, 2017 10:33 AM
       WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Dec 30, 2017 10:41 AM
       WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Dec 30, 2017 2:13 PM
       WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Dec 30, 2017 4:28 PM


WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 4:51 AM
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New tenant coming in. Driving long-distance from Massachusetts, arriving sometime this afternoon, evening.

Have had security deposit and signed lease for quite a while. Weeks. Clearly told him first month's rent was due before getting keys/possession.

Yesterday nothing. Text him/email him: where is rent? He responds last night that he scheduled it with his bank on the 27th and it will take three business days to hit my account. Which really means next week sometime, since there is a weekend and a holiday in-between.

Would you turn over keys? --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 4:57 AM
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No. Make him get a hotel. --50.32.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by razorback_tim [AR]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:02 AM
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I would not. I have to have all move-in monies in hand before giving possession. --70.182.xx.xx




WWYD? (by Doogie [KS]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:14 AM
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Any time I have done this, I have been burned. Policy now is 100% of anything due must be paid before I release a key. --72.202.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:17 AM
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No keys. Poor planning on his part does not create an emergency on your part.

He will prove it all online via his phone. It will cost him a few nights in hotel. Trained tenant! --99.203.x.xxx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:18 AM
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He said, "I have auto-scheduled all rent payments for the rest of the lease." Fine. But where is FIRST one? Argh. --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:26 AM
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No keys until rent is paid. Donít wait to inform him.

He can get $$ if he isnít a scammer......but you may be asked to refund deposit. --72.172.xxx.xx




WWYD? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:27 AM
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If he could come up with 1-2 weeks rent in cash (amount equal to your comfort zone), I might give him keys to cover the length of time it might take if the bank is printing and mailing a check vs depositing electronically into your account. Once received, adjust the amount owed for the second month. If you are comfortable with this new tenant that they are good for the money this would be a reasonable one time work around with a clear explanation that this will not happen again and the first means the first. --24.61.xxx.xx




WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:28 AM
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WMH, he's not following the system that you've taken years to create. --50.32.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by rentON [PA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:45 AM
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I would NEVER turn over keys until the Security Deposit and Rent are paid in full! --73.236.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by Johnny B. [MA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:47 AM
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If you havenít already, check mass courts . org to make sure heís not running away from an eviction. --24.147.xx.xxx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:53 AM
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I agree with you all. And he still has not answered my questions about when he intends to arrive here. It's freezing outside - literally, which is not typical here - and I'm not meeting someone I don't know after dark in the winter.

He's traveling with wife and 6 year old daughter. He's looking at a 12 hour drive minimum, without weather. Plus he's driving a moving truck, I'm assuming, so slower. Does he plan to start moving in at midnight? Nope.

Very poor planning on his part! Argh. --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:57 AM
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Johnny I did, and I ran a regular background and credit check and found nothing on him. He is actually moving here to replace my departing tenant at her job! She is moving back to Massachusetts. And no, they don't know each other but they learned OF each other due to the job. Luxury boat-building. Entirely coincidence that he is getting her place.

Working with him long-distance was fine until now.

The thing is, I actually believe him when he says he has scheduled it. But I don't have it in my hand, and the message from his bank that he forwarded me does not indicate to where or how it is being sent.

He has known this day was coming for a month. --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:58 AM
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I do confuse... That last month i did hand over keys to a tenant. In a class A condo to a tenant was was outstanding on paper. It could have gone south but it all worked out, she is a person of integrity. However my post above trumps my experience this one time. It will become more of an issue as electronic payments replace cash... And this generation coming wants everything instantly but they don't seen to give a rat's hoot if you do too! Me, me,me...now, now, now. --99.203.x.xxx




WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:01 AM
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Poor planning on his part, all the more reason for you to not give him the keys.

I'm not a big fan of people moving in to my units from far away. There always seems to be extra complications and some goofiness. Tougher to screen in my opinion too.

I prefer local or from a few towns away, whatever.

