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home theater (by LiveTheDream [AZ]) May 8, 2017 7:56 PM
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home theater (by Amy [MO]) May 8, 2017 8:12 PM
home theater (by DJ [VA]) May 8, 2017 8:15 PM
home theater (by Vee [OH]) May 8, 2017 8:19 PM
home theater (by Amy [MO]) May 8, 2017 8:34 PM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) May 8, 2017 8:39 PM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) May 8, 2017 8:53 PM
home theater (by RathdrumGal [ID]) May 8, 2017 9:31 PM
home theater (by Ken [NY]) May 9, 2017 3:52 AM
home theater (by Still Learning [NH]) May 9, 2017 4:32 AM
home theater (by LindaJ [NY]) May 9, 2017 4:36 AM
home theater (by NE [PA]) May 9, 2017 4:39 AM
home theater (by Pattyk [MO]) May 9, 2017 5:17 AM
home theater (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) May 9, 2017 5:23 AM
home theater (by Frank [NJ]) May 9, 2017 6:23 AM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) May 9, 2017 6:33 AM
home theater (by WMH [NC]) May 9, 2017 6:37 AM
home theater (by AllyM [NJ]) May 9, 2017 8:50 AM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) May 9, 2017 10:03 AM
home theater (by David [MI]) May 9, 2017 11:44 AM
home theater (by Ken [NY]) May 9, 2017 1:26 PM
home theater (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) May 9, 2017 1:32 PM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) May 9, 2017 2:07 PM
home theater (by cjo'h [CT]) May 9, 2017 2:15 PM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) May 9, 2017 2:23 PM
home theater (by cjo'h [CT]) May 9, 2017 2:29 PM
home theater (by Gwen [NY]) May 9, 2017 3:31 PM
home theater (by elliot [RI]) May 10, 2017 2:12 AM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) May 10, 2017 5:16 AM
home theater (by elliot [RI]) May 10, 2017 6:37 PM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) May 10, 2017 8:11 PM
home theater (by cjo'h [CT]) May 11, 2017 11:36 AM
home theater (by cjo'h [CT]) May 11, 2017 11:45 AM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) May 11, 2017 11:49 AM
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 7:44 PM
Iím going to put a home theater into a finished basement of my 8 bedroom student rental.
Iím looking to spend about $2k for projector, receiver, screen, and speakers. For seating I have a couple of couches.
I plan to do the install myself (hopefully with my son's help), using surface wiring and free standing speakers. Does anyone have any experience installing a home theater system and can they give me any tips to do it? My student market doesnít care much about the looks of surface wiring and Iím looking for a relatively easy way to do it.
Any ideas on how to get a ďbasicĒ home theater put in are much appreciated. Thanks, Bill
home theater (by LiveTheDream [AZ]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 7:56 PM
Why? Is there a profit return?
Just going to get broken or cause fights over who watches what. --47.216.xx.xxx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 8:12 PM
LiveTheDream, I could tell you all the reasons, but I think it would be a waste of time as your mind seems to be made up.
If anyone has any tips or thoughts on how to put together a "basic" home theater, I'd love to hear them! Thanks. --73.197.xx.xx
home theater (by Amy [MO]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 8:12 PM
Install a ticket booth. Don't forget the student discount!
home theater (by DJ [VA]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 8:15 PM
Sorry, I don't know how to wire it. But I do wonder if it will cause partying and unwanted wear and tear on your property. It could be THE place for EVERYONE to hang out. I wish you well. Lets us know how it works out --68.105.xxx.xxx
home theater (by Vee [OH]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 8:19 PM
I suggest using conduit to contain the wiring (think ceiling) , suspend a platform just large enough to hold the projector, and mounted speakers with the screw/s tight enough to allow aiming to get the -full sound feeling-, hopefully you will have the blacked out windows insulated like everything else there so a passerby would not get interested in learning what is there and finding out if it will work in the basement where he/she stays with you learning a week later the system was taken, I just spoke with a old classmate of my step daughters who found all the electronic stuff missing from personal home after some college guests came and watched movies at her family home. --76.188.xxx.xx
home theater (by Amy [MO]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 8:34 PM
Just kidding. Kind of.
If you are set on this project, you can use a fish hook style extension rod to help you out if you need to install within a wall. I'd buy one and have it unopened but available.
