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What to do? (by Q [NE]) Apr 9, 2017 6:42 AM
       What to do? (by Moshe [CA]) Apr 9, 2017 7:21 AM
       What to do? (by AllyM [NJ]) Apr 9, 2017 7:21 AM
       What to do? (by Q [NE]) Apr 9, 2017 7:27 AM
       What to do? (by cjl [NY]) Apr 9, 2017 7:28 AM
       What to do? (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Apr 9, 2017 7:35 AM
       What to do? (by Ken [NY]) Apr 9, 2017 7:39 AM
       What to do? (by Nicole [PA]) Apr 9, 2017 7:47 AM
       What to do? (by Q [NE]) Apr 9, 2017 7:48 AM
       What to do? (by Ken [NY]) Apr 9, 2017 7:53 AM
       What to do? (by Q [NE]) Apr 9, 2017 8:06 AM
       What to do? (by Dave [MO]) Apr 9, 2017 8:08 AM
       What to do? (by NE [PA]) Apr 9, 2017 8:11 AM
       What to do? (by cjl [NY]) Apr 9, 2017 8:17 AM
       What to do? (by cjl [NY]) Apr 9, 2017 8:17 AM
       What to do? (by Blue [IL]) Apr 9, 2017 8:22 AM
       What to do? (by Kyle [IN]) Apr 9, 2017 8:23 AM
       What to do? (by Jan [MO]) Apr 9, 2017 8:42 AM
       What to do? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Apr 9, 2017 8:45 AM
       What to do? (by don [PA]) Apr 9, 2017 8:48 AM
       What to do? (by Julie [KS]) Apr 9, 2017 8:49 AM
       What to do? (by RB [MI]) Apr 9, 2017 9:21 AM
       What to do? (by Q [NE]) Apr 9, 2017 9:22 AM
       What to do? (by NE [PA]) Apr 9, 2017 9:35 AM
       What to do? (by Moshe [CA]) Apr 9, 2017 9:48 AM
       What to do? (by Ken [NY]) Apr 9, 2017 9:49 AM
       What to do? (by OKHMBLDR [OK]) Apr 9, 2017 10:10 AM
       What to do? (by RentsDue [MA]) Apr 9, 2017 10:13 AM
       What to do? (by RB [MI]) Apr 9, 2017 11:47 AM
       What to do? (by Dave [MO]) Apr 9, 2017 12:10 PM
       What to do? (by PGC [VA]) Apr 9, 2017 12:12 PM
       What to do? (by plenty [MO]) Apr 9, 2017 3:01 PM
       What to do? (by plenty [MO]) Apr 9, 2017 3:03 PM
       What to do? (by Robin [WI]) Apr 9, 2017 4:01 PM
       What to do? (by Q [NE]) Apr 9, 2017 5:37 PM
       What to do? (by Robert J [CA]) Apr 9, 2017 8:36 PM
       What to do? (by Rocking Bear [FL]) Apr 9, 2017 9:32 PM
       What to do? (by Janet [KY]) Apr 9, 2017 9:52 PM
       What to do? (by Blue [IL]) Apr 10, 2017 10:25 AM
       What to do? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Apr 10, 2017 10:09 PM
       What to do? (by Chris [CA]) Apr 10, 2017 10:23 PM
       What to do? (by Sisco [MO]) Apr 11, 2017 6:25 AM
       What to do? (by bud [MO]) Apr 11, 2017 6:09 PM
       What to do? (by Q [NE]) Apr 11, 2017 6:19 PM


What to do? (by Q [NE]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 6:42 AM
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My parents have a small 2 bedroom single family home that is rented to a small family 2 adults and 1 child. They have been good tenants up til now. Yesterday my dad found out there is another adult couple living there. When he asked the tenant they got smart with him. I took the lease over there today and showed the tenant where it says they cannot let anyone else live there or it will be grounds for eviction. He said he will move then, and I said yes you will.

Do I post the eviction notice today and put a for rent sign in the yard? What would you all do?