--50.32.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:12 AM
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Correction....

Confess... Sorry I'm not a speller or a proofreader...lol...im confused and corrected! --99.203.x.xxx




WWYD? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:18 AM
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I wouldn't give him the keys,he also said scheduled all future payments already,that is just to get your greed gland going,even if he did he could cancel it and doubt he has the money in the account now anyway so that is nothing. --72.231.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:22 AM
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NFW.

I would figure out a way to get more of a deposit if possible. This tenant is going to be costly-- he is already and you haven't gottin first months rent. --99.103.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:23 AM
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NFW.

I would figure out a way to get more of a deposit if possible. This tenant is going to be costly-- he is already and you haven't gottin first months rent. --99.103.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:23 AM
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NFW.

I would figure out a way to get more of a deposit if possible. This tenant is going to be costly-- he is already and you haven't gottin first months rent. --99.103.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:23 AM
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N Freakin W.

I would figure out a way to get more of a deposit if possible. This tenant is going to be costly-- he is already and you haven't gottin first month's rent. --99.103.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:23 AM
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N Freakin W.

I would figure out a way to get more of a deposit if possible. This tenant is going to be costly-- he is already and you haven't gottin first month's rent. --99.103.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:23 AM
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N Freakin W.

I would figure out a way to get more of a deposit if possible. This tenant is going to be costly-- he is already and you haven't gottin first month's rent. --99.103.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:23 AM
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N Freakin W.

I would figure out a way to get more of a deposit if possible. This tenant is going to be costly-- he is already and you haven't gottin first month's rent. --99.103.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:31 AM
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W, he can handle this at Walmart money center, or a bank, or he can pay your PayPal account. There is absolutely no need for you to make an exception to your policy. --72.172.xxx.xx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:40 AM
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Yep. But not if he doesn't answer my texts or emails asking about arrival time, etc. --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:41 AM
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I'm sorry for the several posts. I'm not sure what happened? --99.103.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by Del [MD]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:45 AM
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Many years ago I owned a class B rental in Delaware. A female tenant said she did not want to carry large amounts of cash and wanted to use a bank check for first month and security. The tenant worked at the bank the check was drawn on. I called to verify the check AFTER she moved in, insufficient funds. Not sure how she was able to fiddle with a bank check. Fortunately, the state of Delaware has severe penalties for writing a hot check. I told the tenant, " Cover this check or I will be calling the police and your boss at the bank " The money was transferred to cover the check within hours. Cash only from here on out. --96.234.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:46 AM
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I would go silent. Ignore him until you get paid. You've heard the old saying, "Money talks." Well...no money...no talking.

Btw, I hope what you collected was a non-refundable holding FEE, not one of the wonky non-refundable deposits we have all cautioned about on the board a bazillion times. I could see this being a smoke screen.

If you really insist on talking to him...tell him to have his banker call you and verify that he actually scheduled the transfer. I still wouldn't hand him any keys until the money hits my account, but at least you'll know if he's lying. If he is lying, I would revoke his approval, keep the holding fee due to false statements (part of my holding fee agreement specifies I can re-verify any/all references up until and including the minute I hand over keys), and find another tenant.

Yeah, I'm that type of land lord...I insist people follow MY procedures and tell the truth. Shocking in today's world. --173.19.xx.xxx




WWYD? (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:49 AM
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whay ne said --73.33.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 6:57 AM
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Sing with me now....Think if something to do while your waiting...while your waiting... For something new! Like lunch! --99.203.x.xxx




WWYD? (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 7:02 AM
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That should say "What NE said". Sounds like he wants a really cheap place to stay in warmer climate for the winter and the security deposit is all you will get.

No keys until you get first months rent. Give him list of hotels via text or whatever with their phone numbers. He has not fulfilled his end of the contract. --73.33.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 7:09 AM
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Not a holding fee, SID. A full-fledged Security Deposit is in my trust account. A signed lease is in my file. First month's rent is due prior to getting the keys.

