R I P (by rentON [PA]) Apr 3, 2017 9:38 AM|
R I P (by Frank [NJ]) Apr 3, 2017 9:45 AM
R I P (by NE [PA]) Apr 3, 2017 10:18 AM
R I P (by Steve [TN]) Apr 3, 2017 10:19 AM
R I P (by Richard [MI]) Apr 3, 2017 10:37 AM
R I P (by Frank [NJ]) Apr 3, 2017 11:46 AM
R I P (by NE [PA]) Apr 3, 2017 11:49 AM
R I P (by RB [MI]) Apr 3, 2017 11:57 AM
R I P (by S i d [MO]) Apr 3, 2017 12:40 PM
R I P (by Sisco [MO]) Apr 3, 2017 1:13 PM
R I P (by WMH [NC]) Apr 3, 2017 1:35 PM
R I P (by Opinionated [NC]) Apr 3, 2017 1:36 PM
R I P (by Frank [NJ]) Apr 3, 2017 1:51 PM
R I P (by Steve [TN]) Apr 3, 2017 2:16 PM
R I P (by Beth [WI]) Apr 3, 2017 2:51 PM
R I P (by NE [PA]) Apr 3, 2017 3:12 PM
R I P (by don [PA]) Apr 3, 2017 3:38 PM
R I P (by Sue [MI]) Apr 3, 2017 3:41 PM
R I P (by Steve [MA]) Apr 3, 2017 3:50 PM
R I P (by Bill [NC]) Apr 3, 2017 3:50 PM
R I P (by cjo'h [CT]) Apr 3, 2017 4:50 PM
R I P (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Apr 3, 2017 5:24 PM
R I P (by #22 [MO]) Apr 3, 2017 6:17 PM
R I P (by AL [NC]) Apr 3, 2017 8:01 PM
R I P (by Janet [KY]) Apr 3, 2017 8:38 PM
R I P (by Dave LA [CA]) Apr 4, 2017 12:16 AM
R I P (by S i d [MO]) Apr 4, 2017 6:09 AM
R I P (by Wilma [PA]) Apr 4, 2017 11:38 AM
R I P (by Sisco [MO]) Apr 4, 2017 2:26 PM
R I P (by Chris [CT]) Apr 4, 2017 2:37 PM
R I P (by Chris [CT]) Apr 4, 2017 2:40 PM
R I P (by cjo'h [CT]) Apr 4, 2017 4:52 PM
R I P (by cjo'h [CT]) Apr 4, 2017 5:03 PM
R I P (by rentON [PA]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 9:38 AM
To early to tell, but the opioid crisis may have claimed another life. This would be 2 Tenants that have passed in the last 6 months.
When is it going to stop???
R I P (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 9:45 AM
when SOMEHOW the supply of the illegal opiod drugs is stopped.
WHERE IS THIS TUFF COMING FROM? --71.172.xx.xxx
R I P (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 10:18 AM
Just had a friend from high school die this weekend from it. Left behind her 4 year old kid. --50.32.xx.xx
R I P (by Steve [TN]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 10:19 AM
Legal opiates used to excess or illegal, the problem isn't the drug. The problem is the drug addict. I personally don't have a problem with drug overdoses taking the life of addicts. And, yes, this has touched my immediate family. It has left one dead and one doing life in prison without parole in two separate incidents. --68.156.xx.xx
R I P (by Richard [MI]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 10:37 AM
It will stop when people put the suppliers in the ground.
There have been several need articles lately about the manufacturers, doctors, pharmacies,etc. who provide this endless supply. They do it for the money, plain and simple. Pure greed. Some politicians take money from them all to keep the supply moving. They are like roaches,all of them and it's always the same. Step in one and two are right there willing to take their place. That's why we will never be did of drugs and other vices. All you can do is keep stepping.
It is not reasonable to expect change to any large degree. I remember when I was young, if parents or society told you not to do something, you immediately wanted to do it twice. Smoking, drinking, pot, and more.
That's one thing--the rebeliousness of youth.
This opioid thing is something else, imho. It is deliberate by those who are profiting. Use to be, when you got hurt or had an operation, you took tylenol, aspirin or advil. Then came the oxy's because they "worked better". The manufacturers knew they were addictive. They knew. They didn't care. Everybody joined the party. Now, even little old grandma's around here get their monthly plus for pain then sell them for casino money. It's sickning.