Q-Out

--70.198.xx.xx




What to do? (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 7:21 AM
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" What would you all do? "

Given that you have: "I took the lease over there today and showed the tenant where it says they cannot let anyone else live there or it will be grounds for eviction."

I personally, would take my lease and go with it to a competent attorney and ask about its validity and enforceability in court.

--47.139.xx.xxx




What to do? (by AllyM [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 7:21 AM
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Empty units make no money. I would have asked about the circumstances and asked for more rent due to increase in water and sewer bill. Maybe you can apologize and patch it up and get more rent. It must be a short term situation as no one likes to live like that for long And really one couple per bedroom is fine and a small child can sleep in the bedroom with parents. Unless they are creating a noise or other problem, I would work with them on this. --73.33.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Q [NE]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 7:27 AM
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Moesche... yes I already showed them the lease. What is the next step? Do I post an eviction notice on the door and put a for rent sign in the yard?

AllyM.... there will be no problem finding another tenant. We will have someone moving in the day these folks are moving out. It's a nice place and a great location.

Q-Out --70.198.xx.xx




What to do? (by cjl [NY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 7:28 AM
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Q - is there more to this story? Did you actually just walk up to the door, knock on it and say what you did or did you have a discussion about WHO the other people are, are they VISITING vs RESIDING, etc?

If you/your Dad seriously just walked up and said what you state you did - I would have been a little "smart" too.

I know many times we try to keep the posts short for convenience but sometimes in order to give a "good" answer/suggestion on something like this it's better to have more of the story. --69.201.xx.xxx




What to do? (by RathdrumGal [ID]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 7:35 AM
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Follow the legal process for your state. In my state, I would have to serve a 3 day Notice to Cure or Quit. This would give the tenant time to correct the situation. After everyone has calmed down, the other couple may just move on.

I know tenants can be infuriating, and no one likes to be lied to, or to have their lease provisions flagrantly ignored. However, it is usually wiser to keep emotion out of business. --98.145.xx.xxx




What to do? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 7:39 AM
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I don't see you being able to show it and rent it the day they move out,the current tenant isn't going to let you show it so you will be losing money on the turnover.I would have just spoken to them to find out what was going on and maybe charged a little more rent.You may have shown them who was boss but it is going to cost you --24.25.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Nicole [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 7:47 AM
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You handled this completely different than I would have.

You "showed" him the lease clause? TOTAL lack of respect. doesn't matter if you're right or wrong when dealing with tenants ... treating them with respect and keeping their dignity intact goes A LONG way in obtaining your desired results.

He said "I'll move" and you said "yes you will"? Again, disrespectful from you.

Yes, the tenant is also being "disrespectful" by not following the lease but you turning a situation adversarial isn't going to end well.

why would you put a for rent sign in the yard when you have someone ready to move in?

I don't know your state but you probably have to give them some type notice to "cure or quit". If they "cure" you now have turned decent tenants into tenants who will, in all probability, be confrontational going forward.

While many follow a lease to the letter, I make things work with good tenants. You could have sat down at their kitchen table and found out what is going on first and then worked out a solution with the tenant. that might have meant them moving out but it would be a much "gentler" scenario than this one will be. --72.95.xx.xx




What to do? (by Q [NE]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 7:48 AM
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Yes.... i was sparing the details.

My folks are elderly. My dad was fertilizing the lawn over there yesterday and he asked about the extra vehicle that's been parked there for the last month. The tenant said it is his brothers car and they are staying with them for a little while. My dad said, you can't do that without notifying us and that's when the tenant got smart with him. I went over today with the lease and talked to him. He said his brother and his wife have been living there for (awhile) and I said you are breaking the lease. You should have let my folks know when he moved in. I told him that his brother needs to move or he will be evicted according to the lease. He said he will move as well. I said, that sounds good.

My question is, what is the next step? Should I give the tenant 2 or 3 days to think about it and get his brother out of there or do I talk to my attorney and get the eviction going tomorrow. Like I stated in my original post, the tenant has been a good tenant til now. We would prefer he stays and his brother move. If he doesn't want to comply, then they all must go period.