SO I have reached out to him a few times, but now you are right, going silent now. --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 7:16 AM
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WMH, I think a signed lease and a security deposit might put you in a sticky situation if it came right down to it.

If I don't get the full rent and security at lease signing, (or discounted rent, $99 special, whatever) I call it a holding fee. I'll take a 50% holding fee to hold the unit for up to 2 weeks.

How did you get into this situation with this guy? Or better yet. How did this guy get you into this situation?

--50.32.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by TenantWhisperer [MA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 8:54 AM
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WMH, while a signed lease is a bit problematic, they have no key = they have not taken possession = The person who signed the lease and gave you partial payment IS NOT A TENANT.

I also recommend going silent. They know what the deal is. --73.16.xxx.x




WWYD? (by Laura [MD]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 9:10 AM
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As others have said, find out your legal position. If legally allowed I would NOT give him the keys. --108.51.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by NC INVESTOR [NC]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 9:15 AM
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If everything looks good and you've already received the SD I would have him give me a personal check to hold until the bank transfer is complete. If it isn't in your account by Tuesday I would deposit the check.

IN NC the courts are tougher on bad checks than they are on back rent especially if the check is over $500. Back rent is civil bad checks are criminal.

As for not a tenant...the fact that you already have the SD along with a signed contract would be hard to argue that he is not a tenant. --71.75.xx.xx




WWYD? (by myob [GA]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 11:19 AM
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I just read the more info you published.

YOU have a tenant. There is a signed contract. any judge i know would say it's your fault if you didn't get the money. You took a deposit and signed the contract. got to ask does tenant have his signed copy?

My take is to tread lightly. what do you do if tenant forces door and moves in?

A mess. --99.103.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 1:21 PM
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Not really a mess, just a screw-up on his part. We decided to let them move in tonight. If rent not paid by the 2nd (because of weekend and holiday) we file that's all. It's not going to happen though. --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 2:41 PM
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I hope it works out and that this was just an inconsequential bump in the road with this tenant.

This kind of issue is one reason that I'm uneasy about taking anyone who doesn't live in this area already.

Although at the same time you never really know anyone until they move in and you've been renting to them for awhile. But at least sometimes there are warning signs during the showing. --72.188.xxx.xx




WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:15 PM
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It will work out. All will be well. No worries. It will be fine. --99.203.x.xxx




WWYD? (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 5:58 PM
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It will most likely be fine and hopefully they start their tenancy thankful and treat your rental respectfully. --24.61.xxx.xx




WWYD? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Dec 28, 2017 8:37 PM
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W,

Good call.

We will give keys with a signed lease, deposit, and a written payment plan for the upcoming rent. We do this because few people have money.

I think this guy had enough right actions to satisfy me - approved, signed, paid deposit, driving in...I'm not sensing "flake".

Other than possibly paying for the last few days of Dec the Jan rent's not due until Tuesday.

Should be simple enough to show the draw on his phone.

As I think about this, we have a new dynamic on money handling. If we want autopayments we have to learn how to deal with the bank's timing.

We're in the people biz, not the house biz. I suspect YOUR people are a bit above average to be living there.

BRAD --68.51.xx.xxx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 29, 2017 5:11 AM
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We let them move in, and apparently Wife is not happy with the place. Another reason sight unseen is not good - but given that the people moving out knew the people moving in through work conversations if nothing else, I felt better about doing it this time. Departing tenants were always happy with the place, the place is clean and in good condition.

Even my cleaning lady, who had never been inside until the other day, commented that it was a nice place. She used the word, "impressed." But it's not a beach mansion, it's a local-housing townhouse.

Going over at noon today to meet them. Hoping that arriving in the dark after the 14-hour drive in freezing weather with a 6-year old contributed to her dissatisfaction hah! --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by Jo [CT]) Posted on: Dec 29, 2017 5:50 AM
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I have at times gone against my usual protocol of all monies up front, however, last year I had a college professor apply for one of my rentals across the country. I got holding fee and all was well.