Perhaps the easiest way would be to run the cable either under baseboards or along the wall/ceiling inside of plastic or metal conduit. No one is tripping or ripping cords. I'd make it strictly a one channel system. It would be setup and no one could mess with input. A lot of kids know how to do this, but some would like to think they do and could mess it up. I'd lock up the main box and speakers and put the key in a place the responsible party alone could access. Make lots of copies of the key. --136.32.xxx.xxx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 8:39 PM
Student discount! That gave me a chuckle. Thanks Vee, you opened my eyes up. I like the platform and the conduit concepts and the theft warning. I did figure the equipment at $2k --70.192.xx.xxx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 8:53 PM
Amy, I posted before I read your last post. You got me thinking "tamper resistant". Thanks. I have had a few students try their hand at "improvements" --70.192.xx.xxx
home theater (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: May 8, 2017 9:31 PM
Are you going to use a digital projector to project onto a screen? Screens are easily made by building your 2 x 2 frame and then stapling the screen fabric (sold at JoAnn's in the curtain fabric section). --98.145.xx.xxx
home theater (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 3:52 AM
My mind is made up the same as LiveTheDream --24.25.xxx.xxx
home theater (by Still Learning [NH]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 4:32 AM
Can you find used so it's cheaper and less apt to be stolen? My son's dive at college has "stadium seating" in the living room for more space. Someone figured out a way with cinder blocks and plywood to raise the back couch up so they could have enough room for 2 couches. Not sure how it would work to connect, but a lot of that age group does the gaming thing. --24.61.xxx.xx
home theater (by LindaJ [NY]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 4:36 AM
Unless you can increase rent dramatically for this, get your money back in a year, I would never spend on this. I agree with the others. Think STUDENTS, with lots of friends, party, possible drinking or drugs that friends may bring in if none of your 8 students don't. Hidden on the basement. NOT a good combination in my book.
Have you checked code enforcement on this? Do you have fire exits? What is your liability if it starts on fire and those kids and friends can't get out? How are you going to keep it from getting stolen or tampered with. I would think security cameras inside would be a privacy problem.
But my mind is made up too. --108.44.xx.xx
home theater (by NE [PA]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 4:39 AM
I think this is improving in the wrong direction. Right thinking, maybe wrong application? --50.32.xxx.xx
home theater (by Pattyk [MO]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 5:17 AM
is surfacing wiring to code?
can a dozen people ever agree on one movie?
will you sell popcorn?
will they come in their PJ's and sit on the floor with their blanket?
Couldn't you buy tickets for everyone to see a movie once a year and be money ahead?
How long will they be students if they are in the basement watching tv? Just curious.
will this be to code? exit door? all that stuff. --173.127.xxx.xx
home theater (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 5:23 AM
I am thinking about my college days........ahhhhhh are you certain you want to do this?
When your students decide to have a bon fire in the living room above it, it might mess up the acoustics in the theater.
Student housing has to be durable and functional. Installing $2,000 of electronics is functional, but I would expect it to last less than a year before it is destroyed or stolen.
You are more than welcome to do as you please.
Students do not always exercise the best judgement, so what engineering stop gaps do you plan on installing. --24.239.xx.xxx
home theater (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 6:23 AM
After reading the cautionary tale I am thinking that in the event of a problem
You made this "attractive nuisance" and you would be liable for the meltdown. Let them party on someplace else. --70.208.xx.xxx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 6:33 AM
Well, I may be foolish but Iím not a fool (Let's hope). Iíve rented to only students for the past 11 years, since I started, so I have a decent idea what theyíre like and what they do. And this may well be a foolish idea, but Iíd like to try it, and if nothing else, Iíll think I will learn something. Iím not mortgaging the family farm. :-) And yes, I do plan to raise the rent substantially and Iím thinking of a break-even of a year or two.
Thanks for the concerns about egress and the like. I hadnít given it much thought, but the area is a finished basement thatís legal and has an egress door.
Actually, the current residents already have a pseudo theater set up and they just have a projector on tall shelf and project onto a wall, They have two couches which they sit on and are giving me after they leave. I planned to improve on what they are doing with a fixed projector, a $200 120Ē screen and possibly something to raise up one of the couches to give a bit of a stadium seating effect. Still Learning, If it was my own house, Iíd go with the cinder block, plywood, to raise one couch, but I am concerned with the liability if it breaks, so I may purchase something if itís less than a few hundred.
Pattyk, qood question about surface wiring. Most of it is low voltage speaker and hdmi, but I did plan to put the power cord in the surface wiring, so that may be a bozo no-no. And funny stuff you wrote: Geeze, my wife and I canít agree on a movie. She likes action and I like well rated dramas. How about, I reserve the right to bring my wife and kids to the movies on occasion?
Ray-N-Pa, I guess I will learn if what you said is true. :-) Hopefully, Iíll be able to come back and post that I raised the rent $1k, and they invite my family to movie night once a week and serve us popcorn and they clean and polish the lens and screen every week. (in my dreams right?)
Thanks everyone for you thoughts and time. Bill
home theater (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 6:37 AM
Remember if it's under $2500 it's deductible under the new safe harbor rules! --173.22.xx.xx
home theater (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 8:50 AM
Gee that's nice of you but it's just going to be a pain. Who is going to clean up all the beer bottles down there? Who is going to shovel up the other stuff when guys bring their girlfriends there? Biohazard! --73.33.xxx.xxx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 10:03 AM
AllyM, I hope I don't sound like a jerk, especially because I always appreciate your input, but what you describe is a typical stereotype that is like the animal house movie.