Q-Out --70.198.xx.xx




What to do? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 7:53 AM
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Why are you so insistent that they move? just because the lease says they can't be there? if they aren't causing problems why do you care if they have a family member staying with them? you could have got more rent or at least be the good guy who helped them,now you are spending your parents money on an eviction that didn't have to happen --24.25.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Q [NE]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:06 AM
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It is a small 2 bedroom house. It is a nice place but is too small for 2 families. We do not want more rent, we want 1 family living there. We dont have properties where we shove as many people in as we can as long as they give us some extra money. I've seen other landlords do that. I could take pictures in this town where there are 4 or 5 or 6 cars parked in the driveway or on the street. No thanks. We will not have any problem renting it out if they move.

Q-Out --70.198.xx.xx




What to do? (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:08 AM
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Q, my guess this tenant will move on whether his brother moves out in the next

few day's or waits for you to file eviction. I don't think you can patch this one, and

maybe you don't want to. Everybody runs their business different.

In my state we would send a letter to cure the lease violation within 7 days and

then if the violation is being cured, all is good, and if not then I would file the

eviction.

Are they taking care of the property or destroying it?

Since it's his brother, I would have raised the rent 25 or 50, and give the brother time to look for a different home. --174.126.xx.xxx




What to do? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:11 AM
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I have a tenant in a building 3 years or so now. He moved in his girlfriend about a month after he moved in. I'm aware of it. She's not on the lease. No problems from them, no problem with me. --50.32.xx.xx




What to do? (by cjl [NY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:17 AM
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Are you sure they still want to stay? Obviously we are getting the one side and I've got to say that I THINK this is a bit of a hostile situation but could be wrong since I wasn't there to "feel" the situation - only going by your words on here.

I'm with Ken - it sounds like you (and/or your Dad) want them out (not only the brother but the current tenants as well). Not sure why - could have been handled much differently but hind site is always 20/20 - learn from here (both of you).

So bottom line here is to ask yourselves if the tenant would have come to you BEFORE the brother came and asked if it was ok - what would you have said/done at that time?

Is this because they didn't ask prior or the fact that you feel they are taking advantage of you? By the way - who is paying for the utilities (including water/sewer)? If it's the tenant then you are only "out" the potential of wear and tear.

If it's you/your Dad - then just ask them to pay the INCREASED amount of the water/sewer (and any other utility that is included in the rent).

Of course - that's only if ALL are on board. --69.201.xx.xxx




What to do? (by cjl [NY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:17 AM
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Are you sure they still want to stay? Obviously we are getting the one side and I've got to say that I THINK this is a bit of a hostile situation but could be wrong since I wasn't there to "feel" the situation - only going by your words on here.

I'm with Ken - it sounds like you (and/or your Dad) want them out (not only the brother but the current tenants as well). Not sure why - could have been handled much differently but hind site is always 20/20 - learn from here (both of you).

So bottom line here is to ask yourselves if the tenant would have come to you BEFORE the brother came and asked if it was ok - what would you have said/done at that time?

Is this because they didn't ask prior or the fact that you feel they are taking advantage of you? By the way - who is paying for the utilities (including water/sewer)? If it's the tenant then you are only "out" the potential of wear and tear.

If it's you/your Dad - then just ask them to pay the INCREASED amount of the water/sewer (and any other utility that is included in the rent).

Of course - that's only if ALL are on board. --69.201.xx.xxx




What to do? (by Blue [IL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:22 AM
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I'm with you and would not allow this.

Here I have to give a 10 day notice to cure. Then make it very clear if this happens again he is gone.

If they both need to find new housing that they can afford, so be it. --66.87.xx.x




What to do? (by Kyle [IN]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:23 AM
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If you want them out, get them to give you notice they are moving out. If they stay past the date on the notice, you can follow the legal procedures in your area for removing a holdover tenant.

If they won't sign a notice to vacate, start with a cure or quit notice.