I personally don't think there is a solution as long as people want easy money. --23.121.xx.xxx
R I P (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 11:46 AM
HOO BOY.....Steve[TN] - I'm with you but I was just being too PC to not say it. Kinda like the gun issue. The G
UN hilled somebody....the SUV was out control and crossed the median.
I do know a Pain Mgmnt Dr. who tells us the tales of how nutz it is. He's one of the good guys and detests what he sees. --71.172.xx.xxx
R I P (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 11:49 AM
Frank & Steve, I agree with both of you. I really have mixed feelings about even going to this person's viewing. Heroin overdose is a progression as in the overdoses are a long time in the making. I have a tough time feeling bad for them. Some people never get out of it. --50.32.xx.xx
R I P (by RB [MI]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 11:57 AM
Kinda like Wrestling with Alligators. --71.13.xx.xxx
R I P (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 12:40 PM
Funerals are for the living, not the dead. I try to keep in mind the folks who are left to deal with the mess left behind when someone dies like this. Normal grief is bad enough: to deal with the infamy, shame, and burden of wondering "what might I have done to save this person..." Much worse. Lead with grace.
Richard hit the nail on the head regarding the "Why": people looking for easy money. There is nothing new under the sun. Love your children well, monitor their friends and online activity. Don't be afraid to piss them off because you love them too much to let them get involved with this stuff. --173.19.xx.xxx
R I P (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 1:13 PM
I am 100% in support of law enforcement. That said, laws against drug peddling and drug use isn't working.
I believe that the problem is our Godless culture. --72.172.xxx.xx
R I P (by WMH [NC]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 1:35 PM
Pain was added as the fifth "vital sign" in 1999 by the VA. Doctors and nurses were instructed to ask how much it hurt on a scale of one to ten, and treat accordingly as it was believed that managing pain made the patient heal faster...
As with all things mandated by the government, it has failed miserably. --173.22.xx.xx
R I P (by Opinionated [NC]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 1:36 PM
In one of my meaner moments years ago, I proposed that law enforcement announce that they are putting some poisoned dope on the streets and then actually doing so. The thought was that a few deaths would deter people from using. How wrong I was.
But are we responsible for protecting others from the consequences of their own foolishness? If they are our minor children, yes. Otherwise, no. --66.44.xxx.xxx
R I P (by Frank [NJ]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 1:51 PM
yes, the gov't has made themselves responsible for those who choose that life....witness the explosion of the narcan pens carried by law enforcement.
Well thats job security for them.
I suppose. These folks will be back again the [addicts] so the medic and first responders have another run for the day.
Could the gene that makes them self destructive be a form of Darwinism? --71.172.xx.xxx
R I P (by Steve [TN]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 2:16 PM
Sorry Richard, I don't buy this statement: "Use to be, when you got hurt or had an operation, you took tylenol, aspirin or advil."
I was around in the "use to be". When I was 18 in 1978, I was given a huge bottle of Percodan when I had wisdom teeth pulled. Nobody that had surgery or had a broken bone was simply told to take Tylenol. Advil didn't exist yet. You got codene cough syrup paregoric for the runs.
What has changed is that now everybody who gets a boo boo can be declared "disabled" and can't work. They might legitimately need some strong pain relief for a week or so. But now, there is no reason butch up and go back to work.
SSI will pay your bills. Just sit around bored. No reason to do exercise/therapy/tough it out to get over the pain. Just sit around and pop oxy. Now, the regulators should have run the pill mills out of business long ago. Those are just evil greed, I agree. But other than that, I see no conspiracy. Just bored people drawing govt benefits getting high until their habit is way out of control. Death soon follows. B'bye! --68.156.xx.xx
R I P (by Beth [WI]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 2:51 PM
5 years ago I don't believe that I was aware of anyone who had a relative or friend die of a heroin overdose. Perhaps people were uncomfortable talking about it then. It certainly has been in the news quite a bit recently. Definitely the number dying in Madison, WI has been increasing each year. I now know several people that had a relative, friend, or know of someone who has died of a heroin overdose.
I find it scary. There will be more crime, more cost to society, more early deaths.