My reality, renting to students for 11 years, is that they are, on average, respectful, considerate and caring people and I couldn't image any other group in this country I'd like to rent to more than them. --73.197.xx.xx
home theater (by David [MI]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 11:44 AM
blue tooth speakers to cut down on the wiring? Wireless everything except the power. That's all I got. --12.156.xxx.xx
home theater (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 1:26 PM
My recollections of college are a lot more like Animal house than the kids you seem to be renting to. --24.25.xxx.xxx
home theater (by Landlord ofthe Flies [TX]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 1:32 PM
If you're stuck on offering perks, I'd consider a pool table and coin-op video games. Still a perk to students. Problem with equipment is that you have to keep it vented and it's technical. May result in lots of house calls to fix. If it doesn't work perfectly, and it's part of rent, you'll be asked to fix. --99.125.xxx.xxx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 2:07 PM
Thanks David on the blue tooth suggestion. I'm pretty sure though I will be going the route that Amy and Vee suggested with some type of surface wiring.
Ken, I do my best not to rent to Bluto and Flounder.:-) So far my biggest problem was one of the few non-students that I rented to.
Landlord of the Flies, I'm not stuck on offering perks. But I am in a competitive market, so I am stuck on determining what my customer wants, so that I can provide a superior offering. Besides a zero vacancy history, and decent returns, I also really enjoy it.
Thanks for all your thoughts and time. -Bill --73.197.xx.xx
home theater (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 2:15 PM
Bill W, We also had great students,they were the greatest not what Ken alluded to,I never went to high school,so count me out as far as the college scene is concerned .Like someone else mentioned,wireless would be the way go go, electronics have come a long ways in a short period ,more so in a longer period. As far as code enforcement is concerned,I wouldn't worry too much about them,would be a little above their comprehension...............good luck, Charlie................................................................ --174.199.xx.xxx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 2:23 PM
"Above their comprehension". Thanks for the laugh. I'm still smiling.
And thanks too for the encouragement. I've found that being on the road less traveled really makes me feel alive but it's a little lonely at times, so I much appreciate it. -Bill --73.197.xx.xx
home theater (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 2:29 PM
Miss Ally, don't forget the nickle on every empty returned? It adds up fast......................Charlie............................. --174.199.xx.xxx
home theater (by Gwen [NY]) Posted on: May 9, 2017 3:31 PM
Surface wiring can certainly be done to code. You just need to surround the wiring with appropriate raceways or wire-mold or conduits. My electrician did it to install a new light switch for me. --74.70.xx.xx
home theater (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: May 10, 2017 2:12 AM
I have used Legrand Wiremold from homedepot many times, very rigid, surface mount. You can add a bead of caulking so they can't even put their fingers or anything in between the gap.
I have few student rental and know (guess) why Bill does that.. to stay ahead of competition. 8 bedroom unit scares me.. I guess your college nearby is different from the run of the mill colleges out there.. --73.218.xxx.xxx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 10, 2017 5:16 AM
Elliot, I'm curious; why does an 8 bedroom scare you? Thanks. --70.192.xx.xxx
home theater (by elliot [RI]) Posted on: May 10, 2017 6:37 PM
Bill, unless you have some kind of exceptional college.. The news of kids died of binge drinking scares me..
I don't know anything about NJ law, maybe they don't address this.. In my town, they allow maximum 3 unrelated. We have 4 bedrooms, but that is it..
Is it truly 8 bedroom single family or 2-3 multifamily combined? Just curious.. --73.218.xxx.xxx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 10, 2017 8:11 PM
Yes it's truly an 8 bedroom single family. I think when built in 1990 it was designed to serve as off campus housing. As I mentioned, by the grace of God I've never had problems with the students but I will check into what happens when a tragedy like you described, happens in a college town. Thanks! -Bill --70.192.xx.xxx
home theater (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: May 11, 2017 11:36 AM
Nothing to do with Bill's wiring complexity problems.But to Miss Allys surplus empty bottles and cans. In the good old days ,I worked on some of the powerhouses,both during construction and shutdowns.Two of the Labourers put out trash bags in appropriate locations for deposit of emptys.Took home each night and disposed of them for cash.Put their two college age students through four years of college with little of their own money.So there could also be a silver lining, maybe not gold, but close enough...................Charlie..........................just saying...................... --174.199.x.xx
home theater (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: May 11, 2017 11:45 AM
Bill, if the town ever does clamp down, by putting up a few partitions, you could make it a multi to comply......................Charlie.......................................... --174.199.x.xx
home theater (by BillW [NJ]) Posted on: May 11, 2017 11:49 AM
That's a good idea Charlie. I'll keep it for my ace in the hole --70.192.xx.xx