I second Ken's question, why do you want them to move? You say they have been good tenants, so why not try to keep them? --68.38.xxx.xx




What to do? (by Jan [MO]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:42 AM
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I can't understand why most of you are giving Q such a hard time about this. I do not consider him showing tenant the lease disrespectful at all. I also don't consider his saying "yes you will" as disrespectful, either.

Q is just trying to get info on what his next steps are. Someone said follow the laws of his state, which is likely the best advice.

FYI - this is a small 2BR house. Most states say maximum occupancy is 2 people per bedroom. Another adult couple is now living in the house. With the child, that is more than 2 people per bedroom.

Q - if I were you, I'd want this tenant gone as soon as possible. Doesn't matter if brother and sister in law or girlfriend leave. Things have already soured significantly. I would not offer increased rent, I'd just get them out as soon as possible.

You may want to consider adding something in your lease that gives *consequences* for various breaches, including "unauthorized occupants". Not just language that says they aren't allowed. Charge a fee if unauthorized people are found living in the property.

Good luck. --68.184.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Robert,OntarioCanada [ON]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:45 AM
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Building and fire code regulations are being violated here. The house in not in a third world country. If there is fire then the house had more people living in then what the house was required to occupy. Would ask to correct or evict. Now as the vacancy goes down more problem tenants are finding more difficult to find another rental unit. That means they are moving in with friends or relatives. Explain to the tenants that are building and fire code rules. Those rules can violated for a owner occupied single family home not a rental home. --65.95.xx.xx




What to do? (by don [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:48 AM
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What Ken and Ally said. Just because you CAN do something does not mean you should do it. You say that you will not lose out because new tenants will move in immediately. No painting between? Everything in the house is perfect for the new tenants? I would bet that this turnover is gonna cost you money one way or another: legal fees, court costs, painting, loss of a month's rent. You do not have the temperament to be a landlord. --73.141.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Julie [KS]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:49 AM
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If you don't want either of them to continue tenancy & they are MTM, just give them notice.

Why the expense of eviction?? I assume you mean eviction as taking legal action to return the property to your possession. Unless they are behind in rent & you are seeking judgment as well as possession of the property. Even here in backwoods KS, an eviction from notice to cure to filing to set out is gonna take 30 days likely. Meaning you're still gonna be looking at the end of May (assuming notice goes from rent pay date to rent pay date which is generally the 1st of each month) before they will be out, whether the eviction route or just giving notice.

I'm black & white when it comes to my lease. But I also believe in "don't start none & there won't be none". Granted they are in violation of the lease with the extra "residents". But do they deserve an eviction on their credit for the next 7 years because you want to get in a pissing match with them?? Eh......karma can be a wicked mistress. --63.245.xxx.xx




What to do? (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 9:21 AM
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Answer : You already did. --71.13.xx.xxx




What to do? (by Q [NE]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 9:22 AM
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OK Boys and Girls. Let's all settle down now. :)

I was simply asking the question, what would you do? I did not mean to stir the poop pot with my question, nor was I asking if you think I should continue to be a landlord or not, I do okay if I do say so myself. :) That's what this forum is for...so we can help each other.

It sounds like many of you would turn a blind eye and ignore it. Others don't seem to if their places arenovernoccupied, as long as they are getting more money per head. And others are on board with me and require the tenant to follow the lease.

Please let me rephrase the question.

What would you do if you discovered a tenant has moved another family in to live with them in a small 2 bedroom, single family house without your knowledge?

I'm sure the anewers will be diverse, so give it some thought. I look forward to the answers.

Thank you all, I appreciate your input.

Q-Out --67.3.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 9:35 AM
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To answer your question, what would I do? Well, I don't really care about the 2 bedroom being "small" or not.

My lease states that there are to be no unauthorized occupants.

If I notice someone living there, I make a mental note of it. If they aren't causing any problems, I let it fly.

If the utilities are INCLUDED & the consumption spikes, I screen them and add them to the lease. (Typically a light screening for pertinent info, provided they have been good).

**from experience, I now make those new leases MTM incase the honeymoon ends and my good original tenant leaves and I get stuck with The Addams Family.