Two and a half years ago I had ankle surgery. When I left the hospital, I was given a prescription for 120 Vicodan pills. That was a 10 day supply if I took 2 pills every 4 hours. I weaned off the pills quite quickly. At my check-up at 2 weeks: "Need any more pain pills?" (No, as I had at least half if not 2/3 of them left). This question was asked AFTER they asked about my pain (basically no pain). The same thing happened at 6 weeks as well. No issue from the doctor about giving me more pain pills if I wanted them. They should not be offering me another prescription for pain pills when I am not having pain! --66.190.xx.xx
R I P (by NE [PA]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 3:12 PM
I feel more sympathy for ones who had no rehab or AA or intervention of any kind. The ones that go through multiple rehabs and get nothing out of it and burn all their bridges, I don't feel bad for them.
I did a one person intervention on my brother about 7 years ago and he's been straight since. His sobriety is his doing, not mine.
The problem is, addicts are never out of the woods. --50.32.xx.xx
R I P (by don [PA]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 3:38 PM
It disgusts me when the families portray the junkie that OD'ed as a great and heroic figure, as in obits that claim "he lost his long and gallant battle with the horrible disease of addiction." --73.141.xxx.xxx
R I P (by Sue [MI]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 3:41 PM
In a lot of cases it starts with docs over-prescribing opioids and then when people get hooked they want to cut them off. Heroin is cheaper and easier to get than prescription opioids so people turn to that. It's ridiculous how easy it is to get. On one hand I don't feel sorry for people who OD because geez, a lot of these people are idiots but I do feel bad for people in legitimate pain who the docs just hand out Oxy to like candy and then they get hooked. --97.95.xxx.xx
R I P (by Steve [MA]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 3:50 PM
Last year there was a story in the local paper about someone who was revived twice on the same day with Narcan. Then died the following week from an overdose. Talking with one of the cops I learned that he had been revived several other times.
R I P (by Bill [NC]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 3:50 PM
Google how drug dealers are given justice in the Ukraine --184.2.xxx.xxx
R I P (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 4:50 PM
NE, go to the wake.Its not their fault!The ones giving out these medications didn't think or know they were so addicting.Just like alcohol.And people are different,what will bother one person ,won't have any affect on someone else.They'll have to legalize a lot of this stuff,just what they did with booze away back in this country years ago.The Cities and towns and States are crying out for money. Legalize and tax.Will not end it ,but may help curtail it a little. .......Charlie.................as long as there is demand,you'll have the sleaseballs trying to make money. --174.199.xx.xx
R I P (by Ray-N-Pa [PA]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 5:24 PM
Have a brother who is a suit in a hospital in Chicago. He is telling me that doctors reimbursement can be as high as 30% based on customer satisfaction.
So if the customer is in pain, you give them lots and lots of pain meds - which sadly may end up in the wrong persons hands. Meds are expense but heroin is cheap --24.239.xx.xxx
R I P (by #22 [MO]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 6:17 PM
It's real simple. Make weed legal...now in mexico they grow poppy because there's no money in weed. welcome the heroin epidemic. --173.26.xx.xxx
R I P (by AL [NC]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 8:01 PM
Agreed, there is nothing new under the sun. However, how they are treating the epidemic is novel. When the same ills were ravaging the minority communities, people were written off and sent to prison without a second thought. No narcan given to revive those guys. Now that it's affecting other societies , the many provisions and an acceptance are unending. No jail time if busted. Instead there are lengthy, state sponsored treatment programs. If in your moment of clarity, you decide to take your stash to the police department and declare all your misgivings, they will honor you for your decision and direct you to a half way house. All the while the other communities are still being hauled off to jail and given lengthy prison sentences. Wishing for equal treatment for all addicted persons. --108.64.xxx.xx
R I P (by Janet [KY]) Posted on: Apr 3, 2017 8:38 PM
A friend of the family is dying of cancer and in
horrible pain. Her oldest daughter is a opiod drug
addict. All she thinks of is herself. She even went
to her mother's house while the care taker ran an errand and stole her mothers entire bottle of pain med's.
It is a sad situation to see what these drugs do to people.
R I P (by Dave LA [CA]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2017 12:16 AM
I hear a lot of rocks being thrown around this thread. What did Jesus say about rock throwing? Billy Joel?
And I'm an atheist. --99.99.xx.xxx
R I P (by S i d [MO]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2017 6:09 AM
I've read the Bible cover to cover, and Jesus never said you should throw rocks, and Billy Joel was soundly against it as well in 2 Hesitations Chapter 4. (wink)
Okay, joking aside, I don't think many people here are throwing rocks. Are we venting some frustrations with how opiods have become a problem in our society: yes...that's what I'm hearing at least.
