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Heater diagnosis question (by AllyM [NJ]) Oct 19, 2020 7:00 PM
       (by Vee [OH]) Oct 19, 2020 7:33 PM
       (by Steve [MA]) Oct 19, 2020 7:42 PM
       (by Lynn [MA]) Oct 19, 2020 8:14 PM
       (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 19, 2020 8:39 PM
       (by myob [GA]) Oct 20, 2020 8:41 AM
       (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 20, 2020 5:15 PM
       (by myob [GA]) Oct 21, 2020 10:25 AM
       (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 21, 2020 7:38 PM
       (by Vee [OH]) Oct 21, 2020 9:44 PM

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Heater diagnosis question (by AllyM [NJ]) Oct 19, 2020 7:00 PM
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Had some hot air heaters checked for winter. Tech used a meter with a probe that goes into the chimney tube and reads the level of CO. Two were fine and one was bad. It's one I want to replace anyway since it's 12 years old and it's twin caught fire last year inside. It was caught in time and shut down and replaced.

What does this CO reading tell them? i suspect the burners are dirty and need to be cleaned as they probably have an orange flame. Or is it due to some valve inside releasing the wrong amount of gas to burn or oxygen? What would you do in this case?

I have never had a tech use this piece of equipment. Inspections always involved looking and making the heater work and making the fail safe mechanisms work. --71.104.xx.xxx




Heater diagnosis question (by Vee [OH]) Oct 19, 2020 7:33 PM
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It shows the fuel - air mixture as the unit is running, the ratio can be wrong as long as the fumes go outdoors thru a exhaust system. What matters is when the CO value measured in the plenum or house side is high - typically the heat exchanger needs to be sealed or replaced and that can become expensive or replace if you have old unsteady controls for the flames. --76.188.xxx.xxx




Heater diagnosis question (by Steve [MA]) Oct 19, 2020 7:42 PM
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A probe that detects CO can help the technician know if the exhaust gas is being properly removed from the furnace or boiler. It can also give an indication of whether or not the flame is burning at the proper rate & efficiency. High CO readings can indicate incomplete combustion, a blocked flue or an exhaust fan that is not running properly.

Do you know if your furnace exhaust is remove by draft or by a fan? Have any "energy controls" such as a damper that closes the exhaust stack when the furnace is not running? been added to your furnace? --71.174.xxx.xx




Heater diagnosis question (by Lynn [MA]) Oct 19, 2020 8:14 PM
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It may indicate that you may have a cracked heat exchanger --66.30.xx.xx




Heater diagnosis question (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 19, 2020 8:39 PM
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This heater exhausts through a chimney and there is no fan involved. The probe was placed on the chimney side of the heater so there is no CO coming into the house. Heat exchanger is fine since no CO is coming into the basement or house side of the heater. Flue is lined with stainless steel last fall. So I guess incomplete combustion due to bad mix of oxygen? Thank you for all who replied. Company owner is coming tomorrow to talk heater purchase. Same guy who installed a previous set of heaters in 1994 when I started working on the buildings. I could never find him again as he sold the business under his name but here he is again with a new business name. He is supposed to be the best in town so we will see. --71.104.xx.xxx




Heater diagnosis question (by myob [GA]) Oct 20, 2020 8:41 AM
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Allym from what you describe and have knowledge of is CO2 inside is within levels.

My gas furnaces have -- on the flame rails --- adjusters to mix air and gas. The gas is sent into the gas bar and draws air into the rail to mix with the gas. On the air inlet side of the bar you should see adjusters that allow more or less air to mix. The adjuster is opened or closed as you watch the flame on the bar. Should be BLUE flame with nice tips. The flame should be just staying on the bar.

A brush down of the burn rail or if you have the skill-- remove the rail- tap on ground to get any trash out of burners-- and reinstall. Adjust air / gas bar. --99.103.xxx.xxx




Heater diagnosis question (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 20, 2020 5:15 PM
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Well thank you myob but I can't do any of that. My eyesight is not that good. So here's what happened today. Got the heater company out to give me an estimate on a new heater.

First thing the guy looks at the flue and wonders if it's any good and it has stainless steel liner. Then he says it might not be large enough. Well I have a permit sticker on there that says it is because it's been inspected.

It's 40,000 BTU and 80 percent. So he sells Carrier and they don't have that size. They have it only in an larger size. He offers me Payne or Goodman! I say no thank you and while he is writing up some paper work I go call two more companies. One has only Goodman and Coleman in that size so I say No Thank you. I learned here that Goodman is not that good and I didn't know the camp stove people made heaters. Nobody would have parts for that.

The other company, very good and in Princeton so not as close as I would like but they have a Trane in the size I need. The one I am replacing is a Trane. So their salesman will come on Thursday and I have to be at three other properties but they are only blocks apart so I can do it.

So the "green" people are getting ahead of us with furnaces. Carrier has caved into them by not having the smaller furnace and 80 percent. I don't like Carrier anyway as their oil fired furnace had a plastic Impeller in there and when it got colder and the oil got thicker it would not flow. I replaced that piece of junk. That had me out in frigid nights three times over a Thanksgiving.

So I won. I didn't cave and I knew what I wanted. Thanks to reading here and great advice from folks like you. --71.104.xx.xxx




Heater diagnosis question (by myob [GA]) Oct 21, 2020 10:25 AM
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I didn't know it was an oil type. When we lived in NY that's what we had. Huge tank (500 gal). my job was to pack the grease into the bearing port. Other than that not much to do.

We now have 63 Goodman HVAC systems. They are easy to work on and since there all the same== we can stock standard parts-- ignitor, flame sensor, exhaust gas fan assy.

I'm curious about the Flu? I have an 80% and use 4 inch flu's?

How big a pipe he want? He's upselling and price gouging.

--99.103.xxx.xxx




Heater diagnosis question (by Allym [NJ]) Oct 21, 2020 7:38 PM
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Yes, I have two, four to five inch flues with stainless steel liner. They are gas hot air heaters, one for each floor and the floor space is about 650-700 square feet depending on upstairs or down.

The owner called me tonight and is going to send me an estimate for an 80 40K BTU Trane unit. The dumb guy yesterday who tried to upsell me did not even know they actually could sell me a Trane. He tried to call the owner and could not get him on the phone. So I said good bye to him. His shop is closer and he says he has a plumber working for him. But I am having trouble getting past the dumb guy who tried to upsell me. He is the installation foreman too.

--71.104.xx.xxx




Heater diagnosis question (by Vee [OH]) Oct 21, 2020 9:44 PM
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The Payne is made at the Carrier factory but it gets grey paint before the box, Carrier get green. --75.185.xx.xxx



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