If the new tenant coming in starts causing problems, I will let the existing tenant know that the guests go or they all go. It's usually simple.

Q, it's a case by case thing. There's no cut and dry one size fits all answer for this.

--50.107.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Moshe [CA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 9:48 AM
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Yes, Q. You already showed them the lease Now what?

I suggest that bluffing & threats are a fools game, and I never do it. It generally doesn't pay off.

So, if your presentation of the lease and your threat were not a bluff, then the next step would be to proceed with the threatened eviction, wouldn't it?

Now, I'm a careful guy, trained in mathematics and details, so I would wonder if you have grounds for your threat. Sure, the lease that you drafted and he signed makes some demands on him about number of occupants. But, is it grounds for eviction in NE, including being a good reason plus being a material breach of the lease? Noncurable? including being written up adequately to conform to NE law?

Here in CA, for example, evictions go on in Superior Court, not Small Claims Court, so the proceedings are a little more formal and issues can become a little more intricate and a little more abstract. Is all this worth it, because of a few extra occupants?

So, as I suggested, I personally would make my next step to take my lease for a consultation with a competent attorney.

--47.139.xx.xxx




What to do? (by Ken [NY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 9:49 AM
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As long as they are not creating problems I would ignore it,if I pay a water bill I want more money to make up for that.Most tenants in my area simply would not even realize the lease says they can't do it and most aren't even smart enough to think about reading it or asking,they simply feel it is there unit and should be able to do as they want since they pay for it --24.25.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by OKHMBLDR [OK]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 10:10 AM
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It's time for him to go.

When he got smart with your dad he sealed his fate.

Post the five day notice, (or however many days required by your state). If he cures and moves the brother's family out then move on leaving him there.

If he doesn't, then file the eviction.

You are in charge, not the tenant. --68.12.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by RentsDue [MA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 10:13 AM
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Stick to your guns. You showed them the lease because they needed a visual. A lot of people seem to be forgetting rule #1 THE LANDLORD IS IN CHARGE. They broke the rules and then got sassy with your dad when he called them on it. You did not reward their bad behavior, so you rock! You didn't take it personally and start a fight, you made a business decision to protect the investment property. Two families living in a 2 bedroom are going to beat the heck out of that place. There is a reason for occupancy limits. You are 100% correct that if you do nothing the existing tenants can move out and leave you with these unknown tenants who may be a nightmare for you to get out. Sometimes you need to play offense so you aren't forced to play defense. --66.189.xx.xxx




What to do? (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 11:47 AM
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There's no problem until someone creates one.

A LL. could maybe (Tenants) this and maybe that,

all day long. (Creating Negative possibilities in their

own minds)

I 2nd NE.

Cross the (problem) Bridge if and when you get to it.

--71.13.xx.xxx




What to do? (by Dave [MO]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 12:10 PM
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Q, for me it would all depend on the size of the home, and the character of the tenant. And exact same scenario happened to me but the house was a 3 bedroom.

Mom called to inform me her son and his girlfriend moved in, parents are good tenants, so I raised the rent 50.00. And this was a 900sq. 3/1.

They have now moved to my larger 1200 sq. ft. 2/1 and we are all happy.

I like cash flow and good tenants more than I like vacancy's.

If they weren't desirable tenants, I would have sent a notice to cure or quit.

Your parents tenant should have called them but that didn't happen.

Now, in your case since you already told them they were going to move.

I would follow through with that decision.

I believe not only do we in real estate, but we invest in people.

And this board is like a buffet, take what you want and leave the rest.

Keep us informed. --174.126.xx.xxx




What to do? (by PGC [VA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 12:12 PM
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I'm with "Q".

It doesn't matter whether it is a sound financial strategy or not. I may be reading too much into it but it sounds like her parents are emotionally invested into the home and it is not just investment property. My wife and I have three homes like this. If someone is just looking for a place, they can get an apartment or house elsewhere. We get excited about making our home look nice and be comfortable, and we want whoever rents it to be as excited about it as we are. If a tennent got smart with my wife or one of my elderly parents, whether right, wrong or indifferent, I would have them out of my house as fast as I could even if my house set empty for a year. When your home is paid for, and you are emotionally invested in it, you really dont worry so much about the rent as you do other things.