When she was on her way she informed me that the university would withhold her first 2 weeks pay...I can't exactly remember the details.

She asked if it would be ok to wait, otherwise she could contact her parents in the Netherlands for the funds.

I trusted her and she came through...has been a great tenant. Sometimes there is a last minute glitch and it works out.

I, on the other hand have also had last minute glitches, had to be away on an emergency and had the tenant move in without a lease signing. That worked out also. Sometimes you roll with the punches....life isn't perfect. --72.184.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 29, 2017 7:46 AM
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Well guess what?

They hate the house, cancelled the rent payment (of course) and went to a hotel. They want their Security Deposit back. Their boss is going to help them try to find another place.

One of their complaints was that the floor of the utility closet which contains the water heater and HVAC is dusty.

And they don't like the texture on the walls (kind of a knockdown.)

I asked him, "Why did you not talk to the departing tenants?" who worked for the same company he is coming to join. He said, "That was my fault." You think?

Why do I feel like I was set-up?

Oh well it will rent, and quickly too. Rent On! --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 29, 2017 5:23 PM
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Well then... Rent on! --99.203.x.xxx




WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 29, 2017 5:55 PM
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WMH. You were set up. That's why they didn't give you the money. Next time don't give them the keys.

Please tell me you're keeping their deposit now since you have that signed lease! --50.32.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 30, 2017 5:05 AM
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No I am not "keeping their deposit." When I don't receive rent on Tuesday, I will file for an eviction and receive possession and a judgement for rent past due, and apply their deposit to that. ;)

I have emailed them and offered them an ELT option. They have not responded. I imagine they are discussing their options. Possible re-reading their lease and noting that failure to take possession does not absolve them of their legal responsibilities under the lease. --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 30, 2017 5:10 AM
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WMH, you're in the process of getting burned. They already left and told you they left. Why jump through the hoops of an eviction?

Void the deposit for moving without notice and be done with it. --50.32.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by J [FL]) Posted on: Dec 30, 2017 5:10 AM
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Yes, it does sound like a set up. You were "Plan B" if the company couldn't find them another place?

I think it's good that this happened. They sound dubious and if they had stayed at your place bad things would have happened sooner or later. --72.188.xxx.xx




WWYD? (by Pat [VA]) Posted on: Dec 30, 2017 8:52 AM
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I'm sorry they put you through all of this, but it is probably for the best. Dodging bullets is what I call it. --71.51.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 30, 2017 10:33 AM
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NE, in reading NC laws more closely (again) I find I don't have to file for eviction as there is nothing in the house to evict. NC laws regarding summary ejectment are for dealing with getting someone and especially their possessions out of the house, and I don't have to do that, so good.

As far as rent/voiding the lease goes, I can "enter and re-take" the property 10 days after demand for rent, which was done on the 27th, so on the 7th I can re-rent it again. I know I know - they are not coming back.

But my nightmare is that they DON'T find a place (there is literally NOTHING out there right now, nothing!) and decide to pay rent and demand the keys!

One reasonable place at $1450, but it's a winter rental only. One expensive place at $2600, but it's way far from his work place. And one bottom-floor apartment with no pictures...

Look here: outerbanks.craigslist.org/search/apa?search_distance=25&postal=27981&min_bedrooms=2&availabilityMode=0&pets_cat=1&pets_dog=1&sale_date=all+dates --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Dec 30, 2017 10:41 AM
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Wait the 7 days and send him an SD letter applying the deposit to the unpaid rent. --50.32.xxx.xxx




WWYD? (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Dec 30, 2017 2:13 PM
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NE, exactly! Perfectly wrapped up and legal, no money lost and I have two or three people interested, so it's all good. --173.22.xx.xx




WWYD? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Dec 30, 2017 4:28 PM
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He may change his mind... Two days in hotel with uhaul and kid... --66.87.xx.xx





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