Are we a godless society? No more so than the Canaanites who sacrificed children to Molech. Nothing new under the sun. I don't think God's goal was to create utopia in America, though a lot of folks seems to think that if we just passed enough laws and got prayer back "in the schools" then everything would be hunky dory. Side note: when did it ever leave?...my kids pray to themselves and with friends all the time...was it when the old school Marm got told she could lead corporate prayer from the front of the room? And which prayers: protestant, Catholic, Muslim, etc. Govt mandated prayer in school can take many forms...not all of which would be pleasing to me.
Should we legalize weed? I don't know. Seems like that's where a lot of folks begin, then when that high isn't good enough any more they go elsewhere. It's like extreme sports...once you conquer challenge 1...time to go on to the next level. "Level up" is a buzz phrase how for just such a way of living. That said, we now have some grand experiments among us to test. Let's watch Colorado for a few more years before we go 100% nation-wide. I honestly don't think it's the drug per se, but the reason behind WHY the person starts to take the drug in the first place. End the WHY, end the addiction before it begins.
I pray for the families and friends of those who lose someone to this. There lies someone's precious child, now cold and dead. He/She was dear to someone's heart, and now there is not much comforting to take away the hurt. Does this cause some folks try to make heroes out of them? Maybe...I'm not too worried if they do. Maybe this is a way of dealing with grief. I'd rather they turn someone into a "hero" than turn to the same substances that killed their loved one. --173.19.xx.xxx
R I P (by Wilma [PA]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2017 11:38 AM
Our county's lower end, near Philadelphia, is awash in heroin. Last year, 90 addicted babies were born in just one hospital.
I've wondered about just how many times someone will be "saved" with Narcan, only to go on to OD again and again, and finally die. Narcan is horrendously expensive. Better to give the Narcan once, and then require that the addict go into detox - it may even cause the state to break even if the detox is in-county and mandatory, a lock-in kind of thing. I'd rather see taxpayers dollars spent in that way.
As it is, they are simply given the Narcan again and again, and the taxpayers have to support the cost of the meds, the addicts, and their addicted helpless babies.
R I P (by Sisco [MO]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2017 2:26 PM
Sid wrote - "Are we a godless society? No more so than the Canaanites who sacrificed children to Molech. Nothing new under the sun. I don't think God's goal was to create utopia in America, though a lot of folks seems to think that if we just passed enough laws and got prayer back "in the schools" then everything would be hunky dory. "
I think that your example of Canaanites teaches us that apart from God, (The God of Abraham, Isaac, &Jacob) that we will sacrifice our children to whatever idol the world has set up. Nothing new under the sun. Idols now seem to be political correctness, & moral relativism. --72.172.xxx.xx
R I P (by Chris [CT]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2017 2:37 PM
I don't want to sound callous but I don't care, people have to make their own choices than live with those choices. These are perfectly healthy people who chose to kill themselves. Do you know how many people are stuck with horrible illness that they did nothing to contract that would give anything for a body that functioned like the one these drug addicts are ruining?
The Philippines has it right, shoot em.
I have two cousins that are on heroin/pills. Their is no solution they are very sick people who are best to just avoid.
If you want to offer sympathy offer it to the families they damage.
R I P (by Chris [CT]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2017 2:40 PM
Wilma I know a number of ER docs, Narcan is in short supply now because the cops can administer it...and they waste it.
But my ER buddies will see the same heroin user come in 2-3 times a night, they shoot them up with Narcan and they head right back out to do some more.
They are a drain on the system after the first time they should just let them expire.
R I P (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2017 4:52 PM
Sid,Grew up in Northern Ireland, never was one much for reading the Bible,never even saw one, spent a lot of money on comic books,even though we were supposed to be poor.No one told us we we're either.Never smoked ,seemed like a lot of wasted effort.Big billboards advertising Guinness, "Guinness is good for you".Tasted it,too bitter for my sense of taste.So left it for someone else to be healthy. I kick into the Belfast Telegraph to get caught up with the happenings over there.Seventy eight people died so far this year from opiate abuse.So it's not just here,even with all the rocks being thrown, Someone will come up with an answer,once you take the profit out of the equation..........Charlie..................................................... --174.199.xx.xx
R I P (by cjo'h [CT]) Posted on: Apr 4, 2017 5:03 PM
Chris, sorry about your cousins families.It happens.......................Charlie....................... --174.199.xx.xx