Q...Go to your city court office and ask them how to go about an eviction. That way none of this will come back on you. Follow the courts rules. More than likely the tennents will have so many days to comply or be evicted. There is also a chance that tennent wife did not know about her husband getting smart with dad or threatening to leave. She may be able to get her husband to reconsider and force brother out. There is a more than strong chance she doesnt like brother either.

Anyways, once you give them the eviction, I would tell them that they have been great tennents other than this and you will be willing to give a satisfactory recommendation for future landlords...BUT if they do any damages to the home in their move out, you will post the damages and negative recommendation to every housing sight / credit agency you can think of.

Now a days with online rental screenings, many renters are more worried about previous landlord recomendations than anything else. As soon as one landlord says someone was trouble, no one will rent to them. I had one prospective tenant cry and beg me to rent them my home. She said everyone was turning her down. Her online rental check came back with 2000 dollars in damages. Who would be willing to rent to someone like that? If they want to stay in the same area, they will probably just move without anymore drama. --68.131.x.xxx




What to do? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 3:01 PM
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You put in writing the lease clause they are violating. My lease says they have five days to correct or move. What does your lease say? This would mean they would have five days to correct the problem or move. So they correct they stay. That is what you really want... The extra people gone. --66.87.xx.xxx




What to do? (by plenty [MO]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 3:03 PM
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You are managing your property correctly. Hopefully someone from your stare will come along with specifics on your state laws. --66.87.xx.xxx




What to do? (by Robin [WI]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 4:01 PM
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Several previous posters are addressing the question of whether you should let the extra people stay as tenants. You've already determined that letting them stay is unacceptable. You have a couple of options for getting them out.

1) Collaborative. "Joe, it sure is nice of you to help your brother out. But your lease was only for three people, and this house just isn't big enough for all of you. How long do you need for Bob to find his own place? Great. Sign this agreement that you'll do that, and I'll check back on that date to make sure we're square."

2) Confrontational. "Joe, you're breaking the lease. Get him out or I'll file an eviction."

It sounds like you've already taken approach #2. At this point you could try to be conciliatory (but still firm). I find you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I do think you're right to stick to your guns. If you put terms in your lease, you need to be willing to enforce them. Don't say it unless you mean it! --204.210.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Q [NE]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 5:37 PM
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Thanks Robin. Best advice I've heard.

Q. --70.198.xx.xxx




What to do? (by Robert J [CA]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 8:36 PM
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With over 100 rentals and 35+ years in the business, I've learned a thing about negotiations. You never want to give a tenant ONE CHOICE! I give them options. I let them make the final decision weather I have to evict or not. I almost never say, "do this or else I will evict". Then you leave them no choice!

I would have made a copy of the lease and used yellow hi-lighting to make the "Occupancy Clauses" in the lease stand out.

I would given the tenants a copy of the lease and said, "I wanted to make you aware that there is a violation of the terms of your lease"!

I would ask them if their friends plan to say on or are just visiting?

I would have the informed them that with each additional occupant, the Lease provides an additional 10% in rent. With three guests staying more than 15 days in a calendar years time -- I can raise the rent by 30%.

I would then ask how much extra can you, and your guests, afford? Now this is where things get harry. Tenants often say," I'm not going to pay you one extra dime in rents".

After that's been said, I'd have them with a notice to increase their rent. My notice would provide I could still collect the next rent at the old rate, but the new rent, due after the 30 day period, would have to be as stated in my demand/notice. (This has to be worded legally for your location/city/state.).

So I'm not the bad buy. I didn't make them move, I didn't demand higher rent for no reason. They have extra people living in the property. Either those people go or they pay a higher rent. If they can't do one of those two things, I will then evict for non-payment of rent -- the new rent. --47.156.xx.xxx




What to do? (by Rocking Bear [FL]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 9:32 PM
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Serve a cure or quit and proceed as needed, of course this means follow the law of your state, good luck.

--71.55.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Janet [KY]) Posted on: Apr 9, 2017 9:52 PM
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I totally agree with what RentsDue said. You are in charge not the tenant and you did what you needed to due

when they got smart with your dad. When they were called out on breaking the rules of the lease they should of

asked could they pay more money and let their family stay

or been apologizing for breaking the lease. Instead they

took offense for you reminding them of the agreement they signed. Like how dare you make me actually do what is in that lease.

This is what makes me so mad. People do not stand behind their name any more. They carelessly sign papers agreeing to anything and then don't do what they have agreed to do. I would get my attorney to send a notice that they broke the lease and are to move out. They will not be good tenants now that things have gone bad between them and the LL. --74.236.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Blue [IL]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2017 10:25 AM
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I would, and have, do what I said: notice to cure that is required by your state.

In my case, T had brother move in. He was sleeping in the laundry room! Bed in there and everything.

I talked with my T, he said brother is down on his luck, divorce, etc. I said, "Do you want to lose the roof over your family's head for the sake of helping your brother?" Well I guess he had not thought about it quite that way.....

--75.132.xxx.xx




What to do? (by BRAD 20,000 [IN]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2017 10:09 PM
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Q,

Wanna be right or rich?

My lease is clear on length of guest stays and how to add occupants.

I learned long ago that terse words with a resident only make matter worse.

I'm not worried about their attitude at a single encounter, esp with someone who is not their LL. EVERY TIME we back a res into a corner they MUST bark back. It's their only defense. Jeffrey's talk was about the Man in the Mirror. You triggered the bark back so step out of this. If I rented from your Dad and you showed up barking order, I'd fire back too.

I suggest your Dad talk to them. 4 adults in a 2 bedroom is not too many, esp when they get along.

Me? Dad visits, calms the waters, gives them an application for the extra adults, and screens. If things check out, add them to the lease, keep the rent flowing, and go to dinner.

At National Convention a few years ago I spoke on what "The LL is always right" REALLY means. It's NOT about being bossy. It's about staying in CONTROL for the best result FOR ME. Arguments and move outs? *I* lose time, money, and FREEDOM!!!

If I can compromise without losing time, money, or any of my FREEDOM!!!, and it's in MY best interest, I do it, EVEN IF it looks like I'm rewarding the resident's behavior.

I make waay more money with this policy AND have much less stress.

Enjoy and nice tall glass of iced tea and remember the main goal of income.

BRAD

--73.146.xxx.xxx




What to do? (by Chris [CA]) Posted on: Apr 10, 2017 10:23 PM
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Q, please re-read Mosche's post. Showing your tenants the lease was NOT what he asked you to do.

I've done knee-jerk reactions, terminating contracts over silly stuff like old oil in buckets in the yard. Yep, these Marines moved. And the "thank you" was them leaving a hot iron in the middle of the large living room carpet.

It took months to find new tenants and it cost thousands to renovate.

Can you charge more? Screen and add the guy if he passes? They will not want to move either. Moving costs more than time. A new SD, application fees, all that hassle with utilities... If they< are all working, they should rather pay more and sin no more

--46.5.xx.xx




What to do? (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Apr 11, 2017 6:25 AM
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Whether to post eviction notice on their door is a question that can only be answered by someone familiar with NE landlord tenant law.

If they are month to month, then non renew. If their lease will be up within 90 days, non renew.

Be professional, be knowledgeable. --72.172.xxx.xx




What to do? (by bud [MO]) Posted on: Apr 11, 2017 6:09 PM
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This sounds like when George W. Bush started the Iraq war because someone tried to kill his old man. --184.7.xx.xxx




What to do? (by Q [NE]) Posted on: Apr 11, 2017 6:19 PM
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Tenant texted me today and said he wants to stay and is looking for a place for his brother. He asked for a few weeks and I said that'll be fine.

Q-Out --174.219.xxx.xx





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